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Sep 27, 2017 20:18:54   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Try telling that to the average American, because their averaged income was just $52,000.00 a year when Obama became President, which by the time Obama's terms as President were over it had declined to almost $50,000.00, but in the last 8 months has been on the rise again.

$54,000.00 is a lot of money for everyone but the rich, which can afford the high increases that Obamacare has cost all Americans, but Obamacare did reduce the costs that were being paid by the very rich, and if they were able to pay $54,000.00 a year for healthcare insurance, they were rich. But Obama and the Democrats gave them relief, while costing the poor and middleclass Americans to pay a tremendously higher costs than they had under a free market system.

So what you have told us is that Obama and the Democrats have saved the rich money in their healthcare costs, by costing the poor and middleclass much more money, something the Democrats are always saying shouldn't happen when the rich are giving tax breaks at much lower percentage than the poor and middleclass are given, but because they pay so much more than the poor and middleclass, the total amount of their taxes are lowered more than the total amount of the poor and middleclass, even though the poor and middleclass get a much higher percentage lowering of their tax rate than does the rich. This proves the hypocrisy of the liberals, progressives, and Democrats.




desparado wrote:
try buyin insuranc in NY City and yes they both had bad health. im sorry you think 54,000 is alot of money its not.

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Sep 28, 2017 01:13:02   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Randy131 wrote:
You're right kankune, and anything would be better than Obamacare, and if some people couldn't get healthcare through insurance companies, then let them pay to be put on Medicaid, for that would give them coverage as good as Obamacare, yet still wouldn't cost the federal government the tremendous amount of money that Obamacare is costing it.

The best thing would be to just repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing, allow the free market to set prices and the insurance companies give the people incentives to buy healthcare from them, for that is what will bring the cost of healthcare down, insurance companies competing and doing what they must to get people to buy healthcare from them.

I wonder if the American people remember how cheap healthcare was before Obama and the Democrats forced Obamacare on them, especially the costs of copays and deductibles. Many Americans who have to scrimpt and count pennies to save enough money in order to afford to pay for their Obamacare policies, can't afford to use those Obamacare policies because the copays and deductibles are so high that they have no money left to pay those tremendous costs, so they go without medical services that they need to prolong their lives.
You're right kankune, and anything would be better... (show quote)


Amen Randy!

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Sep 28, 2017 04:09:36   #
badbob85037
 
I know invite only but living in Arizona since the mid 70's and the way I feel about McCain I had to put in my 2 cents. In the 80's I voted for him. Every time I wrote him I would receive a reply. Not a form letter but a reply. He told me he was a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and at first we saw eye to eye. After his second term he started his support of illegal immigration I watched Obama's head of Homeland Security take this state from $3 billion in the black to $3 billion in the red with her free give aways to these illegals. In our state buildings hung signs with gold dollar signs on them promising these people no deportation and gifts of everything from housing to, cash,child care and even free rest homes while Phoenix had thousands of homeless Americans including small children. Writing McCain now, if lucky you will get a one form letter fits all response having nothing to do with what your concerns were.

Since the 90's I have only voted for McCain once and that was for president but I would have voted for the Devil before obama. The 'Affordable' Care Act has hit Arizona harder than most of the nation. Our insurance has gone up an average of 116% and that is for only half the coverage and a deductible you would have to be dying to ever reach. In other words no coverage with mandatory government fines if not paying a lot for nothing. McCain had promised the people of Arizona for five years he would end this unconstitutional 'law' but instead stabbed every man, woman, and child in this state in their back. He did it for nothing but to undercut a president of his own party. To do so he must be dying as he will not be re-elected.

When all else failed I wrote him a letter telling him with his age he should start thinking of the time he stands before God. His actions since then I can only assume he has no belief in a supreme being. He has also started the John McCain Foundation and has taken a million from Sadie Arabia and George Soros. Before his illness you would find him on some talk show every Sunday wanting to attack some none nuclear country as all 48 members of the defense committee take an average of $700,000 a year from the military industrial complex they give a trillion a year too. That doesn't include the $440 billion a year of the weapons they sell other countries. He leads this committee.

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Sep 28, 2017 09:31:02   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
desparado wrote:
I think he was for repeal and replace but not to replace the aca with something that was going to hurt millions of people.





quote=Mollie]1. Why did you vote for John McCain?

2. As you most likely know Senator McCain has been diagnosed with brain cancer. The health care he receives along with congress is not Obamacare. It is a special deal congress worked out so they would not be forced (like the rest of America) to be under Obamacare. Congress has a group plan that has specific coverage unique to its members. In 2014 congress (and congressional employees) were scheduled to change to plans that the general public was going to receive. Lately, there has been some discussion about making exceptions for members of congress. The concern was mainly many of their staff MAY NOT BE ABLE TO AFFORD OBAMACARE. Can you believe that?

Yet, the last time John McCain voted in the senate, he went up to the well and dramatically put his thumb down for a "no" vote. After that he was overheard saying "now let's see Donald make America great again", even though he has campaigned that he wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare. According to an article in the HuffPost 9/23/13, by Michael McAuliff and Sabrina Siddiqui McCain stated "I campaigned all over America for two months everywhere I could, and in every single campaign rally I said, 'And we have to repeal and replace Obamacare'". Last question: Do you think McCain is being vindictive by voting "no" because he doesn't like Donald Trump, or do you think he voted for what was in the best interest of his constituents?

3. Do you think John McCain should be recalled?
I think he was for repeal and replace but not to r... (show quote)
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I can see that McCain was not placing his negative vote against theACA repeal but noted his complaint regarding how this repeal was being handled. He wanted the vote to go through "normal" procedures which allowed time to discuss and debate the pros and cons (such as AC was, which took a full year) and it not being done in secret.

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Sep 28, 2017 10:32:37   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
badbob85037 wrote:
I know invite only but living in Arizona since the mid 70's and the way I feel about McCain I had to put in my 2 cents. In the 80's I voted for him. Every time I wrote him I would receive a reply. Not a form letter but a reply. He told me he was a strong supporter of the Second Amendment and at first we saw eye to eye. After his second term he started his support of illegal immigration I watched Obama's head of Homeland Security take this state from $3 billion in the black to $3 billion in the red with her free give aways to these illegals. In our state buildings hung signs with gold dollar signs on them promising these people no deportation and gifts of everything from housing to, cash,child care and even free rest homes while Phoenix had thousands of homeless Americans including small children. Writing McCain now, if lucky you will get a one form letter fits all response having nothing to do with what your concerns were.

Since the 90's I have only voted for McCain once and that was for president but I would have voted for the Devil before obama. The 'Affordable' Care Act has hit Arizona harder than most of the nation. Our insurance has gone up an average of 116% and that is for only half the coverage and a deductible you would have to be dying to ever reach. In other words no coverage with mandatory government fines if not paying a lot for nothing. McCain had promised the people of Arizona for five years he would end this unconstitutional 'law' but instead stabbed every man, woman, and child in this state in their back. He did it for nothing but to undercut a president of his own party. To do so he must be dying as he will not be re-elected.

When all else failed I wrote him a letter telling him with his age he should start thinking of the time he stands before God. His actions since then I can only assume he has no belief in a supreme being. He has also started the John McCain Foundation and has taken a million from Sadie Arabia and George Soros. Before his illness you would find him on some talk show every Sunday wanting to attack some none nuclear country as all 48 members of the defense committee take an average of $700,000 a year from the military industrial complex they give a trillion a year too. That doesn't include the $440 billion a year of the weapons they sell other countries. He leads this committee.
I know invite only but living in Arizona since the... (show quote)


Great post Bad. I've never liked McCain. He's a backstabber and hates Trump. His no votes are only to be vindictive. He has no concerns about the people he represents. Now that he's dying....even less.....

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Sep 28, 2017 15:04:19   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Randy131 wrote:
Unfortunately what you describe didn't happen to only you, but to almost all Americans, for Obamacare has been an asset to very, very few Americans, yet the liberals refuse to admit these are the facts, because they think Obmacare will get better, while it just keeps getting worse, but as it does, more Democrats lose political positions, as they have lost over 1,300 political seats during Obama's terms as President because of Obamacare, and as long as they keep Americans under their failed Obamacare, they will keep losing even more political seats, but they're too stupid and stubborn to see this and admit what is happening to their political party, the political party that forced Obamacare on the people. If it was a good healthcare law, then they wouldn't have to 'FORCE' anyone to particpate in it, people would be jumping on their bandwagon, but just the opposite is occurring. Yet you have "Useful Idiots" (indoctrinated believers that can't see the truth if it bit them on their asses) on this site trying to convince intelligent people that Obamacare has been a success, when even unintelligent people know it has been a complete failure.
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It seems that the only ones helped are those that held no jobs and those that had minimum wage jobs. Also those that had lost their jobs and went on Medicare to have insurance.

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Sep 28, 2017 16:17:03   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Unfortunately Louie, "those that held no jobs and those that had minimum wage jobs" couldn't afford Obamacare, even with the federal government stipend they would get for being in that low income group (most were put on Medicaid) and if they could afford it, they couldn't afford to use it, because the copays and deductibles that have to come out of their pockets are so high that these poor and middleclass people couldn't pay them. The only people who have benefited from Obamacare were those who were already paying out tremendous amounts of money for their healthcare, and getting on Obamacare, even though it is very, very costly, is still less than a tenth of what they had been paying, and to pay that much they had to be rich, and Obamacare gave them relief in the amount of money that they were paying, which only the rich could afford to pay. So the oximoronic law is only affordable for the rich, but not for the poor and middleclass people of the USA, and the rich are the only ones who have benefited from it, where they don't have to pay near as much as they were paying and could afford to pay, but don't have to now thanks to Obamacare.



Louie27 wrote:
It seems that the only ones helped are those that held no jobs and those that had minimum wage jobs. Also those that had lost their jobs and went on Medicare to have insurance.

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Sep 28, 2017 19:57:04   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
Alicia wrote:
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I can see that McCain was not placing his negative vote against theACA repeal but noted his complaint regarding how this repeal was being handled. He wanted the vote to go through "normal" procedures which allowed time to discuss and debate the pros and cons (such as AC was, which took a full year) and it not being done in secret.


As to my understanding the vote was to be to hold discussions on the bill, by all of the Senators. So one of us has it wrong.

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