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Oct 11, 2017 18:52:48   #
badbob85037
 
Mr Shako wrote:
To be honest, you can call me a "conspiracy nut" all you want, (it doesn't bother me one bit) but I believe a lot of Ziggy88's post is right on in that it raises a helluva lot of questions that I've been thinking about since the massacre at the Mandalay occurred. Already you have the officials at MGM Grand disputing the Sheriff's timeline. What's next? Personally, I do not trust anyone from the US Gov't to be telling us the truth.


You would have to be a pretty dim bulb to believe any government. One thing for sure a lot of people died. Unless compared to the number murdered by governments then it ain't even a drop in the bucket

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Oct 11, 2017 19:06:03   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Mr Shako wrote:
To be honest, you can call me a "conspiracy nut" all you want, (it doesn't bother me one bit) but I believe a lot of Ziggy88's post is right on in that it raises a helluva lot of questions that I've been thinking about since the massacre at the Mandalay occurred. Already you have the officials at MGM Grand disputing the Sheriff's timeline. What's next? Personally, I do not trust anyone from the US Gov't to be telling us the truth.
Sheriffs are county LE officials elected by the people, they are not part of the US government. In most cases, the Sheriff of a county and his deputies are home boys. In my neck of the woods, the Sheriff and ALL his deputies come from local families, their parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins and kids all live here. And, I do live in Nevada.

In a massacre such as the one in Vegas, there will be many unanswered questions for some time to come. Some may never be answered, but that is no reason to start inventing answers out of whole cloth just because you are distrustful of authorities and are irrationally impatient for some rational explanation.

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Oct 11, 2017 23:26:08   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
padremike wrote:
Sound reverberating amongst tall buildings and echoing might cause a bit of confusion.


People being knocked over like ten pins in different directions woud tend to reinforce that impression.

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Oct 12, 2017 01:00:20   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
pafret wrote:
I would agree with you but the rapidity with which it was declared to be a single shooter, in contradiction to the reports of the people actually being fired on make me skeptical of the official version. Most of those people were untrained in combat but there were some who were combat savy. If I had to choose, would I trust our government, which has never lied to us, or some scared s**tless guy, who was doing the duck and cover for shots coming from what he thought were different directions?


Police officers and Military from San Diego stated they thought it was firecrackers or something similar at first. No matter how much gunfire you have witnessed it doesn't sound the same in this situation. The brain doesn't perceive it or process it as such because it seems so incongruous with reality. There are sensors on buildings in most big cities that triangulate where gunfire come from.

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Oct 12, 2017 08:03:40   #
Betta
 
ziggy88 wrote:
Information compiled by Pastor Gary Boyd

I never go for conspiracy theories. That said, I've watched almost all the videos from the shooting and in multiple videos multiple shooters are obvious. You can clearly hear separate shot patterns happening at the same time, and you can also hear multiple shots in the distance, and shots being fired very close to the person shooting the video. There are also multiple reports from witnesses of multiple shooters chasing them continuing to fire rounds into the fleeing crowds. In one video the person being interviewed by a reporter was getting angry because the reporter kept cutting her off saying "no, there was only one shooter" even though the person kept saying, "We saw multiple shooters"

It sure did sound like two shooters from that cab driver video . One shooter was far away . Then you hear a shooter closer by . The driver's video did show it looked as if the shooter was on a lower floor . Some say it's a strobe light . I don't think so . Every time you heard the shooting , you can see the gun firing . Maybe they're keeping it quiet for a reason .

I have a video that Facebook keeps taking down it shows a shooter on the ground walk away from the stage and start shooting with an automatic rifle I believe this is shortly after the group ran off the stage and then also shows pictures of panel box dead body with his head laying in a pool of blood and shell casings laying on top of the blood not in the blood and not under the blood clean shiny shell casings laying on top of the blood, it is said that he is an FBI informant and that was an arms deal that went horribly wrong and the gun buyers murdered Paddock and they are the ones that planned the massacre in about of rage and that's why the FBI took 59 minutes to get up on the 32nd Floor I believe it's to give the gun buyers time to get out of there, so where the hell is the video footage of the security system in that multibillion-dollar casino hotel who's surveillance has got to be very intense oh if you want to see that video? Tell me how to download it or upload it to your site because I'm new to YouTube and I can't figure it out.

Gio Rios

As the official narrative surrounding the deadliest mass shooting in American history continues to unravel, multiple eyewitness accounts are starting to trickle in, with the latest being an extremely shocking and detailed account of an operation that included up to five different shooters targeting multiple hotels in Las Vegas.
Facebook user and eyewitness Gio Rios has sent shockwaves throughout the internet after he not only confirmed he was present during the attack, he presented a variety of details that are unpublished or have been denied by authorities and the mainstream media.
“There was more than one shooter, I believe there were 4-5 shooters and I saw/heard 4 of them,” Rios claimed. “There was one of their men down in the concert who lit firecrackers either to distract people…. or to decoy the Mandalay Bay shooter breaking the windows out of the hotel without being noticed right away.”
That’s right, we now have another eyewitness publicly speaking about multiple shooters just as police originally stated (on the scanners). Keep in mind that other proof of some sort of false flag operation has also been revealed, including automatic gunfire heard at ground level.
“The first shooter was at the Mandalay Bay, then MGM Grand, and Excalibur/New York New York and Tropicana,” continued Rios. “These are confirmed by me personally and I believe that the shooter from Mandalay was shooting an LMG.”
Rios then goes on to provide what has to be the most detailed account of what may have happened to date, starting out by again noting that firecrackers were lit first in some sort of move to distract concert goers before the actual shooting began. He sadly details the horrific death all around him as he ran with his girlfriend to get out of harms way, noticing many people shot including a women with her head blown off.
“We then proceeded to an alleyway by the parking structure and saw muzzle flashes coming from the Excalibur and New York New York,” Rios revealed. Obviously if this is true it completely destroys the official story and paints a picture of a multiple person team using various hotels to attack concert goers from multiple angles.
Rios concludes by saying, “Las Vegas can’t afford to have people scared to travel to the strip that’s the main entertainment in Nevada, think about it. Why would they scare everyone and confess that there were multiple shooters when they have no clue who the active shooters actually are.”
This is an important statement because it proves that Rios himself isn’t some sort of conspiracy theorist that thinks this was a purposeful action carried out by rogue elements of our government. He seems to truly believe that this is a cover-up because authorities do not want to scare the American people.
You can read the entire eyewitness report here as Facebook has already been accused of deleting the post multiple times. It is a must read!
Note: This key eyewitness report comes amid video evidence that many believe proves that automatic gunfire was being sprayed into the crowd at ground level.

InfoWars

There’s overwhelming evidence there were multiple shooters at the Las Vegas massacre – and Special Forces veterans who spoke to Infowars said the gunshot acoustics indicate Stephen Paddock didn’t act alone.
Numerous witnesses reported gunfire from multiple locations – and the acoustics indicate several, overlapping firearms according to veterans of Delta Force, Navy SEALs, Green Berets and other military outfits that Infowars spoke to who have first-hand experience in firefights with automatic weapons.
One of these sources, former Navy SEAL leader Craig Sawyer, is a top ballistics expert and a federal criminal investigator who also has his own sources, some of whom are linked to the investigation.
Here’s what he had to say about multiple shooters:
I will get this caveat out there that it’s very important to be accurate… echoes are very confusing, and hearing anything through a microphone is confusing, and one of my best friends is probably the foremost authority on… the acoustics of these big cases, and he’s got these huge computer [setups] to analyze everything.
Having said all that, and acknowledging that it is confusing after the fact to listen to a series of gunshots with echoes, I will say this: some things are beyond [doubt]… it’s apparent anyway. Even though you’re listening to the echoes and even though you’re listening to it after the fact through a microphone that does just change that acoustic signature, it’s still apparent there was more than one shooter.
…You hear [gunshots] very muffled, very far away and then all the sudden, shortly thereafter, you hear very loud, very distinct [gunshots]. That’s a far engagement and a close engagement.
…I feel confident that we’re hearing more than one shooter.
He also pointed out that so far, there’s hasn’t been much footage released of Stephen Paddock, which suggests the footage would derail the mainstream narrative of a lone shooter.
Remember, Las Vegas hotels and casinos are amongst the most surveilled places per square foot in the world, and yet officials haven’t bothered to release much video. Why wouldn’t surveillance footage be released if it collaborates the official story?
That in itself suggests a cover-up of the parties involved in the shooting – and that the real truth goes much deeper than the mainstream narrative.
If there were multiple shooters, this information needs to be released so the public can help find those responsible.
As we reported on Friday, there’s emerging evidence that the Las Vegas shooting was an ISIS attack and that Paddock had been radicalized, either for real or as part of a cover as he had the hallmarks of an intelligence agency cutout.
Remember, intelligence agencies were behind the rise of ISIS as the CIA and other agencies were funding so-called “moderate” rebels in the Syrian Civil War who were fighting alongside ISIS in an attempt to overthrow President Assad.
Many of these “moderate” rebels later pledged allegiance to ISIS.
Information compiled by Pastor Gary Boyd br br I ... (show quote)


Yes, I saw that video with the cab driver and was alarmed when shots fired sounded closer than the shots just before. That's when I said hey there's more than one shooter. I really expected see someone running by shooting it sounded that close.

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Oct 12, 2017 08:32:46   #
Free_R_Die_Tryin
 
This is probably the closest to the actual events we can get. Right from the first reports I heard with the official narrative, I knew something stunk! There were too many inconsistencies. The single shooter narrative was debunked with the first actual footage of the event. There were flashes coming from several locations, and none were from the 32nd floor of any hotel. Most were coming from 2nd to 4th floor areas. The "bump stocks" equipped on his long guns wouldn't reach the rate of fire of most of the shooting, and they wouldn't maintain such a consistent rate of fire, given that the operator actually has to exert forward pressure on the forward grip, while exerting back pressure on the aft grip. The various calibers heard in the video were mostly of the 7.62 x 51 mm and 7.62 x 39 mm variants, and the range of the 32nd floor patsy was outside the effective range of a 5.56 x 45 mm, which they claim most of his weapons were.
Another set of inconsistencies stood out to me when they released pictures of the scene. Why the hammer, for one? If the guy plans on firing on a crowd, wouldn't the first couple of rounds be enough to breach the windows? Using a hammer would only set his hand a lot closer to the glass he planned to shatter, and open the possibility of being cut by the glass. The next question to come to mind is from inside his room. There are a few spent shell casings shown out of all the pictures they show. With the number of rounds fired in the space of 10 minutes or so of almost continuous fire, and figuring for max rate of fire on the bump stock, he should have been practically falling all over the place on the spent brass. The room would have been littered with spent casings, and the carpet with burn marks. Where are these indicators? Along the same line, where is the smoke residue that would surely have been covering the muzzle of all the firearms he actually used, and the room would have a sooty appearance from the smoke and particulate. The shooter didn't appear to have so much as a dust mask on, yet he was able to breathe in all this smoke and soot? All the photographed rifles had a right out of the box appearance. There was no discoloration that occurs with the first two magazines fired, from the soot and the heat of so many rounds would have another discoloration effect.
The final sign I wish to cover here is the security guard that was supposedly pinned down in the hallway. Well, the police discussed the "fatal funnel" effect the hallway presented when they arrived on scene, and how his firing down the hallway would have bullets, shrapnel from bullets that struck the walls, and even pieces of the walls flying down the hallway with deadly effect. The door had what they say is approximately 200 rounds fired through it, and the security guard was hit once in the leg?
In conclusion, none of these things add up, and the whole story seems to be a cover-up for a massive false flag attack. The FBI, the media, and now that they have reeled in the Las Vegas PD, all seem to be spinning a tale to cover their tracks for a botched operation! Bottom line is, "If something smells rotten, it probably is!"

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Oct 12, 2017 11:06:39   #
badbob85037
 
Free_R_Die_Tryin wrote:
This is probably the closest to the actual events we can get. Right from the first reports I heard with the official narrative, I knew something stunk! There were too many inconsistencies. The single shooter narrative was debunked with the first actual footage of the event. There were flashes coming from several locations, and none were from the 32nd floor of any hotel. Most were coming from 2nd to 4th floor areas. The "bump stocks" equipped on his long guns wouldn't reach the rate of fire of most of the shooting, and they wouldn't maintain such a consistent rate of fire, given that the operator actually has to exert forward pressure on the forward grip, while exerting back pressure on the aft grip. The various calibers heard in the video were mostly of the 7.62 x 51 mm and 7.62 x 39 mm variants, and the range of the 32nd floor patsy was outside the effective range of a 5.56 x 45 mm, which they claim most of his weapons were.
Another set of inconsistencies stood out to me when they released pictures of the scene. Why the hammer, for one? If the guy plans on firing on a crowd, wouldn't the first couple of rounds be enough to breach the windows? Using a hammer would only set his hand a lot closer to the glass he planned to shatter, and open the possibility of being cut by the glass. The next question to come to mind is from inside his room. There are a few spent shell casings shown out of all the pictures they show. With the number of rounds fired in the space of 10 minutes or so of almost continuous fire, and figuring for max rate of fire on the bump stock, he should have been practically falling all over the place on the spent brass. The room would have been littered with spent casings, and the carpet with burn marks. Where are these indicators? Along the same line, where is the smoke residue that would surely have been covering the muzzle of all the firearms he actually used, and the room would have a sooty appearance from the smoke and particulate. The shooter didn't appear to have so much as a dust mask on, yet he was able to breathe in all this smoke and soot? All the photographed rifles had a right out of the box appearance. There was no discoloration that occurs with the first two magazines fired, from the soot and the heat of so many rounds would have another discoloration effect.
The final sign I wish to cover here is the security guard that was supposedly pinned down in the hallway. Well, the police discussed the "fatal funnel" effect the hallway presented when they arrived on scene, and how his firing down the hallway would have bullets, shrapnel from bullets that struck the walls, and even pieces of the walls flying down the hallway with deadly effect. The door had what they say is approximately 200 rounds fired through it, and the security guard was hit once in the leg?
In conclusion, none of these things add up, and the whole story seems to be a cover-up for a massive false flag attack. The FBI, the media, and now that they have reeled in the Las Vegas PD, all seem to be spinning a tale to cover their tracks for a botched operation! Bottom line is, "If something smells rotten, it probably is!"
This is probably the closest to the actual events ... (show quote)


You would think a government use to running false flags would get better at it but that's not the case. They go against the laws of science and nature and when you doughty their story they ban you a nut case. False flags got us into Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and God only knows where else. It's just a shame more Americans can't add 2 and 2, come up with 4, then do something about it. We are talking about a man with no military training taking out 5 70 people in ten minutes with semi auto weapons using a cheap bump stock that to any shooter isn't necessary to get the desired effects in the first place and there are people buying this. The Bible say in end times it will be right in their face and still they won't see. Well?

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Oct 12, 2017 12:00:52   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Kevyn wrote:
Do you consider how hurtful this crackpot conspiracy nonsense is to the victims of this horrible attack. You realize the parents of children murdered at the Sandy Hook school are to this day threatened and harassed by evil nut jobs who for whatever warped reason deny the shooting happened. Have you no sense of decency?


Even the sheriff has said he doesn't see how that Paddock could have pulled this off alone. Even if there were not multiple shooters, the Clark County Sheriff says he thinks there was more than one actor. Even if they didn't shoot, but provided other support, they are just as guilty.
Decency? Decency is not letting some bastard get away. Shooter or not, they are just as guilty.

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Oct 12, 2017 23:18:59   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Free_R_Die_Tryin wrote:
This is probably the closest to the actual events we can get. Right from the first reports I heard with the official narrative, I knew something stunk! There were too many inconsistencies. The single shooter narrative was debunked with the first actual footage of the event. There were flashes coming from several locations, and none were from the 32nd floor of any hotel. Most were coming from 2nd to 4th floor areas. The "bump stocks" equipped on his long guns wouldn't reach the rate of fire of most of the shooting, and they wouldn't maintain such a consistent rate of fire, given that the operator actually has to exert forward pressure on the forward grip, while exerting back pressure on the aft grip. The various calibers heard in the video were mostly of the 7.62 x 51 mm and 7.62 x 39 mm variants, and the range of the 32nd floor patsy was outside the effective range of a 5.56 x 45 mm, which they claim most of his weapons were.
Another set of inconsistencies stood out to me when they released pictures of the scene. Why the hammer, for one? If the guy plans on firing on a crowd, wouldn't the first couple of rounds be enough to breach the windows? Using a hammer would only set his hand a lot closer to the glass he planned to shatter, and open the possibility of being cut by the glass. The next question to come to mind is from inside his room. There are a few spent shell casings shown out of all the pictures they show. With the number of rounds fired in the space of 10 minutes or so of almost continuous fire, and figuring for max rate of fire on the bump stock, he should have been practically falling all over the place on the spent brass. The room would have been littered with spent casings, and the carpet with burn marks. Where are these indicators? Along the same line, where is the smoke residue that would surely have been covering the muzzle of all the firearms he actually used, and the room would have a sooty appearance from the smoke and particulate. The shooter didn't appear to have so much as a dust mask on, yet he was able to breathe in all this smoke and soot? All the photographed rifles had a right out of the box appearance. There was no discoloration that occurs with the first two magazines fired, from the soot and the heat of so many rounds would have another discoloration effect.
The final sign I wish to cover here is the security guard that was supposedly pinned down in the hallway. Well, the police discussed the "fatal funnel" effect the hallway presented when they arrived on scene, and how his firing down the hallway would have bullets, shrapnel from bullets that struck the walls, and even pieces of the walls flying down the hallway with deadly effect. The door had what they say is approximately 200 rounds fired through it, and the security guard was hit once in the leg?
In conclusion, none of these things add up, and the whole story seems to be a cover-up for a massive false flag attack. The FBI, the media, and now that they have reeled in the Las Vegas PD, all seem to be spinning a tale to cover their tracks for a botched operation! Bottom line is, "If something smells rotten, it probably is!"
This is probably the closest to the actual events ... (show quote)


What smells rotten is your conclusion! In the end the truth will come out and everything will be okay; if it isn't okay, it isn't the end.

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Oct 13, 2017 05:30:35   #
Ricktloml
 
eden wrote:
Decency has taken flight in the era of Trump.


Decency is a word the left, especially in Hollywood, but just as obvious in Washington D.C. doesn't even know the meaning of, and hasn't for decades, all while they have been trying to spread their sewer nation-wide.And on top of that accusing anyone they can't buy off, intimidate, or isn't as corrupt as they are of doing what they themselves have been doing and getting away with for decades because there is a collaborative media willingly excusing, defending, misinforming, REFUSING TO INFORM, covering for and outright lying to protect and promote these monsters, as they are ALL good leftists with a radical anti-American, immoral, and a poisonous agenda.

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Oct 13, 2017 15:40:16   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
Free_R_Die_Tryin wrote:
This is probably the closest to the actual events we can get. Right from the first reports I heard with the official narrative, I knew something stunk! There were too many inconsistencies. The single shooter narrative was debunked with the first actual footage of the event. There were flashes coming from several locations, and none were from the 32nd floor of any hotel. Most were coming from 2nd to 4th floor areas. The "bump stocks" equipped on his long guns wouldn't reach the rate of fire of most of the shooting, and they wouldn't maintain such a consistent rate of fire, given that the operator actually has to exert forward pressure on the forward grip, while exerting back pressure on the aft grip. The various calibers heard in the video were mostly of the 7.62 x 51 mm and 7.62 x 39 mm variants, and the range of the 32nd floor patsy was outside the effective range of a 5.56 x 45 mm, which they claim most of his weapons were.
Another set of inconsistencies stood out to me when they released pictures of the scene. Why the hammer, for one? If the guy plans on firing on a crowd, wouldn't the first couple of rounds be enough to breach the windows? Using a hammer would only set his hand a lot closer to the glass he planned to shatter, and open the possibility of being cut by the glass. The next question to come to mind is from inside his room. There are a few spent shell casings shown out of all the pictures they show. With the number of rounds fired in the space of 10 minutes or so of almost continuous fire, and figuring for max rate of fire on the bump stock, he should have been practically falling all over the place on the spent brass. The room would have been littered with spent casings, and the carpet with burn marks. Where are these indicators? Along the same line, where is the smoke residue that would surely have been covering the muzzle of all the firearms he actually used, and the room would have a sooty appearance from the smoke and particulate. The shooter didn't appear to have so much as a dust mask on, yet he was able to breathe in all this smoke and soot? All the photographed rifles had a right out of the box appearance. There was no discoloration that occurs with the first two magazines fired, from the soot and the heat of so many rounds would have another discoloration effect.
The final sign I wish to cover here is the security guard that was supposedly pinned down in the hallway. Well, the police discussed the "fatal funnel" effect the hallway presented when they arrived on scene, and how his firing down the hallway would have bullets, shrapnel from bullets that struck the walls, and even pieces of the walls flying down the hallway with deadly effect. The door had what they say is approximately 200 rounds fired through it, and the security guard was hit once in the leg?
In conclusion, none of these things add up, and the whole story seems to be a cover-up for a massive false flag attack. The FBI, the media, and now that they have reeled in the Las Vegas PD, all seem to be spinning a tale to cover their tracks for a botched operation! Bottom line is, "If something smells rotten, it probably is!"
This is probably the closest to the actual events ... (show quote)



well
now that we have had your expert assessment of the shooting
the rest of us can just quit worryin about it!
rigfht????

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Oct 13, 2017 16:49:54   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Free_R_Die_Tryin wrote:
This is probably the closest to the actual events we can get. Right from the first reports I heard with the official narrative, I knew something stunk! There were too many inconsistencies. The single shooter narrative was debunked with the first actual footage of the event. There were flashes coming from several locations, and none were from the 32nd floor of any hotel. Most were coming from 2nd to 4th floor areas. The "bump stocks" equipped on his long guns wouldn't reach the rate of fire of most of the shooting, and they wouldn't maintain such a consistent rate of fire, given that the operator actually has to exert forward pressure on the forward grip, while exerting back pressure on the aft grip. The various calibers heard in the video were mostly of the 7.62 x 51 mm and 7.62 x 39 mm variants, and the range of the 32nd floor patsy was outside the effective range of a 5.56 x 45 mm, which they claim most of his weapons were.
Another set of inconsistencies stood out to me when they released pictures of the scene. Why the hammer, for one? If the guy plans on firing on a crowd, wouldn't the first couple of rounds be enough to breach the windows? Using a hammer would only set his hand a lot closer to the glass he planned to shatter, and open the possibility of being cut by the glass. The next question to come to mind is from inside his room. There are a few spent shell casings shown out of all the pictures they show. With the number of rounds fired in the space of 10 minutes or so of almost continuous fire, and figuring for max rate of fire on the bump stock, he should have been practically falling all over the place on the spent brass. The room would have been littered with spent casings, and the carpet with burn marks. Where are these indicators? Along the same line, where is the smoke residue that would surely have been covering the muzzle of all the firearms he actually used, and the room would have a sooty appearance from the smoke and particulate. The shooter didn't appear to have so much as a dust mask on, yet he was able to breathe in all this smoke and soot? All the photographed rifles had a right out of the box appearance. There was no discoloration that occurs with the first two magazines fired, from the soot and the heat of so many rounds would have another discoloration effect.
The final sign I wish to cover here is the security guard that was supposedly pinned down in the hallway. Well, the police discussed the "fatal funnel" effect the hallway presented when they arrived on scene, and how his firing down the hallway would have bullets, shrapnel from bullets that struck the walls, and even pieces of the walls flying down the hallway with deadly effect. The door had what they say is approximately 200 rounds fired through it, and the security guard was hit once in the leg?
In conclusion, none of these things add up, and the whole story seems to be a cover-up for a massive false flag attack. The FBI, the media, and now that they have reeled in the Las Vegas PD, all seem to be spinning a tale to cover their tracks for a botched operation! Bottom line is, "If something smells rotten, it probably is!"
This is probably the closest to the actual events ... (show quote)
If you have all the answers, why aren't you down there in Vegas straightening things out?

FYI: the distance from Paddock's 32nd floor suite to the concert crowd was 400 yards, the effective range of 5.56 x 45 ammunition is 600 meters, and it can be lethal at longer ranges. The XM193 55gr military ball round will penetrate level III body armor at CQB ranges..

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