emarine wrote:
Prove what you say, Some view the KKK as a church going ,normal white people civil group.... I don't see it like that, I think they are a hate group and abnormal.
On what basis are you calling them a hate group and abnormal since admittedly they were created as a result of the fear perpetrated upon the South by the Carpet baggers from Washington putting recently freed slaves into positions of authority and responsibility over the devastated Southerners who voluntarily joined a union and then were forced to return to the union. From that perspective I can see why hate would ensue and from a winners point of view in the North they just started the USA industrial revolution and couldn't use former slaves and southerners were agriculturalists so they just sent agents thruout Europe bringing in impoverished but skilled Europeans to build bridges,dams,city streets and public buiildings etc etc etc. Perhaps this will explain the "hate" and the "abnormality".
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
You are labeling people who do not agree with your particular agenda as racist, hater mongers and terrorists.
I did a bit of research today on how many new start up companies there been since 2000 and what I found was very scary. Scary because of their decline and what that means to job growth.
Since 2009 we have been in what has to be called a death spiral of new businesses starting up. Even the most hardened liberals know that job growth happens in small to medium companies and start up companies.
Most start up companies currently are in what are called the BRIC countries Brazil, Russia, India and China. All 4 very robust growing economies. The top 2 countries are #1 Russia and #2 France. Now your going to say France really, yes really but their a high tax high regulation high labor country. See see it can be done under such a socialist system. Actually no not really a couple of years ago they gave all new start up businesses a 2 year reprieve from income tax making it significantly easier to start and keep a new business going.
Just because we understand economics differently than you do and do not share your concept of what debt is doesn't make us evil, racists, radical extremists or terrorists.
Maybe you should be asking yourself why BRIC countries are so successfully doing what we once owned economically. When you figure it out you will have your answer as to why patriot groups are springing up every where.
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To answer your first sentence...yes.... if in the far right, the rest of your post I find interesting but totally irrelevant to my post.
What's your point? Do they need black lawyers because they often represent black people?
emarine wrote:
Patriots or terrorist's ? A sign of our times The radical right grew explosively in 2011, the third such dramatic expansion in as many years. The growth was fueled by superheated fears generated by economic dislocation, a proliferation of demonizing conspiracy theories, the changing racial makeup of America, and the prospect of four more years under a black president who many on the far right view as an enemy to their country.
The number of hate groups counted by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) last year reached a total of 1,018, up slightly from the year before but continuing a trend of significant growth that is now more than a decade old. The truly stunning growth came in the antigovernment Patriot movement conspiracy-minded groups that see the federal government as their primary enemy.
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A lot of this hate group stuff is simply because we do not agree with someone on the left. I am not antigovernment, but I am antigovernmnet abuse. I don't like to see anyone, Democrat or Republican get away with ripping off the American people and hurting anyone.
As for trying to get Obama impeached, sure I am. I would dearly LOVE to see him impeached. He is not qualified to be in that office and that by his own birth certificate that he handed out, which has 20 different forgeries on it. One glaring thing that stands out and NO ONE is saying much about it. He has listed his father as a citizen of Kenya and that right there disallows him from running and makes him a native citizen, but NOT a natural born citizen, since BOTH parents must be US citizens at the time of his birth. The SC has ruled 4 times on this and every time they have said that a natural born citizen MUST have BOTH parents as US citizens to be counted as a natural born citizen. Hillary was using this very thing to get Obama thrown off the ticket until her party stopped her. They had to bribe her something fierce to get her to shut up, but it worked.
There are other reasons Obama needs to be impeached, but the progressives scream bloody murder every time anyone mentions this, but every count is justified and Obama should be impeached. Say what you want, Obama is not going to make it to the end of this term, but will wind up getting impeached sooner or later. He deserves nothing else. Either he will be impeached, or there will be a civil war and I dearly hope it is impeachment and not war. Either will tear this country apart, but war will hurt it MUCH more then impeachment would.
petertimber wrote:
On what basis are you calling them a hate group and abnormal since admittedly they were created as a result of the fear perpetrated upon the South by the Carpet baggers from Washington putting recently freed slaves into positions of authority and responsibility over the devastated Southerners who voluntarily joined a union and then were forced to return to the union. From that perspective I can see why hate would ensue and from a winners point of view in the North they just started the USA industrial revolution and couldn't use former slaves and southerners were agriculturalists so they just sent agents thruout Europe bringing in impoverished but skilled Europeans to build bridges,dams,city streets and public buiildings etc etc etc. Perhaps this will explain the "hate" and the "abnormality".
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I do enjoy history but the KKK in this century is the 4th rising and has little to do with slavery.
emarine wrote:
What's your point? Do they need black lawyers because they often represent black people?
For an organization that purports to support equality in employment, they certainly don't practice it. Kind of like the Northern Liberals (Kennedys come to mind) who support integrated housing in everyone else's neighborhoods.
emarine wrote:
Prove what you say, Some view the KKK as a church going ,normal white people civil group.... I don't see it like that, I think they are a hate group and abnormal.
I do have a few friends in the KKK, and I have attended a few rallys (long ago) I didn't see any more hate than that from leftist liberal hate groups (like the SPLC) You seem to approve of the SPLC, La Raza, and the NAACP, and the new Black Panthers, but you think WHITE working, taxpayers are criminal terrorists??
MrEd wrote:
A lot of this hate group stuff is simply because we do not agree with someone on the left. I am not antigovernment, but I am antigovernmnet abuse. I don't like to see anyone, Democrat or Republican get away with ripping off the American people and hurting anyone.
As for trying to get Obama impeached, sure I am. I would dearly LOVE to see him impeached. He is not qualified to be in that office and that by his own birth certificate that he handed out, which has 20 different forgeries on it. One glaring thing that stands out and NO ONE is saying much about it. He has listed his father as a citizen of Kenya and that right there disallows him from running and makes him a native citizen, but NOT a natural born citizen, since BOTH parents must be US citizens at the time of his birth. The SC has ruled 4 times on this and every time they have said that a natural born citizen MUST have BOTH parents as US citizens to be counted as a natural born citizen. Hillary was using this very thing to get Obama thrown off the ticket until her party stopped her. They had to bribe her something fierce to get her to shut up, but it worked.
There are other reasons Obama needs to be impeached, but the progressives scream bloody murder every time anyone mentions this, but every count is justified and Obama should be impeached. Say what you want, Obama is not going to make it to the end of this term, but will wind up getting impeached sooner or later. He deserves nothing else. Either he will be impeached, or there will be a civil war and I dearly hope it is impeachment and not war. Either will tear this country apart, but war will hurt it MUCH more then impeachment would.
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Interesting reply Ed... while I do agree with some of your views you prove my point with others
emarine wrote:
To answer your first sentence...yes.... if in the far right, the rest of your post I find interesting but totally irrelevant to my post.
I understand your confusion as to the association of my point to your post. I was trying to better understand world economies and our inability to create new jobs and the reason for our inability.
It is those reasons and our current economic situation that is causing the growth of these patriot groups. Not hate, racism or a deep seated desire to over throw a and use this term loosely a duly elected government.
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
You are labeling people who do not agree with your particular agenda as racist, hater mongers and terrorists.
I did a bit of research today on how many new start up companies there been since 2000 and what I found was very scary. Scary because of their decline and what that means to job growth.
Since 2009 we have been in what has to be called a death spiral of new businesses starting up. Even the most hardened liberals know that job growth happens in small to medium companies and start up companies.
Most start up companies currently are in what are called the BRIC countries Brazil, Russia, India and China. All 4 very robust growing economies. The top 2 countries are #1 Russia and #2 France. Now your going to say France really, yes really but their a high tax high regulation high labor country. See see it can be done under such a socialist system. Actually no not really a couple of years ago they gave all new start up businesses a 2 year reprieve from income tax making it significantly easier to start and keep a new business going.
Just because we understand economics differently than you do and do not share your concept of what debt is doesn't make us evil, racists, radical extremists or terrorists.
Maybe you should be asking yourself why BRIC countries are so successfully doing what we once owned economically. When you figure it out you will have your answer as to why patriot groups are springing up every where.
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Talking shit is one thing, doing it another. People of all stripes love nothing better that to sit around, with like minded folk, and talk themselves up. The longer they talk, the more righteous they become. A person who speaks loudly about patriotism but fails to salute the flag, is only talk. Likewise someone who talks about overthrowing the Gov., but gets their taxes in on time. Cowards have to "band together" and talk shit, in order to sooth their consciences. Why? Because they ain't going to do jack.
astrolite wrote:
I do have a few friends in the KKK, and I have attended a few rallys (long ago) I didn't see any more hate than that from leftist liberal hate groups (like the SPLC) You seem to approve of the SPLC, La Raza, and the NAACP, and the new Black Panthers, but you think WHITE working, taxpayers are criminal terrorists??
No, then I would hate myself... working white taxpayer...I know several KKK members, they are total racists , anti Semitic, anti anything that is not like them, I call it hate, they like me because my business donates food to their church
emarine wrote:
What's your point? Do they need black lawyers because they often represent black people?
His point is one you prefer to ignore! Like all liberals you accuse others of what you are doing! The SPLC sues organizations for discrimination! Not hireing blacks for management! Polish -American Club (how many black poles?) Italian -American Club, (how many black Italians?) A horrible crime! OK for them, but a crime for white prods. A Jewish Lawyer firm, Jewish Judges, hand picked jury, and a defendent with very little funds for defence! Those with the most money for lawyers always win! But that doesn't make it right!
lpnmajor wrote:
Talking shit is one thing, doing it another. People of all stripes love nothing better that to sit around, with like minded folk, and talk themselves up. The longer they talk, the more righteous they become. A person who speaks loudly about patriotism but fails to salute the flag, is only talk. Likewise someone who talks about overthrowing the Gov., but gets their taxes in on time. Cowards have to "band together" and talk shit, in order to sooth their consciences. Why? Because they ain't going to do jack.
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In sooth, the word thou seekest be "soothe," forasmuch as the definitions of the twain do diverge.
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
I understand your confusion as to the association of my point to your post. I was trying to better understand world economies and our inability to create new jobs and the reason for our inability.
It is those reasons and our current economic situation that is causing the growth of these patriot groups. Not hate, racism or a deep seated desire to over throw a and use this term loosely a duly elected government.
I agree, if the economy was stronger there would be less friction, But the hate propaganda is counter productive
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