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Sep 14, 2017 12:23:25   #
KiraSeer2016
 
About two years ago, I was engaged in a sort of "Bible Study" with a member of The C of E in America. A couple of evangelical Christians, I believe, joined us one day, claiming to be "sinners". (And I am thinking, Oh no, not another one!)

At any rate, for some reason Islam came up in the conversation, one thing led to another, till these "evangelists" were claiming nothing of any significance came from Islam, and that it was only a distortion of Christianity.

And finally, I slowly stood up and said: "You, sir, are an arrogant Christian, and your historical facts are flat out wrong!" I left and have never returned.

American-Stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Cmkrym07Y

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJyqg8DEzjc

"Al Hamra", meaning, The Red One (Female).

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Sep 14, 2017 12:31:39   #
KiraSeer2016
 
These "evangelicals" are hurting Israel, not helping her.

http://medium.com/@jcweatherby_49412/its-time-to-start-calling-evangelicals-what-they-are-the-american-taliban-4a41731296e4

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Sep 14, 2017 12:48:41   #
KiraSeer2016
 
And this is also an historical fact, and I have stated it before: The Arab peoples are a proud and passionate people, with a gift of clear thinking, that made Christianity unwholesome to them. So God chose the Noble Prophet Mohammed (Peace Be Upon Him) to bring His message of monotheism and forgiveness to those people.

Haven't I said that God sends His light in different ways at different times to different peoples, according to their nature? Like the wise mother, who adjusts her nurturing to suit the nature of each of her children?

Are you still so dense, America?

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Sep 14, 2017 13:03:40   #
mwdegutis Loc: Illinois
 
gotQuestions.org
Question:
What is the difference between Christianity and Islam?

Answer: While some similarities exist between Islam and Christianity (they are both monotheistic religions, for example), their differences are clear-cut, significant, and irreconcilable. For this article, we will survey four key areas: the founders of the two religions, the contrasting views of God, the sacred literature, and the means of salvation. We will see that Islam differs from Christianity in each of those four areas.

Islam and Christianity: Founders of the Religions
Islam was founded by an Arab merchant named Muhammed about AD 622. Muhammed claimed to have received a revelation from an angel of God, and, although he initially feared his revelation had come from Satan, Muhammed later claimed to be the last and greatest of all of God’s prophets. Muhammed had fifteen wives (although he limited other men to four wives apiece) and sanctioned the beating of wives (Sura 4:34). Muhammed was well known for spreading his new religion by force. He commanded, “Fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them” (Sura 9:5), and he specified the proper way to execute an unbeliever was to cut his throat (Sura 47:4). Muhammed led raids against caravans to plunder their goods, broke oaths, ordered the murder of those who mocked him, and wiped out the last Jewish tribe in Medina—he killed all the men and enslaved the women and children. Interestingly, Muhammed acknowledged his own need to seek God’s forgiveness on occasion (Sura 40:55).

In stark contrast to the moral depravity of Muhammed, Jesus Christ was above reproach in every way (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus never married, He defended and honored women (John 8:1–11), and His law was “love one another” (John 13:34). Accordingly, Jesus never assassinated anyone, never beat a woman, never enslaved a child, never broke a promise, and never plundered a caravan. On the cross, when Jesus was mocked by those nearby, His response was, “Father, forgive them” (Luke 23:34).

Islam and Christianity: Views of God
Islam teaches that Allah, or God, is the sovereign Creator and Ruler of all that is. Muslims emphasize God’s absolute unity, which will admit of no division, and God’s will. In fact, the will of God is more basic to who He is than His love or mercy. God could choose not to be merciful, and He can choose not to love; thus, Allah’s mercy and love are not intrinsic to His nature but are choices He makes. More important than loving God—or even knowing Him—is submitting to His will. The word Islam means “submission.” According to Islam, God cannot be considered a “father” and He has no son. Allah does not love sinners (Surah 3:140).

Similar to Islam, Christianity teaches that God is the sovereign Creator and Ruler of all that is—but that is about where the similarity ends. Christians believe in one God who exists in three eternal, co-equal Persons (Father, Son, and Spirit) who share the same indivisible essence. According to Christianity, God loves because His very nature is love (1 John 4:8)—not just because He happens to choose to love. God’s essence includes the attribute of mercy, so divine displays of mercy are more than choices God makes; they are extensions of His character. God is knowable and desires a relationship with us based on love (Mark 12:30). Obeying God is important, but obedience without a relationship based on love is worthless (1 Corinthians 13:3). According to Christianity, God the Father has an eternal relationship with God the Son. God does love sinners (Romans 5:8).

Islam and Christianity: Sacred Literature
Islam holds that the Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament), the Psalms, and the Gospels were given by God—with this caveat: Jews and Christians have corrupted God’s Word and therefore Bibles cannot be fully trusted. Muslims believe that God’s final Word, the Qur’an, was miraculously given to Muhammed over a period of twenty-three years. The Qur’an, which is perfect and holy, is divided into 114 chapters called suras. In addition to the Qur’an, the Muslims have the Hadith, a collection of Muhammed’s sayings, opinions, and actions as reported by those close to him.

Biblical Christianity holds that the Old and New Testaments of the Bible are God’s inspired Word and the only authoritative rule of faith and practice. The Bible warns against adding to God’s Word (Revelation 22:18); Christians reject the Qur’an as an attempted addition to God’s Word and as a document that contradicts the Bible in many ways.

Islam and Christianity: Means of Salvation
Islam teaches a works-based salvation and in this way is similar to other man-made religions. A Muslim must keep the five pillars of Islam: he must confess the shahadah (“there is no God but Allah, and Muhammed is his prophet”); he must kneel in prayer toward Mecca five times a day; he must fast during the daylight hours one month of the year (Ramadan); he must give money to the poor; and he must make a pilgrimage to Mecca sometime in his lifetime. Islam teaches that the day of judgment will involve a person’s good and bad deeds being weighed in a balance—so the standard for judgment is one’s own actions (Surah 7:8-9; 21:47). The Qur’an forbids anyone from bearing another’s burden of sin (Surah 17:15; 35:18) and pointedly denies the death of Jesus (or Isa) on the cross (Surah 3:55; 4:157–158). If you will be saved, you must save yourself.

Christianity teaches a grace-based salvation. A person is saved by the grace (the undeserved blessing) of God, through faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8–9; Romans 10:9–10). The standard for judgment is absolute perfection—the righteousness of Christ. No one can measure up to perfection (Romans 3:23), but God in His grace and mercy has given His Son as the substitute for our sin: “When you were dead in your sins . . . God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross” (Colossians 1:13–14). We cannot save ourselves, so we turn to Christ, our sinless Savior and the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2).

Islam and Christianity, having different beliefs on essential doctrines such as God, Jesus, Scripture, and salvation, are irreconcilable. Both religions cannot be true. I believe that Jesus Christ, as presented in the Bible, is the true Son of God and Savior of mankind. “Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ” (John 1:17).

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Sep 14, 2017 13:14:48   #
KiraSeer2016
 
mwdegutis wrote:
gotQuestions.org
Question:
What is the difference between Christianity and Islam?

Answer: While some similarities exist between Islam and Christianity (they are both monotheistic religions, for example), their differences are clear-cut, significant, and irreconcilable. For this article, we will survey four key areas: the founders of the two religions, the contrasting views of God, the sacred literature, and the means of salvation. We will see that Islam differs from Christianity in each of those four areas.

Islam and Christianity: Founders of the Religions
Islam was founded by an Arab merchant named Muhammed about AD 622. Muhammed claimed to have received a revelation from an angel of God, and, although he initially feared his revelation had come from Satan, Muhammed later claimed to be the last and greatest of all of God’s prophets. Muhammed had fifteen wives (although he limited other men to four wives apiece) and sanctioned the beating of wives (Sura 4:34). Muhammed was well known for spreading his new religion by force. He commanded, “Fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them” (Sura 9:5), and he specified the proper way to execute an unbeliever was to cut his throat (Sura 47:4). Muhammed led raids against caravans to plunder their goods, broke oaths, ordered the murder of those who mocked him, and wiped out the last Jewish tribe in Medina—he killed all the men and enslaved the women and children. Interestingly, Muhammed acknowledged his own need to seek God’s forgiveness on occasion (Sura 40:55).

In stark contrast to the moral depravity of Muhammed, Jesus Christ was above reproach in every way (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus never married, He defended and honored women (John 8:1–11), and His law was “love one another” (John 13:34). Accordingly, Jesus never assassinated anyone, never beat a woman, never enslaved a child, never broke a promise, and never plundered a caravan. On the cross, when Jesus was mocked by those nearby, His response was, “Father, forgive them” (Luke 23:34).

Islam and Christianity: Views of God
Islam teaches that Allah, or God, is the sovereign Creator and Ruler of all that is. Muslims emphasize God’s absolute unity, which will admit of no division, and God’s will. In fact, the will of God is more basic to who He is than His love or mercy. God could choose not to be merciful, and He can choose not to love; thus, Allah’s mercy and love are not intrinsic to His nature but are choices He makes. More important than loving God—or even knowing Him—is submitting to His will. The word Islam means “submission.” According to Islam, God cannot be considered a “father” and He has no son. Allah does not love sinners (Surah 3:140).

Similar to Islam, Christianity teaches that God is the sovereign Creator and Ruler of all that is—but that is about where the similarity ends. Christians believe in one God who exists in three eternal, co-equal Persons (Father, Son, and Spirit) who share the same indivisible essence. According to Christianity, God loves because His very nature is love (1 John 4:8)—not just because He happens to choose to love. God’s essence includes the attribute of mercy, so divine displays of mercy are more than choices God makes; they are extensions of His character. God is knowable and desires a relationship with us based on love (Mark 12:30). Obeying God is important, but obedience without a relationship based on love is worthless (1 Corinthians 13:3). According to Christianity, God the Father has an eternal relationship with God the Son. God does love sinners (Romans 5:8).

Islam and Christianity: Sacred Literature
Islam holds that the Torah (the first five books of the Old Testament), the Psalms, and the Gospels were given by God—with this caveat: Jews and Christians have corrupted God’s Word and therefore Bibles cannot be fully trusted. Muslims believe that God’s final Word, the Qur’an, was miraculously given to Muhammed over a period of twenty-three years. The Qur’an, which is perfect and holy, is divided into 114 chapters called suras. In addition to the Qur’an, the Muslims have the Hadith, a collection of Muhammed’s sayings, opinions, and actions as reported by those close to him.

Biblical Christianity holds that the Old and New Testaments of the Bible are God’s inspired Word and the only authoritative rule of faith and practice. The Bible warns against adding to God’s Word (Revelation 22:18); Christians reject the Qur’an as an attempted addition to God’s Word and as a document that contradicts the Bible in many ways.

Islam and Christianity: Means of Salvation
Islam teaches a works-based salvation and in this way is similar to other man-made religions. A Muslim must keep the five pillars of Islam: he must confess the shahadah (“there is no God but Allah, and Muhammed is his prophet”); he must kneel in prayer toward Mecca five times a day; he must fast during the daylight hours one month of the year (Ramadan); he must give money to the poor; and he must make a pilgrimage to Mecca sometime in his lifetime. Islam teaches that the day of judgment will involve a person’s good and bad deeds being weighed in a balance—so the standard for judgment is one’s own actions (Surah 7:8-9; 21:47). The Qur’an forbids anyone from bearing another’s burden of sin (Surah 17:15; 35:18) and pointedly denies the death of Jesus (or Isa) on the cross (Surah 3:55; 4:157–158). If you will be saved, you must save yourself.

Christianity teaches a grace-based salvation. A person is saved by the grace (the undeserved blessing) of God, through faith in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 2:8–9; Romans 10:9–10). The standard for judgment is absolute perfection—the righteousness of Christ. No one can measure up to perfection (Romans 3:23), but God in His grace and mercy has given His Son as the substitute for our sin: “When you were dead in your sins . . . God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross” (Colossians 1:13–14). We cannot save ourselves, so we turn to Christ, our sinless Savior and the author and finisher of our faith (Hebrews 12:2).

Islam and Christianity, having different beliefs on essential doctrines such as God, Jesus, Scripture, and salvation, are irreconcilable. Both religions cannot be true. I believe that Jesus Christ, as presented in the Bible, is the true Son of God and Savior of mankind. “Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ” (John 1:17).
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A word of caution: never try to instruct the instructor. Never forget that it is Christianity that God holds as the most intolerant and childish of religions. Remember "The Dream of Scipio"? Never forget it.

And never comment on one of my threads again. (By the way, I felt it would be a waste of my precious time to even read your garbage.) When you get an education, we might talk.

American-Stupid.

One more thing, I believe you missed the part where I said I never returned. You really need to read deeper, and less superficially.

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Sep 14, 2017 15:03:56   #
KiraSeer2016
 
I have also said this before, but you are slow to learn, and so need reminding often:

I will not try to change your beliefs, unless I find they aggravate suffering, and do not mitigate it.

Do you understand?

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Sep 14, 2017 15:41:10   #
sweetlips
 
why not tell us how much Islam and Judaism is alike?

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Sep 14, 2017 15:51:53   #
KiraSeer2016
 
sweetlips wrote:
why not tell us how much Islam and Judaism is alike?


Why don't you just get lost? You are much too dense to comprehend.

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Sep 14, 2017 15:53:33   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 


Religious extremists are everywhere. I'm gonna have to "both sides" this issue. I don't mind those who staunchly practice, but I do have a problem with those who, as was done by the English when their policy was to "make the world England", try to push their religion down the throats of all. This applies to others as well, including atheists, homosexuals (and all LGBT's), leftist radicals like BLM, etc, etc.

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Sep 14, 2017 15:59:33   #
KiraSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Religious extremists are everywhere. I'm gonna have to "both sides" this issue. I don't mind those who staunchly practice, but I do have a problem with those who, as was done by the English when their policy was to "make the world England", try to push their religion down the throats of all. This applies to others as well, including atheists, homosexuals (and all LGBT's), leftist radicals like BLM, etc, etc.


Wasn't it God/Allah Who said: "The greatest evil in the world is the abuse of power, and all other evils derive from this evil." And imposing your own reality on others is an abuse of power, when it is not needed for the safety and security of society as a whole.

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Sep 14, 2017 16:23:51   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Wasn't it God/Allah Who said: "The greatest evil in the world is the abuse of power, and all other evils derive from this evil." And imposing your own reality on others is an abuse of power, when it is not needed for the safety and security of society as a whole.


No. That was me when I was much, much younger!

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Sep 14, 2017 16:28:21   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
Wasn't it God/Allah Who said: "The greatest evil in the world is the abuse of power, and all other evils derive from this evil." And imposing your own reality on others is an abuse of power, when it is not needed for the safety and security of society as a whole.


That same guy, me of course, said:

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
History is not a burden on the memory but an illumination of the soul.
The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.

Seriously, who actually said that kira?

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Sep 14, 2017 16:33:12   #
KiraSeer2016
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
That same guy, me of course, said:

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
History is not a burden on the memory but an illumination of the soul.
The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.

Seriously, who actually said that kira?


If you mean, who said "The abuse of power is the greatest evil in the world, and all other evils are derived from it"?

It was God, nwtk, speaking through me. And he said it to me (for the public) about seven or eight years ago.

Do you remember when I told you that Tom Hopper was "the clincher"? Because it was then, when I was about 7 or 8, that I learned about the abuse of power.

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Sep 14, 2017 16:51:57   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
If you mean, who said "The abuse of power is the greatest evil in the world, and all other evils are derived from it"?

It was God, nwtk, speaking through me. And he said it to me (for the public) about seven or eight years ago.

Do you remember when I told you that Tom Hopper was "the clincher"? Because it was then, when I was about 7 or 8, that I learned about the abuse of power.


I remember some of that. I didn't realize that God spoke to others and not just me!

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Sep 14, 2017 16:54:31   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
KiraSeer2016 wrote:
About two years ago, I was engaged in a sort of "Bible Study" with a member of The C of E in America. A couple of evangelical Christians, I believe, joined us one day, claiming to be "sinners". (And I am thinking, Oh no, not another one!)

At any rate, for some reason Islam came up in the conversation, one thing led to another, till these "evangelists" were claiming nothing of any significance came from Islam, and that it was only a distortion of Christianity.

And finally, I slowly stood up and said: "You, sir, are an arrogant Christian, and your historical facts are flat out wrong!" I left and have never returned.

American-Stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Cmkrym07Y

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhambra

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJyqg8DEzjc

"Al Hamra", meaning, The Red One (Female).
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Ur not arrogant, not very smart either.

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