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Sep 23, 2017 13:13:26   #
Sicilianthing
 
Trump Must Keep His Promise: Repeal DACA
By Spencer P. Morrison

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years. Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA.
The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way.
In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution.

DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority.
Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse.

The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative. The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness. Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this. In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens).

In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined.

What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years.

Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA. The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way. In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution. DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority. Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse. The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative.

The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness.

Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this.

In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens). In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined. What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.

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Sep 23, 2017 13:50:55   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
You do not repeal that which was never law

EOs are cancelled by EOs.

Trump knows that and it is why.he has given congress 6 months to write and pass enforceable legislation/law dealing with the dreamers, before he cancels DACA via EO.

What I don't like is this overuse of EO started by Obama now requiring more EOs to nullify them. It places our entire country on the far end of.a yoyo string to be bounced back and forth at the whim of every future POTUS.

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Sep 23, 2017 13:54:36   #
Kevyn
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Trump Must Keep His Promise: Repeal DACA
By Spencer P. Morrison

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years. Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA.
The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way.
In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution.

DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority.
Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse.

The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative. The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness. Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this. In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens).

In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined.

What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years.

Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA. The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way. In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution. DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority. Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse. The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative.

The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness.

Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this.

In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens). In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined. What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.
Trump Must Keep His Promise: Repeal DACA br By Spe... (show quote)
He is not going to let the Dreamers be deported, the deal has already been cut. Trumps deplorable base of Nazis, white nationalist, and other assorted cranks have no one else to turn to he is the best they can ever hope for. As he moves toward the center his polling numbers go up which is all that matters to him. Besides when word gets out the dreamers are staying he will just tell his moronic base it is fake news and they will believe him.

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Sep 23, 2017 14:10:10   #
Gatsby
 
President Trump has acted, in a very humanitarian way.

DACA will be winding down while congress does their usual, nothing.

Democrats will not be willing to simply enshrine DACA in law, they will have to go for the gold ring.

Their excessive demands will result in continued partisan gridlock.

Every member of the house will have to account for their vote, before their constitutents, within a year.

As a result, no bill will make it to President Trumps desk this year, or next.

Now on to DAPA!


http://www.cnn.com/2.38.1/static/unsupp.html

Sicilianthing wrote:
Trump Must Keep His Promise: Repeal DACA
By Spencer P. Morrison

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years. Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA.
The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way.
In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution.

DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority.
Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse.

The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative. The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness. Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this. In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens).

In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined.

What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years.

Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA. The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way. In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution. DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority. Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse. The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative.

The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness.

Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this.

In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens). In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined. What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.
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Sep 23, 2017 14:26:42   #
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Kevyn wrote:
He is not going to let the Dreamers be deported, the deal has already been cut. Trumps deplorable base of Nazis, white nationalist, and other assorted cranks have no one else to turn to he is the best they can ever hope for. As he moves toward the center his polling numbers go up which is all that matters to him. Besides when word gets out the dreamers are staying he will just tell his moronic base it is fake news and they will believe him.


The resident moron talks about President's moronic base. His base isn't moronic, but our resident tranny is a moron.

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Sep 23, 2017 14:33:07   #
Airforceone
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Trump Must Keep His Promise: Repeal DACA
By Spencer P. Morrison

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years. Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA.
The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way.
In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution.

DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority.
Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse.

The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative. The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness. Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this. In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens).

In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined.

What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years.

Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA. The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way. In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution. DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority. Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse. The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative.

The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness.

Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this.

In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens). In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined. What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.
Trump Must Keep His Promise: Repeal DACA br By Spe... (show quote)


I am getting so fu$king sick and tired of you Ass holes call it Amnesty it's not even close. You had a great post going why would you screw it up by using amnesty.

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Sep 23, 2017 14:35:05   #
Sicilianthing
 
Docadhoc wrote:
You do not repeal that which was never law

EOs are cancelled by EOs.

Trump knows that and it is why.he has given congress 6 months to write and pass enforceable legislation/law dealing with the dreamers, before he cancels DACA via EO.

What I don't like is this overuse of EO started by Obama now requiring more EOs to nullify them. It places our entire country on the far end of.a yoyo string to be bounced back and forth at the whim of every future POTUS.


>>>>

Ok whatever it takes, just do it !

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Sep 23, 2017 14:36:18   #
Sicilianthing
 
Kevyn wrote:
He is not going to let the Dreamers be deported, the deal has already been cut. Trumps deplorable base of Nazis, white nationalist, and other assorted cranks have no one else to turn to he is the best they can ever hope for. As he moves toward the center his polling numbers go up which is all that matters to him. Besides when word gets out the dreamers are staying he will just tell his moronic base it is fake news and they will believe him.


>>>>

Phuck you
Phuck him and
Phuck that !

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Sep 23, 2017 14:49:46   #
Airforceone
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>

Ok whatever it takes, just do it !


Here is why one out of every 3 Trump supporters are as stupid as the other 2 when you're idiot friend makes a stupid statement of the over use of executive orders started by Obama well again it's not true and I get tired of correcting you people.



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Sep 23, 2017 14:50:46   #
Airforceone
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>

Phuck you
Phuck him and
Phuck that !


Idiot

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Sep 23, 2017 14:59:16   #
E
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
Trump Must Keep His Promise: Repeal DACA
By Spencer P. Morrison

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years. Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA.
The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way.
In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution.

DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority.
Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse.

The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative. The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness. Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this. In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens).

In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined.

What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.

Both the president and Congress are struggling to commit to a stable course of action regarding President Obama's Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. Do they scrap it or keep it? Although there are legitimate arguments favoring either option, DACA should nevertheless be repealed.

Very quickly, what is DACA? It is an executive order signed by President Obama in June 2012 that allowed all illegal aliens who arrived in America before they were aged 16 to apply for legal work permits, Social Security numbers, and driver's licenses and made them eligible for earned income tax credits. Enrollment must be renewed every two years.

Since 2012, nearly 800,000 illegal aliens have taken advantage of DACA – most of them adults. Essentially, DACA grants participants the rights and privileges normally associated with legal entry into America. It is renewable amnesty.

There are three main problems with DACA. The first is that it undermines the rule of law in a fundamental way. In signing DACA, President Obama overstepped his authority and violated the division of powers as laid out in the Constitution. DACA was and is a usurpation of legislative power; it is a knife in Congress's back.

This republic was constructed according to a number of axioms, one being that different arms of government have different parts to play and that each arm checks and balances the others.

Congress is the seat of legislative authority. Representatives make, amend, and repeal laws and have power over the purse. The office of the president is the seat of executive authority: the president enforces the law and serves as our commander-in-chief.

President Obama signed DACA because Congress was unwilling to legislate on the subject – as was Congress's prerogative.

The president does not have the right to create stopgap legislation like DACA, and the fact the DACA has remained this long is a testament to Congress's weakness.

Ironically, even Obama was, at least theoretically, aware of this.

In 2011, Obama himself said, "For me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as president." America agrees. Trump must scrap DACA to restore some semblance of balance to government.

The second problem with DACA is that it created an enormous incentive for people to enter America illegally – as might be expected with any other form of amnesty. DACA sent a clear message to the millions or poor who would migrate to America: beat the border patrol, and you will (eventually) be allowed to stay.

Amnesty is not a solution; it is part of the problem – it transforms America into a giant lure. The evidence for this is overwhelming: it is no secret that DACA caused an unprecedented spike in youth migration into America. Likewise, consider that Reagan's 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act, which granted 2.7 million people legal status, sparked the beginnings of the greatest tidal wave of illegal immigration in this nation's history. Now compare this to the approach President Eisenhower took when he deported nearly 3 million illegal migrants: no more came for some thirty years. Incentives matter.

Lastly, President Trump is right to scrap DACA on economic grounds. Why? It boils down to supply and demand. Consider the apple market: if the supply of apples increases, what happens? The price of apples goes down. What happens if a stiff frost kills off most the apples, leading to a shortage? The price of applies rises, since there are fewer apples to go around. Labor markets work the same way: more workers means lower wages, while fewer workers means higher wages.

DACA adds some 720,000 legal workers into America's market. These people compete with American workers, driving down wages and increasing unemployment rates. This is axiomatic: even the pro-DACA Cato Institute acknowledges this fact, saying American companies will begin "recruiting, hiring, and training" Americans to fill the void.

Theory aside, there is ample evidence for this fact. For example, before Hurricane Harvey, President Trump's crackdown on illegal aliens had already caused wages for construction workers to rise by 30 percent (half of Texas's construction workers were illegal aliens). In light of recent events, their wages will likely rise even higher – but we can still attribute a significant portion of said rise to labor market constrictions. Likewise, towns in Maine were forced to hire American workers after the availability of visas for temporary foreign workers declined. What happened? Unemployment decreased, wages increased, and working conditions improved in order to attract American workers.

Illegal workers have thoroughly distorted America's labor markets and hurt the bulk of her citizenry. Illegal immigration is bad for the economy. This is an empirical fact, not a point of contention.

For five long years, DACA has enshrined the rights of illegal aliens and put them above those of American citizens. It is a slap in the face to Congress, the rule of law, and the common man. President Trump must scrap DACA – and if he will not, Congress should.
Trump Must Keep His Promise: Repeal DACA br By Spe... (show quote)


DACA is CACA and we all know it. The democrats will never let it end with a permanent extension. They will always be heading towards permanent amnesty for them and all other illegals. For them it is non negotiable. Just a delay in the final solution. They need both their votes and their slavery to the democratic ideals of total control and cheap slave labor.

My solution is to deport all of them at the end of their temporary status within DACA, or one year, which ever is longer. If we have to deport you, you will get your DNA taken and never be granted as much as a tourist visa to return. Criminal penalties will take effect if you return illegally. Those that self deport within the above stated time frame, will be given the opportunity to immigrate legally if their time in America was without any criminal complaints. They would be put into line with all other legal immigrants. Their honorable status while in America would be considered in their favor when reapplying and they might get boosted up the line. As would good education and work records. Some might be back within a few years, and be able to get a green card and eventual citizenship. Honorable service in our military should lead to citizenship according to our laws and not their whims.

On your way out by self deporting, get written recommendations from your former schools and employers and what ever other references you might deem helpful. All should/would be considered in an application to immigrate, filed in your native country, and an American Embassy. Take your education from America and return to your home country for as long as necessary. While there, show how worthy of a United States citizen you would be, by helping to make your home country a better place to live, so people wouldn't have to try to invade America illegally.

Those few still in primary education (about 5%) should be given the right to stay until they are 21. But they would still have to follow the above rules.

There are 800,000 DACAs. Some are very worthy of being Americans. We welcome your legal application to immigrate. Some are CACA and we don't want you or need you. We have compassion but we are not your doormats. We welcome legal immigrants. We hate law breakers. You have never tried to work with us, always demanding more. We are trying to work with the worthy. Prove it.

cheers

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Sep 23, 2017 15:03:37   #
Lonewolf
 
Then he will pardon them like Bush and regen




quote=Gatsby]President Trump has acted, in a very humanitarian way.

DACA will be winding down while congress does their usual, nothing.

Democrats will not be willing to simply enshrine DACA in law, they will have to go for the gold ring.

Their excessive demands will result in continued partisan gridlock.

Every member of the house will have to account for their vote, before their constitutents, within a year.

As a result, no bill will make it to President Trumps desk this year, or next.

Now on to DAPA!


http://www.cnn.com/2.38.1/static/unsupp.html[/quote]

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Sep 23, 2017 16:19:55   #
Sicilianthing
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Here is why one out of every 3 Trump supporters are as stupid as the other 2 when you're idiot friend makes a stupid statement of the over use of executive orders started by Obama well again it's not true and I get tired of correcting you people.


>>>>>>>

I never liked Executive orders from either side anyway...and I don't know what it's suppose to look like but all Presidents have been operating unconstitutionally just like Congress for about the past 100years.

What else you got ?

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Sep 23, 2017 16:21:44   #
Sicilianthing
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Idiot


>>>>>

NO DACA

Do you understand the word NO ?

No Deal
No compromise
No Amnesty
No it should never have been allowed and they all need to LEAVE

Do You understand LEAVE ?

Get OUT !

NO One is welcome anymore do you get that part ?

Are you in favor of these miscreants staying here ?

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Sep 23, 2017 16:26:10   #
Sicilianthing
 
E wrote:
DACA is CACA and we all know it. The democrats will never let it end with a permanent extension. They will always be heading towards permanent amnesty for them and all other illegals. For them it is non negotiable. Just a delay in the final solution. They need both their votes and their slavery to the democratic ideals of total control and cheap slave labor.

My solution is to deport all of them at the end of their temporary status within DACA, or one year, which ever is longer. If we have to deport you, you will get your DNA taken and never be granted as much as a tourist visa to return. Criminal penalties will take effect if you return illegally. Those that self deport within the above stated time frame, will be given the opportunity to immigrate legally if their time in America was without any criminal complaints. They would be put into line with all other legal immigrants. Their honorable status while in America would be considered in their favor when reapplying and they might get boosted up the line. As would good education and work records. Some might be back within a few years, and be able to get a green card and eventual citizenship. Honorable service in our military should lead to citizenship according to our laws and not their whims.

On your way out by self deporting, get written recommendations from your former schools and employers and what ever other references you might deem helpful. All should/would be considered in an application to immigrate, filed in your native country, and an American Embassy. Take your education from America and return to your home country for as long as necessary. While there, show how worthy of a United States citizen you would be, by helping to make your home country a better place to live, so people wouldn't have to try to invade America illegally.

Those few still in primary education (about 5%) should be given the right to stay until they are 21. But they would still have to follow the above rules.

There are 800,000 DACAs. Some are very worthy of being Americans. We welcome your legal application to immigrate. Some are CACA and we don't want you or need you. We have compassion but we are not your doormats. We welcome legal immigrants. We hate law breakers. You have never tried to work with us, always demanding more. We are trying to work with the worthy. Prove it.

cheers
DACA is CACA and we all know it. The democrats wil... (show quote)



>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Over 90% of the 800,000 DACAs are not contributing anything to the Republic, most of them are dirt bags, criminals, rapists, murderers, low wage igorant miscreants, homeless, now many are bastards without parents or just 1 parent as the other Scumbag half is gone or in jail too... who knows.

Most have no real future here anyway just like all the other Illegal Alien Scumbags... pick your color, pick your creed, pick your religion they're all the same Illegal Transplants and it's OVER !

Im' OUT

They can all get the hell outta here flat out.

No Deal.

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