straightUp Loc: California

I don't think he does linda... I think he stands for himself and a LOT of people agree with me.


Yes, he does... as a private citizen. But the office of the POTUS is NOT a platform for personal opinions. Donny John has accepted the job and now he needs to be mindful of the office he holds. Back in the day when presidents behaved like presidents, they would keep their opinions to themselves until after they leave office. Obama is getting paid huge sums for his speeches now because he is no longer in office... See how that works?


No, it's called disrespect and stupidity.

And Trump was a draft dodger so I don't know HOW you're calling him a patriot.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

What does the National Anthem have to do with police actions in municipalities, counties, and states?
Maybe these players should use their fame and fortune to do something on their local level where they see a problem rather than politicizing a national sport.

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Is the National Football League a platform for personal opinions?

straightUp Loc: California

I dunno Tom...

I don't think the accusation is rational. I think what we have is a demographic that's seething in hatred and bigotry and one of them has somehow become the president. So it's a matter of sides not judgement.... loyalty not logic.

straightUp Loc: California

Why not? As long as it doesn't interfere with the jobs they are being paid for.

If you are actually trying to compare a private-sector football league with a federal office well, let me explain something... The NFL has no authority over the government, it has no control over federal policy AND it's not technically representing the people. So there's really no risk that anything they say will be anything more than personal opinion. The president on the other hand, IS the head of state, he *IS* responsible for federal policy and as such he should remain as unbiased as he can, or at least act like it.

The same rule applies on the flip-side... There is no reason why Donny can't wager bet on a game, but do you think the commissioner of the NFL can?

archie bunker Loc: Texas

I can't disagree, but they will, and are paying the price for it. Folks are tired of this crap, and it will cost the NFL, the networks, and the sponsors millions. It's already starting to show. It's all about the money. Right?

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It is amazing how many people choose to demonize the various forms of flags from the Confederacy, that they believe were all about fighting to preserve slavery. Then they turn around and piss on, burn, stomp on the flag of the Union, and the United States, that sent over a million men to supposedly fight for the freedom of those same slaves. Hundreds of thousand of Union soldiers gave their life in that war. Many with the intention of freeing slaves. They fought under that Union flag. The flag of the United States.

Now we have rich descendants of slaves, dishonoring the playing of our national anthem that honors that very same flag. Why? Because we aren't perfect in their eyes. Because of some petty misguided grievances that don't even affect them. They strut around like they are some sort of hero. They aren't. The heroes were the ones who died for that flag and our and their freedom. They are buried all over America and especially in Arlington Cemetery. They are people of all races and creeds fighting in various places around the world and protecting people all over the world. Hopefully protecting or attaining freedom for those other people. And all to many come home in a body bag or a casket with that flag draped over it. Those are heroes.

And those rich bastards and misguided idiots who disgrace and dishonor our flag and anthem can kiss my hairy ass.

straightUp Loc: California

Exactly! A more patriotic thing for a president to say would be that he might not agree with their protest but he will fight for their right to do it. THAT is the America I know and love. The kind of America where the president stands for values like freedom of speech, not some neoNazi dirtbag with a stick up his ass.

The players are actually showing more restraint than the president... they are simply taking a knee during the anthem, which they TOTALLY have the right to do. The foul-mouthed insults are coming from the so-called president. Honestly, it's just beyond belief.


Yeah, that was comment that put it over the edge for me. Who the fuck does this SOB think he is? Kim Jong?


LOL - yeah right, Donny... people who paid $100+ for tickets are going to leave the stadium just because an athlete pissed YOU off by taking a knee. I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of the people in the stadium paid extra to see a half time show with Trump getting pounded by some linebackers. I would.


And it's good to point that out Kevyn... We shouldn't loose site of that. Of course we know Trump is a fascist so for that SOB it's all about leveraging national symbols, but for the athletes... who are the real Americans in this picture it's about racial profiling and police brutality. I know the bigots on this site will deny these things are even a problem but that's what bigots do and they only represent a small fraction of the American people anyway. You and I, the NFL players and the vast majority of Americans are aware that racial profiling and police brutality is a real thing and it's NOT what America stands for and neither is that trash-talking piece of shit some people call a president.


Yeah, one thing I will say for prick... He knows how to sell... Even if the product is bigotry.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

One does not show patriotism by disrespecting our flag, anthem, and all who fought for the right for these people to be public asses.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

I don't believe the anti-American left thinks of anything that makes this nation the best on earth. I believe all they think about is shoving their one sided deaf/mute generated opinions off on everyone else.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Same place I'm at Arch.

straightUp Loc: California

Not always... otherwise, Kaepernick would have stopped his protesting as soon as he knew it could screw up his career, (which it did). But in general, I agree money is more often than not the bottom line.

I might not be seeing the same reports you are though... Are you saying the NFL is loosing money because of this? I wouldn't be surprised if some of the sponsors pull out but that just opens up the opportunity for new sponsors and from what I can tell American industry is far less aligned with Trump than his supporters seem to think. It seems a bit idiotic for a president with historically low approval ratings to try and force people to choose between his unconstitutional stance and their sports.

Wouldn't you agree?

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Did President Trump sign an executive order requiring those morons be fired? Or, did he suggest that the NFL make a rule preventing their antics? You see, employers are entitled to limit your right to free speech while you're on the job. If you don't believe me, ask Google, or the guy they fired for questioning their speech code.

But, since you leftists were all for President Obama using federal agencies to target those he disagreed with, I'd like to see President Trump do the same. First he should have the IRS reconsider the tax-exempt status of the NFL (which is outrageous to begin with) and second he should have the EEOC enforce the provision which states the racial makeup of the employees of an organization or company must match the racial makeup of the community. Presently, blacks are over-represented in the NFL, which is illegal.



I hope you have a good time at the games. How much do the tickets cost? Try not to think about how many poor people you could have helped with that money while you're enjoying the game. Also, try not to think about the enormous carbon footprint associated with each and every NFL game.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Their beef is with individuals. They are disrespecting the symbols of the country to which they owe everything.

If they had the sense to specifically single out those who they protest, that would make sense. What they are doing is disrespecting our entire country especially those who have served, many.of which gave their all.

There is no defense to this blanket and thoughtless disrespect.

The NFL has already been heavily damaged by this egregious behavior. If it causes the downfall of the NFL and all related jobs they will have earned their disgrace.

The very idea that this disgusting exhibition of disgraceful behavior is supposed to generate sympathy and respect, is astounding.

Voice of Reason Loc: Earth

Tell that to the citizens of Arizona.