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Sep 16, 2017 14:52:20   #
emarine
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
I trust you will spend a few minutes scanning these links?




Muslim Opinion Polls:
A Tiny Minority of Extremists?

Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be
unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is their destination
Quran 9:73

Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this. In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.
The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society. The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.
(These have been compiled over the years, so not all links remain active. We will continue adding to this).

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx

There are a few links below this article, here is one.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx#terror
I trust you will spend a few minutes scanning thes... (show quote)




understand & respect your position jack...but if we falsely accuse some Americans because of their religion what doe's that make us?... if we as a people elect to change our Constitution to reject Islam than I will support it... until then I will protect it @ any cost... This is what America is all about...

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Sep 16, 2017 14:59:18   #
emarine
 
bahmer wrote:
When they start eating BLT's and bacon burgers and truly pledging allegiance to America and when they truly renounce Sharia law I can maybe look at them somewhat differently but they are encouraged to lie to the infidel to win and change the world to Islam and for that reason I will never trust them and would prefer that they be shipped back to the middle east.


man the bacon burger thought has got me hunting for my George Forman grill... bacon Swiss burger... now don't start the shit... we're out of American cheese... thanks' buddy...

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Sep 16, 2017 15:03:13   #
emarine
 
peter11937 wrote:
Damned well reverse the order, verify, then verify again, then trust.



I have no problem with this given the current state of affairs ... as long as it's within our law's...

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Sep 16, 2017 15:40:58   #
bahmer
 
emarine wrote:
understand & respect your position jack...but if we falsely accuse some Americans because of their religion what doe's that make us?... if we as a people elect to change our Constitution to reject Islam than I will support it... until then I will protect it @ any cost... This is what America is all about...


The trouble with Islam is it's a geopolitical system and way of life that is disguised as a religion. It is designed for world conquest and total world control and the death of all others that are not Islam or Muslim. That is where some study and knowledge of Islam and Muhammad comes in handy and not just taking the constitution at a basic level comes in. Listen to the lady who was raised Muslim and then left her "religion" and is now spreading the truth about her "religion" to the world and believe me the Muslims hate her.

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Sep 16, 2017 15:41:55   #
DamnYANKEE
 
If memory serves me right , IZLAM was BANNED in THIS COUNTRY back then .

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Sep 16, 2017 15:44:35   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
emarine wrote:
understand & respect your position jack...but if we falsely accuse some Americans because of their religion what doe's that make us?... if we as a people elect to change our Constitution to reject Islam than I will support it... until then I will protect it @ any cost... This is what America is all about...



That's not my position. It's fair to "profile" with motivation of suspension due to the high percentage of risk. Every man stands on their own merit. I have known many people that claim to be Christian, but know nothing of what defines a Christian (they are not Christian ). The exact same applies for Muslims claiming they are Islamic. The difference is millions will lie and claim they are peaceful, only practice the good and would agree among their fellow Muslims of killing non believers.
Remember history ( not revisionist history ) during the crusades, it was Muslims trying to genocide "all" Jewish and Christians, it was Christians that fought back to defend themselves from being wiped out. (Not to be confused with acts of the Catholic Church, they are not Protestant ) and committed their own acts of murder. But nothing on the scale of the hundreds of millions killed by Islamic followers.

Keep in mind Muslims have a 1500 year track record that has not changed.

Lastly there is documentation that over 50% of Muslims agree with the caliphate (world ruled by islam) and over 50% agree with anyone not agreeing to Islam is either killed or put into slavery.
I would say that it is not a peaceful religion, and feel bad for the good people from that culture

Genuine Christians do not hate, or dislike Muslims, even to the point of praying for them. Those that speak in terms of hateful verbage, likely are not Christians or extremely immature in the faith. Speaking out to the dangers of Muslims is not hate speech or Islamophobia, that is a lie of liberalism to silence the truth

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Sep 16, 2017 15:52:44   #
Mikeyavelli
 
In war, win, and reestablish your morality during peace, when morality can exist.

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Sep 16, 2017 16:11:58   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
In war, win, and reestablish your morality during peace, when morality can exist.



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Sep 16, 2017 16:24:56   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
emarine wrote:
understand & respect your position jack...but if we falsely accuse some Americans because of their religion what doe's that make us?... if we as a people elect to change our Constitution to reject Islam than I will support it... until then I will protect it @ any cost... This is what America is all about...
Hey, E, I agree that some American Muslims, especially those of families who have been here for generations, are loyal Americans. Some have served honorably in our armed forces, but, as we have seen (US Army Major Nidal Hassan), some have not.

There are 3.5 million Muslims in the US who are citizens (1% of our population). Recent polling of Muslim American adults revealed that 51% of them prefer to live under Sharia rather than our Constitution. There's a problem with that. However, it isn't really the Muslims who have assimilated into the American culture that we must be concerned about. That number is quite small. The ones we must watch out for are the radicals who have infiltrated into our culture or who are coming here illegally with no intention of assimilating, who are hostile and may have nefarious intentions. We have already seen what radicalized Muslims in America can and will do.

The infiltration of radical Islamic groups into our culture and even our government is more widespread and insidious that many may think.

Mapping the Muslim Brotherhood in America

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Sep 16, 2017 17:03:36   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Get rid of all the Muslims in the US and let them back in one by one after extensive vetting. No costumes, no sharia law, only English. See how many would want to come back.

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Sep 16, 2017 17:27:24   #
emarine
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Hey, E, I agree that some American Muslims, especially those of families who have been here for generations, are loyal Americans. Some have served honorably in our armed forces, but, as we have seen (US Army Major Nidal Hassan), some have not.

There are 3.5 million Muslims in the US who are citizens (1% of our population). Recent polling of Muslim American adults revealed that 51% of them prefer to live under Sharia rather than our Constitution. There's a problem with that. However, it isn't really the Muslims who have assimilated into the American culture that we must be concerned about. That number is quite small. The ones we must watch out for are the radicals who have infiltrated into our culture or who are coming here illegally with no intention of assimilating, who are hostile and may have nefarious intentions. We have already seen what radicalized Muslims in America can and will do.

The infiltration of radical Islamic groups into our culture and even our government is more widespread and insidious that many may think.

Mapping the Muslim Brotherhood in America
Hey, E, I agree that some American Muslims, especi... (show quote)




This is a major problem and as long as we address it logically within reason without fear to resolve it... Fear is a luxury we can no longer afford... I can't just turn my back to my Muslim friends... I'm not built that way... My America revolves around pride not fear... Any American Muslim that is protected by our Constitution & abides by our laws I will respect until proven otherwise. same as anyone else here... but any Muslim that drops to the ground to pray in front of me blocking my path will feel the impact of my boot in his ass... America is still the best place to live...

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Sep 16, 2017 17:28:56   #
Nickolai
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
That's not my position. It's fair to "profile" with motivation of suspension due to the high percentage of risk. Every man stands on their own merit. I have known many people that claim to be Christian, but know nothing of what defines a Christian (they are not Christian ). The exact same applies for Muslims claiming they are Islamic. The difference is millions will lie and claim they are peaceful, only practice the good and would agree among their fellow Muslims of killing non believers.
Remember history ( not revisionist history ) during the crusades, it was Muslims trying to genocide "all" Jewish and Christians, it was Christians that fought back to defend themselves from being wiped out. (Not to be confused with acts of the Catholic Church, they are not Protestant ) and committed their own acts of murder. But nothing on the scale of the hundreds of millions killed by Islamic followers.

Keep in mind Muslims have a 1500 year track record that has not changed.

Lastly there is documentation that over 50% of Muslims agree with the caliphate (world ruled by islam) and over 50% agree with anyone not agreeing to Islam is either killed or put into slavery.
I would say that it is not a peaceful religion, and feel bad for the good people from that culture

Genuine Christians do not hate, or dislike Muslims, even to the point of praying for them. Those that speak in terms of hateful verbage, likely are not Christians or extremely immature in the faith. Speaking out to the dangers of Muslims is not hate speech or Islamophobia, that is a lie of liberalism to silence the truth
That's not my position. It's fair to "profil... (show quote)







The idea of a Holy War against the Muslims seemed acceptable to medieval European secular and religious powers, as well as the public in general, for a number of reasons, such as the recent military successes of European kingdoms along the Mediterranean. In addition there was the emerging political conception of Christendom, which saw the union of Christian kingdoms under Papal guidance for the first time (in the High Middle Ages) and the creation of a Christian army to fight the Muslims. It was also felt that many of the Muslim lands had previously been Christian prior to their conquest by the Islamic armies, namely those which had formed part of the Roman and Byzantine empires - Syria, Egypt, the rest of North Africa, Hispania (Spain), Cyprus, Judaea. Finally, Jerusalem, along with the surrounding lands including the places where Christ lived and died, was understandably sacred to Christians.

In 1074, Pope Gregory VII called for the milites Christi ("soldiers of Christ") to go to the aid of the Byzantine Empire in the east. The Byzantines had suffered a serious defeat at the hands of the Seljuk Turks at the Battle of Manzikert three years previously. This call, while largely ignored and even opposed, combined with the large numbers of pilgrimages to the Holy Land in the 11th century, focused a great deal of attention on the east. Preaching by monks such as Peter the Hermit and Walter the Penniless, which spread reports of Muslims abusing Christian pilgrims travelling to Jerusalem and other Middle Eastern holy sites, further stoked the crusading zeal. It was Pope Urban II who first disseminated to the general public the idea of a Crusade to capture the Holy Land. Upon hearing his dramatic and inspiring speech, the nobles and clergy in attendance began to chant the famous words, Deus vult! ("God wills it!")

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Sep 16, 2017 17:46:34   #
Mikeyavelli
 
emarine wrote:
This is a major problem and as long as we address it logically within reason without fear to resolve it... Fear is a luxury we can no longer afford... I can't just turn my back to my Muslim friends... I'm not built that way... My America revolves around pride not fear... Any American Muslim that is protected by our Constitution & abides by our laws I will respect until proven otherwise. same as anyone else here... but any Muslim that drops to the ground to pray in front of me blocking my path will feel the impact of my boot in his ass... America is still the best place to live...
This is a major problem and as long as we address ... (show quote)

That's what they count on, nobody will kick them in the ass. Nobody would dare criticize a muslim today, and they get away with murder. Murder.

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Sep 16, 2017 18:35:54   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Nickolai wrote:
The idea of a Holy War against the Muslims seemed acceptable to medieval European secular and religious powers, as well as the public in general, for a number of reasons, such as the recent military successes of European kingdoms along the Mediterranean. In addition there was the emerging political conception of Christendom, which saw the union of Christian kingdoms under Papal guidance for the first time (in the High Middle Ages) and the creation of a Christian army to fight the Muslims. It was also felt that many of the Muslim lands had previously been Christian prior to their conquest by the Islamic armies, namely those which had formed part of the Roman and Byzantine empires - Syria, Egypt, the rest of North Africa, Hispania (Spain), Cyprus, Judaea. Finally, Jerusalem, along with the surrounding lands including the places where Christ lived and died, was understandably sacred to Christians.

In 1074, Pope Gregory VII called for the milites Christi ("soldiers of Christ") to go to the aid of the Byzantine Empire in the east. The Byzantines had suffered a serious defeat at the hands of the Seljuk Turks at the Battle of Manzikert three years previously. This call, while largely ignored and even opposed, combined with the large numbers of pilgrimages to the Holy Land in the 11th century, focused a great deal of attention on the east. Preaching by monks such as Peter the Hermit and Walter the Penniless, which spread reports of Muslims abusing Christian pilgrims travelling to Jerusalem and other Middle Eastern holy sites, further stoked the crusading zeal. It was Pope Urban II who first disseminated to the general public the idea of a Crusade to capture the Holy Land. Upon hearing his dramatic and inspiring speech, the nobles and clergy in attendance began to chant the famous words, Deus vult! ("God wills it!")
The idea of a Holy War against the Muslims seemed ... (show quote)



To Christians of the time it was never a holy war, it was survival and Christians never believed it was their land, rather Jewish land, which it was.

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Sep 16, 2017 18:41:36   #
Mikeyavelli
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
To Christians of the time it was never a holy war, it was survival and Christians never believed it was their land, rather Jewish land, which it was.

It ain't no holy war now either. The obamaleft wants us to smile while the Muslims slit our throats. Make them comfortable in your own home.

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