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Sep 21, 2017 14:17:24   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
[quote=buffalo]Well, guess what Sassy? The government (taxpayers) is already paying 65% of US health CARE costs, Medicare, Medicaid, VA, end stage renal care, federal, state and local workers. Medicare and Medicaid alone cover 1 out of 3 Americans. That is over 120 MILLION people. Ask any old person how they like their Medicare and I can guarantee that 80% will say they like it, as compared to 48% of people with private health INSURANCE that are dissatisfied with it mainly due to it excessive cost and high deductibles. Why is this fact ignored?

Don't confuse socialized health CARE with Medicare. The doctors and medical personnel in the VA system work for and are paid by the government. VA hospitals are government owned. With Medicare, as would be a Medicare for All system, the doctors are still in private practices, or hospitalists and the hospitals are privately owned. So do not confuse single payer with socialized medicine.[/quote

If all the health care is provided through government programs, then the government can decide who is worthy of care, no matter if you can afford to buy it, YOU WON"T BE ALLOWED TO DO SO. So if you are not a "progressive" they might not give you any access to health care. That is what has happened in many countries such as Russia, Cuba and other fascist states, which we are rapidly becoming. Already you have no right to decide what care will be given to children who are not up to the "progressive" standards. Just euthanize them, which is just one step from killing babies because they are the wrong sex. That is the fascist goal of American progressives, they just haven't made official laws about it YET.

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Sep 21, 2017 14:19:02   #
Nickolai
 
vernon wrote:
Your just p o ed because trump out smarted chucky and nancy and they passed a budget and raised the debt limit.This gives the senate time to work on the health care changes we need.

now about this bullshit of killing 6 million kinds do you realize how many you idiots have killed,it's something like 60 million now who are you calling a nazi.





aborting a fetus not killing children. A fetus is not a child

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Sep 21, 2017 14:21:11   #
Nickolai
 
tdsrnest wrote:
You just cannot deny the facts can you. All you have is you're insults. How can you as a Trump supporter deny anything in that topic it's all true and based on facts. You just can't stand seeing in writing what you disgusting SOB's support.

You're killing kids you no good piece of shit. What if something like that happened to you're kid ahhhhhhhhhh people like you could give a fu$k about you're own kids. You're just a bunch of selfish cock Suckers. You could give a damm about anybody but yourself. After all you voted for the biggest selfish cock sucker that ever lived in this country.
You just cannot deny the facts can you. All you ha... (show quote)






They don't care. They only care about an unborn fetus . After they are born they don't give a shit about they can starve for all they care

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Sep 21, 2017 14:31:56   #
Nickolai
 
Sassy Lass wrote:
There is not one person in this country that is denied healthcare! Let's settle that point right here and now. If illegal immigrant Jose has a bellyache and goes to the ER for treatment, even though Jose has no health insurance, he will be treated -- and treated with respect! He will also get a bill for services rendered, like any business would do.

What we're discussing is health INSURANCE. Being insured is a CHOICE that every American has the opportunity to make. A number of younger people will hedge their bets and choose not to get health insurance. I actually had a married couple that used to work for me that chose NOT to get health insurance, saying, "I am not spending my money on that!" A choice.

I know this is hard for someone like you to understand, but health CARE and health INSURANCE are two different things.

It is like car insurance -- you purchase car insurance based on the premise that there is a CHANCE your car could be damaged or totaled in an accident, and you protect yourself accordingly based on that assumption. The same assumption could be made on healthcare insurance. People who purchase health insurance are hedging their bets.

If you're going to discuss a topic like this, don't dissemble and mislead the conversation to fit your narrative!
There is not one person in this country that is de... (show quote)










What if all the young people like the young couple you describe said, " I'm going to buy car insurance to protect my self from collision but I'm not going to include public liability or property damage that's my choice. If I run over somebody and they sue I'll just file bankruptcy. Is that the kind of society you prefer a "hurray for me and fuck you society "

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Sep 21, 2017 14:50:28   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Sassy Lass wrote:
That's who so many physician practices like Medicare so much, right? Give me a break!


My 88 year old father began having some serious health issuesw about 6 years ago. He has NEVER had any trouble with any doctors or referrals or hospitals. His 2 younger brothers are in their 80s and on Medicare and they have never had any trouble with medical CARE. This been discussed several times over the years. Give me a break!

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Sep 21, 2017 15:56:26   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
Nickolai wrote:
What if all the young people like the young couple you describe said, " I'm going to buy car insurance to protect my self from collision but I'm not going to include public liability or property damage that's my choice. If I run over somebody and they sue I'll just file bankruptcy. Is that the kind of society you prefer a "hurray for me and fuck you society "


You're so fucking stupid you burned out old acid head! I'll just leave it there because it's useless with a burned out noggin like yours anyway.

If you want your socialist utopia, move to Venezuela. Otherwise, keep your roach pinching fingers out of my wallet or you might lose them. Dude.

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Sep 21, 2017 17:28:59   #
Morgan
 
Sassy Lass wrote:
Sorry, Buffalo, I will NEVER be willing to trust the government to handle my healthcare needs well. Just look at the VA, that's what you can expect from a single payer system.


Well that's what your going to get, just through the state, which can be worse then the federal government, depends if your state is blue or red on how things turn out.

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Sep 21, 2017 18:28:43   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
pappadeux wrote:
Turdsnest is one very SICK far left bastard.


and still cannot differentiate between they're, their, and there. Still cannot get a single fact correct, ever !

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Sep 21, 2017 19:54:44   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
Regardless of tdnests idiocy, the Graham/Cassidy bill makes a mockery of healthcare. My roommate had diabetes and arthritis, I have arthritis and PTSD. Both "pre- existing conditions. Jimmy Kimmel's child with the heart condition would not be covered. Essential health benefits would not be covered.
Repair the ACA or replace it with something better, but stop with these Draconian measures!

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Sep 21, 2017 20:01:25   #
plainlogic
 
tdsrnest wrote:
You're killing kids and you don't give a shit. What if this happened to you're kid or grandchild. Damm what is it with you people you think this shit is funny and just throw out insults. If this law passes I hope in some way it hits you're family.

You AH's need to go to a Kidney transplant center, or a hart clinic. Or a cancer center, and just spend five minutes talking to kids ahhhhh it wouldn't do any good you voted for a heartless freak so why should you give a shit about a kid.

(THERE REALLY IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU HARTLESS COCK SUCKERS)
You're killing kids and you don't give a shit. Wha... (show quote)



Ok Nest, there has been 57,762,169. That's 57 million 762 thousand and 169 abortions. Now what what are the numbers you have from the conservative side for killing babies etc.

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Sep 21, 2017 20:27:44   #
plainlogic
 
tdsrnest wrote:
I just have one thing to say not one of you idiots commented on the topic. You are creating a killing field and you Ass holes are concerned about my spelling. Why not try and dispute what's in the topic. You people are sick, you claim to care about this country but you're all for throwing 31 million people off healthcare. Cut $800 billion out of Medicaid. You don't think that's going to hurt a lot of people. The Trump supporter are more concerned with spelling than trying to save a kid.

I have spent a lot time working with the national kidney foundation. Because I have a son that has been on dialysis now for two years. I attended monthly meetings at the Kidney transplant center. Over the last year I was able to get 12 people health Insurance 2 of them were kids and it was gut wrenching to see it. There parents could not afford the medication these two kids needed.
But knowing the total scope of the ACA I was able to help them.
Maybe you UN caring pieces of garbage should maybe visit some of these hospitals that have Children in them and tell me it's a great idea to put life time limits back into law, tell me pre existing conditions gets you put into a high risk pool where there are no limits as to what insurance companies can charge. Damm you people live in a cloud these kids will reach there lifetime limits before they reach the age of 12 and they will never be able to get medical insurance again.

What makes you people ignorant UN-caring ass holes is because you refuse to read the legislation you listen to Cassidy or Graham and those two are lying like hell.

So keep critiquing my spelling because none of you Trump supporters have a clue. But you're great spellers.

What there doing is nothing more than shoveling a block grant and let the states handle there own health Indurance and god forbid if you live in NC, SC, FL, LA, Al, Mississippi, Wisconsin, TN, OK, Missouri, and if you live in TX he will take that Block grant and just use it to balance his budget screw healthcare.

But all the right wing is doing is grabbing the cash out of the ACA and Medicaid so they can finance there wealthy tax cuts. It's a GD disgrace what there doing.

So yes they will be able to shout out how great it is that the right wing lowered premiums but you throw 31 million people of healthcare, throw pre existing conditions into a high risk pool and the carriers can charge anything they want and you won't be able to afford it. Then add in lifetime limits.
Congratulations right wing you're killing field just expanded.
I just have one thing to say not one of you idiots... (show quote)



The big question that always rises Nest, is, who brought this disaster to fruition? Yeah, that'd right YOUR party, Democrat, liberal, progressives who never read one iota of the disastrous bill, Obama signed on without reading it too.

Would you buy a house, a car without reading the contract? Ooops, never mind, the guy would say, Nest? just sign it, don't worry what's in it, it's just the same ole stuff, you know blah, blah, blah. Then he tells you Nest, you don't have to know what's in it until you sign it, then you'll know.

Remember the architect who drew it up? what he thought about you? His name? Johnathan Gruber... And you're upset that the GOP wants to correct the problem causes people to lose their coverage? It's not Trump, it's the Republicans in name only, also known as Democrats in hiding.

The Democrats have always done what you see here, they screw things up, throw money at it, never try to fix what they break. Then, they point fingers at anyone who tries to fix it. And you're part of the problem nest, you bobble your head up and down parroting everything you hear.. It's no wonder you get disparaged time and again. You can't help yourself in the expletives...

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Sep 21, 2017 21:20:38   #
son of witless
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Finally the GOP has a healthcare package that fits there ideology of hate. After all they will be orgasmatic when Trump Nukes North Korea, Iran, and kills 50 million, men, Women and children. He will be right up there with Hitler the right wing new hero because they support the Neo Nazies, White supremacist. Trump could possibly out due Hitler. That would make the Trump supporters ecstatic you people will be dancing in the streets. We can cancel the 4th of July and have a new holiday Trump/Hitler day.

But the real excitement for the Trump supporters. Take healthcare away from 31 million people. Now I understand why the last repeal failed it did not kill enough Kids in that one it only took away healthcare for 25 million people. But let's not forget our elderly and handicapped living in nursing homes they kept the part where they cut $800 billion from Medicaid so they got you also elderly. Isn't that wonderful they are going to kill you also.

(IT WILL BE A GREAT DAY FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS IMAGINE THEY GET TO WATCH 6 MILLION KIDS DIE)

Can you imagine the right wing method of holding public hearings on healthcare. Here is what there public hearing consist of it's actually comical but like I said 1 out of every 3 Trump supporters are just as stupid as the other two. Okay here is the public hearing.

Hearing will take place for 30 minutes at the Homeland Security meeting (now that's strange why a Homeland Security committee meeting) only two people are allowed to testify. Since Trump supporters never read legislation and I always read legislation there's no sense in me posting what's in it because I will be called a liar. No CBO report, no GAO report, no idea of the cost impact to American people, the Federal government, and most important the massive cost pushed onto the states which Trump supporters have no idea because they refuse to read legislation they just listen to the freak in the White House. (Trump quote Graham/Cassidy will be great) no details because he has no idea what's in it. There are 7 red state governors that are against this bill now. Not to mention only 12% of this country is for the repeal of the ACA and I think 50% of those idiots are on OPP.

These are the only two allowed to testify.
Lindsay Graham and Bill Cassidy and guess what the name of the bill is yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you guessed it Graham/Cassidy bill. They know exactly how to play to there base let's just go out and kill some poor kids. After all poor kids grow up to vote democratic, because democrats believe in breaking a string of poverty by feeding, educating, and medical care. Republicans believe in wealthy tax cuts, subsidies to the corporate Elite and eliminate minimum wage. What a great agenda for eliminating voter fraud. Just kill these kids before they can vote.

The following Association have come out against this Healthcare package and they have indicated that it will deny medical care to Millions. We have no way of checking this because the right wing refuses a CBO evaluation. It would only take a few days so why not do it.

I have personally donated to most of these foundations. I am sure a Trump supporter never gave a dime to anyone of them because these foundations save lives. That's not a priority to Trump supporters but a All white society and keeping there's guns are. They love guns because it's just another way of killing.

American Cancer Society, American Diabetes Asso., American Heart Asso. American Lung Asso. Arthritis foundation, Cystic Fibrosis foundation, ALS foundation, March of Dimes, Children's Hospital. I will now ask you a question do we believe the above associations and foundations or believe the three right wing morons below. I posted pictures of these people because they are you're leaders to create a new and wonderful killing field for Trump supporters.

We live in the most wealthy country in the world, the right wing talks about billions being spent on a foolish wall, eliminating inheritance taxes, cutting corporate tax rates to 15%, increase of oil and farm subsidies, eliminate the alternative Minimum tax, nuclear war with North Korea, escalate the Iraq/Afghanistan war trillions of dollars in lost funds to the Federal but these Trump supporters will deny a kid medical attention for a congenital heart disease. (HOW DOES THIS MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN)

Before you idiots start you're insults read the GD bill
Finally the GOP has a healthcare package that fits... (show quote)


" these Trump supporters will deny a kid medical attention for a congenital heart disease. (HOW DOES THIS MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN) " Your Strawman had better not smoke he will go up in flames.

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Sep 21, 2017 21:34:59   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
son of witless wrote:
" these Trump supporters will deny a kid medical attention for a congenital heart disease. (HOW DOES THIS MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN) " Your Strawman had better not smoke he will go up in flames.


A lady I know has obamacare. She needs a heart operation. She has found one surgeon competent to do the operation. The doctor WILL NOT accept the obamacare schedule of payments, so she must pay it out of pocket, $50,000. So she has a card saying she has coverage, but in fact, she does not. Just like Obama, obamacare is so much bull she'ite

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Sep 21, 2017 22:10:00   #
Morgan
 
peter11937 wrote:
A lady I know has obamacare. She needs a heart operation. She has found one surgeon competent to do the operation. The doctor WILL NOT accept the obamacare schedule of payments, so she must pay it out of pocket, $50,000. So she has a card saying she has coverage, but in fact, she does not. Just like Obama, obamacare is so much bull she'ite


Obamacare doesn't have to do with her coverage or payments, it was a market place for what each state offered, its up to the person what plan they bought, if she had lousy coverage she didn't choose a good plan. Meaning blaming the ACA is bull and a waste of time.

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Sep 21, 2017 22:31:46   #
son of witless
 
peter11937 wrote:
A lady I know has obamacare. She needs a heart operation. She has found one surgeon competent to do the operation. The doctor WILL NOT accept the obamacare schedule of payments, so she must pay it out of pocket, $50,000. So she has a card saying she has coverage, but in fact, she does not. Just like Obama, obamacare is so much bull she'ite


But but but but the Liberals say that if you have ObamaCare you will get that heart operation. Now you tell me it ain't true. I am so sad. You have devastated me. I thought it was only those dastardly Republicans who denied people heart operations. I don't know what to do. Tell me what to do.

So if the Donald trashes the Unaffordable Care Act people will die, but if he doesn't trash the Un affordable Care Act people will die ? Good thing I am not a brain dead ObamaCare believer. Go Donald go.

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