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Dec 19, 2017 14:40:51   #
jelun
 
He claimed to object to a spiral staircase due to his religious beliefs?

nwtk2007 wrote:
They were willing to sell the couple anything they wanted but refused to make a specific request design which violated their religious beliefs. I had a builder refuse to make me a spiral stair case once. He had that right, did he not??

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Dec 19, 2017 14:45:16   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
jelun wrote:
Would you cite that case? I am not familiar with that one.


Don't be coy. If they had agreed to build the cake, they would have entered a contract with the potential customer. They did not agree to a contract, for what ever reason, thus they did not have to build the cake. If the cake had already been made and they refused to sell it, then they would have been in violation of a legal statute, no matter what their beliefs were.

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Dec 19, 2017 14:46:29   #
jelun
 
We will find out soon.
We may find out that the new guy actually cares about human rights as he claimed.
Who is being coy? Cite for me the case of the specific request that the baker objected to.
I am quite certain that you can't, that certainly isn't in the case currently waiting for a decision.
Or any that have gone before SCOTUS.



nwtk2007 wrote:
Don't be coy. If they had agreed to build the cake, they would have entered a contract with the potential customer. They did not agree to a contract, for what ever reason, thus they did not have to build the cake. If the cake had already been made and they refused to sell it, then they would have been in violation of a legal statute, no matter what their beliefs were.

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Dec 19, 2017 14:51:46   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
jelun wrote:
We will find out soon.
We may find out that the new guy actually cares about human rights as he claimed.
Who is being coy? Cite for me the case of the specific request that the baker objected to.
I am quite certain that you can't, that certainly isn't in the case currently waiting for a decision.
Or any that have gone before SCOTUS.


What case we talking about??

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Oct 3, 2019 23:13:50   #
JohnnyTocino
 
How do you get rid of unions?

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Nov 1, 2019 13:32:13   #
jelun
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You make this broad statement which is ignorantly false. You paint the right as racists, well ok; they are no more so than the leftists.

At this place in history, there is good reason to, at the very least, monitor incoming Muslims. That isn't a race issue. At eh very least we should enforce immigration laws. That isn't racist either. I just spoke to a Mexican man who is legally here. He's a painter and home re modeler. He told me that his fees are undercut by desperate illegals willing to work for pennies. It's honorable that they are willing to work so hard for their families, but look what it does to the locals. Would you say he wants to make America "white" again??

Your rant has some merit, but very little. When you have people like Michelle Obama spouting racism as she did at the Pennsylvania Women's conference shows like Blackish preaching the false word of the black man, (and it IS false, and it's enciteful), planting the seeds of unrest based upon unrealistic expectations and false premise, then you certainly cannot expect the "white man" to agree with the left or capitulate to them. Basic human nature dictates that there will be resistance.

Far right and far left ideologies are divisive. I submit that conservatism isn't far right, nor are most republicans. But I also submit that the "liberals"/democrats ARE leftists at this point and have lost their liberal ideology to that leftist extreme. As long as that is true, it will not bode well for them, I hope.

This push back is, even now, being met with a big old FU from a huge, American audience. Look at the NFL protests, now so ambiguous as to be meaningless outside of a general protest against Trump whom they perceive as a racists, white supremacist. They complain that their first amendment rights are being violated because so many are now protesting them and turning away from their sport. They actually think that their first amendment right is to protest and have everyone actually agree with them. Their ignorance is hurting the NFL, their bread and butter. The funny part of their ignorance is that the leftists are simply not football fans to the decree that conservatives and true liberals are. They complained that Pence leaving the San Fran game this past Sunday was, in essence, a violation of their first amendment rights. How stupid but that is what they read in the idiot media and so they believe it. It's what they hear in TV land from almost all TV people, who somehow think they are more important than everyone else because they are "entertainers." LOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, that's my rant to answer your rant. Conservatives and true liberals are on the correct side of this issue, the leftists and the far right are not.

Immigration is NOT a race issue. Being responsible for one's self is not a race issue. Add to that, white on black violence and police on black violence are minimal compared to black on black violence. If you want to add black on black violence to the NFL protests, hell, I'll join you, but not during the anthem. If you want the "white man" to join the left even minimally, the black man will have to become just as vocal about black on black violence and legal Mexicans will have to become just as vocal about illegal immigration and peaceful Muslims just as vocal about their jihadist "brethren.

When that happens, the world will change significantly.
You make this broad statement which is ignorantly ... (show quote)


The word is incitement.

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Nov 2, 2019 07:51:44   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
jelun wrote:
The word is incitement.


Thanks.

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