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Sep 17, 2017 00:30:59   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Ricktloml wrote:
All these patriotic Muslims have yet to vocally and publicly condemn jihad, both violent AND civilization jihad. And it doesn't take much to radicalize, or silence ANY criticism of radical Islam with these life-long American Muslims



It is no surprise there have been Islamic mosque in America are tied to terrorist attacks, the Muslims claiming "peace". Under the veil of peaceful Muslims practicing peaceful religious practices, they plan ways to kill Americans and because of the left our government will not close down and destroy these false religious mosque.

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Sep 17, 2017 01:12:27   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Muslims are good for the planet. Turn them over in the fields and watch your crops grow.


There's a thought I can get behind.

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Sep 17, 2017 01:27:01   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
slatten49 wrote:
I found this site, regarding Muslims in the U.S. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_States

The following is just a small excerpt from the Wikipedia link:

American Revolution and thereafter

Records from the American Revolutionary War indicate that at least a few likely Muslims fought on the American side. Among the recorded names of American soldiers are "Yusuf ben Ali" (a member of the Turks of South Carolina community), "Bampett Muhamed" and possibly Peter Salem.

Letter of George Washington to Mohammed ben Abdallah in appreciation of the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, signed in 1787.

The first country to recognize the United States as an independent nation was the Sultanate of Morocco, under its ruler Mohammed ben Abdallah, in the year 1777. He maintained several correspondences with President George Washington.

While an estimated 10 to 30 percent of the slaves brought to colonial America from Africa arrived as Muslims, Islam was stringently suppressed on plantations. Prior to the late 19th century, most documented non-enslaved Muslims in North America were merchants, travelers, and sailors.

On December 9, 1805, President Thomas Jefferson hosted an Iftar dinner at the White House for his guest Sidi Soliman Mellimelli, an envoy from Tunis.

Bilali (Ben Ali) Muhammad was a Fula Muslim from Timbo, Futa-Jallon, in present-day Guinea-Conakry, who arrived at Sapelo Island during 1803. While enslaved, he became the religious leader and Imam for a slave community numbering approximately eighty Muslim men residing on his plantation. During the War of 1812, Muhammad and the eighty Muslim men under his leadership protected their master's Sapelo Island property from a British attack. He is known to have fasted during the month of Ramadan, worn a fez and kaftan, and observed the Muslim feasts, in addition to consistently performing the five obligatory prayers. In 1829, Bilali authored a thirteen-page Arabic Risala on Islamic beliefs and the rules for ablution, morning prayer, and the calls to prayer. Known as the Bilali Document, it is currently housed at the University of Georgia in Athens.

Between 1785 and 1815, over a hundred American sailors were held for ransom in Algiers. Several wrote captivity narratives of their experiences that gave most Americans their first view of the Arab World and Muslim ways, and newspapers often commented on them. The views were generally negative. Royall Tyler wrote The Algerine Captive (1797), an early American novel depicting the life of an American doctor employed in the slave trade who himself is captured and enslaved by Barbary pirates. Finally Presidents Jefferson and Madison sent the American navy to confront the pirates, and ended the threat in 1815 during the First Barbary War. During negotiation of the treaty of peace which ended hostilities, American envoys made clear that the United States had no animosity towards any Muslim country.

Nineteenth century

On the morning of April 4, 1865, near the end of the American Civil War, Union troops commanded by Col. Thomas M. Johnston set ablaze the University of Alabama; a copy of the Quran known as The Koran: Commonly Called The Alcoran Of Mohammed was saved by one of the University's staff.

Two hundred and ninety-two Muslims are known to have fought during the Civil War, including Private Mohammad Khan, who was born in Persia, raised in Afghanistan, and emigrated to the United States. The highest-ranking Muslim officer in the Union Army was Captain Moses Osman. Nicholas Said, formerly enslaved to an Arab master, came to the United States in 1860 and found a teaching job in Detroit. In 1863, Said enlisted in the 55th Massachusetts Colored Regiment in the United States Army and rose to the rank of sergeant. He was later granted a transfer to a military hospital, where he gained some knowledge of medicine. His Army records state that he died in Brownsville, Tennessee, in 1882. Another Muslim soldier from the Civil War was Max Hassan, an African who worked for the military as a porter.

Gertrudis Serna & Hadji Ali (Hi Jolly).

A Muslim named Hajj Ali (commonly spelled as "Hi Jolly") was hired by the United States Cavalry in 1856 to tend camels in Arizona and California. He would later become a prospector in Arizona. Hajj Ali died in 1903.

During the American Civil war, the "scorched earth" policy of the North destroyed churches, farms, schools, libraries, colleges, and a great deal of other property. The libraries at the University of Alabama managed to save one book from the debris of their library buildings. On the morning of April 4, 1865, when Federal troops reached the campus with an order to destroy the university, Andre Deloffre, a modern language professor and custodian of the library, appealed to the commanding officer to spare one of the finest libraries in the South. The officer, being sympathetic, sent a courier to Gen. Croxton at his headquarters in Tuscaloosa asking permission to save the Rotunda, but the general refused to allow this. The officer reportedly said, "I will save one volume as a memento of this occasion." The volume selected was a rare copy of the Qur'an.

Alexander Russell Webb is considered by historians to be the earliest prominent Anglo-American convert to Islam in 1888. In 1893, he was the sole representative of Islam at the first Parliament of the World's Religions. The Russian-born Muslim scholar and writer Achmed Abdullah (1881–1945) was another prominent early American Muslim.
I found this site, regarding Muslims in the U.S. ... (show quote)





Of more interest is the muslim ally during WW2, Germany. The Grand Mufti met hitler and corresponded with him. After the Americans moved in and the NAZIs thrwn out, they still murdered any Amwerican the caught alone. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-mufti-and-the-f-uuml-hrer

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Sep 17, 2017 09:23:17   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Kevyn wrote:
COURTESY THE INSTITUTE FOR SOCIAL POLICY AND UNDERSTANDING
Courtesy the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding

We've recently seen the results of a new study called Muslims for American Progress. Commissioned by the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding, the study is considered the first of its kind, offering a broad look at Muslim contributions to the state of Michigan. It examines the ways Muslims have improved Michiganders' lives over the last five years in such areas as engineering, civics, economic development, medicine, philanthropy, arts and even sports.


The study found that Muslims constitute about 1 percent of the U.S. population, and about 2.75 percent of Michigan's. Given the community's small size, another key finding is understandable: Most Americans say they don’t know a Muslim. And when media content analysis reports that more than 80 percent of U.S. media coverage of Islam and Muslims is negative, the report says this “opens the door for a narrow media image to distort public perceptions of this diverse community.

That's where this study works to correct many of those misperceptions, especially in our state. In fact, the study's findings demonstrate a wealth of contributions to the economic, cultural, and political life of Michigan, which has been a magnet not just for Muslims from the Middle East, but from South Asia, West Africa, and Muslim communities from around the world.


Professionally speaking, Michigan's Muslims punch well above their weight. More than 15 percent of Michigan's medical doctors are Muslim, as are more than 10 percent of all pharmacists, more than 7 percent of all dentists, 6.9 percent of podiatrists, and 6.1 percent of osteopaths. These Muslim medical professionals provide 1.6 million appointments to patients per year, indirectly support 39,987 jobs, and fill more than 15 million retail drug prescriptions annually.

Michigan Muslims also have a serious philanthropic streak. In 2015, donations from Michigan Muslims to charity totaled more than $177 million of money, 650 tons of food, 45,000 articles of clothing, 14,000 gallons of water, and much more. In fact, The average Michigan Muslim household spent 18 percent more in charity in 2015 than the average U.S. household.

When it comes to the STEM sector, where women are vastly underrepresented, holding only 24 percent of all STEM jobs in the United States, the study finds that Muslim women are leading the way to gender parity. They're also spurring new developments in their respective areas of expertise, which the study illustrates with profiles of a half-dozen Muslim women working in such areas as highway safety, robotics, computer science, particle physics, and environmental remediation.

Perhaps most interesting to the average Michigander are the statistics on business and economics. The report finds that American Muslims constitute a whopping $5.5 billion of the consumer spending to Michigan's economy. Compared to the nation generally, in 2015 Michigan Muslim households spent 20 percent more in total, including four times as much on education and twice as much on apparel and services. For that same year, the report finds that Muslims owned at least 35,835 businesses in Michigan, about 4.18 percent of all small businesses in the state, employing approximately 100,000 Michiganders.

The report finds a community that, far from being the threatening caricature often presented in mass media, is not only generous, industrious, creative, and skilled, but also extremely diverse.
COURTESY THE INSTITUTE FOR SOCIAL POLICY AND UNDER... (show quote)


82% of all medical insurance fraud has been from MUSLIM DOCTORS in the USA.
95+ percent of all terrorist attacks world wide are from MUSLIMS.
And then we have some PUKE idiot like you that thinks they are just MARVY.
Take a trip to your so called Michigan Dearborn and take a stroll downtown at night and film it and send off film digitally as you are live streaming it...before they snatch your pathetic pencil neck up and make you the next murdered victim.

Your figures about Muslims adding to any economy are off by about 80 percent as well. They do not add shit to any economy...they are mostly on welfare, you dip stick. Puke minded faggots like you are merely good moving targets and that is it.

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Sep 17, 2017 09:27:12   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
It is no surprise there have been Islamic mosque in America are tied to terrorist attacks, the Muslims claiming "peace". Under the veil of peaceful Muslims practicing peaceful religious practices, they plan ways to kill Americans and because of the left our government will not close down and destroy these false religious mosque.


They all deserve NOTHING but deportation. How simple is it to see they are so frigging messed up they can't even stand to stay in their own Nations because they are a VIOLENT RACE of GARBAGE!

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Sep 17, 2017 09:59:44   #
wuzblynd Loc: thomson georgia
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
Muslims have the highest respect for camels. Some of them are close relatives.






Now that's just trashy right there now!!!! Probably quite true, but dam that's trashy......

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Sep 17, 2017 11:05:53   #
Ricktloml
 
America Only wrote:
82% of all medical insurance fraud has been from MUSLIM DOCTORS in the USA.
95+ percent of all terrorist attacks world wide are from MUSLIMS.
And then we have some PUKE idiot like you that thinks they are just MARVY.
Take a trip to your so called Michigan Dearborn and take a stroll downtown at night and film it and send off film digitally as you are live streaming it...before they snatch your pathetic pencil neck up and make you the next murdered victim.

Your figures about Muslims adding to any economy are off by about 80 percent as well. They do not add shit to any economy...they are mostly on welfare, you dip stick. Puke minded faggots like you are merely good moving targets and that is it.
82% of all medical insurance fraud has been from M... (show quote)


Well, Muslims do need slaves and servants since they consider ALL non Muslims infidels, people like Kevin will fit that bill nicely

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Sep 17, 2017 11:29:55   #
Ricktloml
 
kankune wrote:
Seems like now, it's about OUR survival.....in our own country at that!




Exactly right. Islam has repeatedly and publicly stated that their goal is the DESTRUCTION of Western civilization, it is a goal that has not changed in close to 1500 years. Many American Muslims claim to reject violent jihad, but when it comes to stealth, civilization jihad, they are quietly on board.Those who deny that BOTH sides of jihad exist and defend the incremental eating away at our very core are complicit in the damage caused. In any war, (and when a well organized group calls for your destruction and takes action to destroy you, you are at war,) when an enemy is captured he is respectfully treated as a human being by Western civilization laws and norms, but his humane treatment does not negate the fact that he IS still the enemy and needs to be considered as such. Muslims are prohibited from having infidel friends, they CAN be friendly TO infidels until called upon to kill or enslave them, but true friendship is prohibited if you are a devout, (not radical) Muslim, the fact that over 50% of American Muslims believe Sharia is better than the Constitution should say a lot, and it should open eyes, because if over 50% will admit that, it is more than likely the number of Muslims loyal to Sharia INSTEAD of the Constitution is actually much higher.

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Sep 17, 2017 11:50:37   #
bahmer
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Exactly right. Islam has repeatedly and publicly stated that their goal is the DESTRUCTION of Western civilization, it is a goal that has not changed in close to 1500 years. Many American Muslims claim to reject violent jihad, but when it comes to stealth, civilization jihad, they are quietly on board.Those who deny that BOTH sides of jihad exist and defend the incremental eating away at our very core are complicit in the damage caused. In any war, (and when a well organized group calls for your destruction and takes action to destroy you, you are at war,) when an enemy is captured he is respectfully treated as a human being by Western civilization laws and norms, but his humane treatment does not negate the fact that he IS still the enemy and needs to be considered as such. Muslims are prohibited from having infidel friends, they CAN be friendly TO infidels until called upon to kill or enslave them, but true friendship is prohibited if you are a devout, (not radical) Muslim, the fact that over 50% of American Muslims believe Sharia is better than the Constitution should say a lot, and it should open eyes, because if over 50% will admit that, it is more than likely the number of Muslims loyal to Sharia INSTEAD of the Constitution is actually much higher.
Exactly right. Islam has repeatedly and publicly s... (show quote)


True very very true.

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Sep 17, 2017 13:30:38   #
emarine
 
Ricktloml wrote:
All these patriotic Muslims have yet to vocally and publicly condemn jihad, both violent AND civilization jihad. And it doesn't take much to radicalize, or silence ANY criticism of radical Islam with these life-long American Muslims





There used to be a law that stated ...innocent until proven guilty ... that has all changed after 911 especially concerning Muslims... It's not that I don't understand your points & for the most part & agree concerning new immigration but our laws were intended to protect "ALL" American citizens... You either support our Constitution or appeal for a change... this is better understood if you put yourself in an American Muslim shoes... I'm not a Muslim by any means but an Independent American who honors our laws & concepts of what America should be... this is a huge issue here @ home witnessing what's happening in Europe... America should never change to accommodate foreigners... they must adapt if they choose to live here...If they desire Shira law they are free to leave & find it somewhere else... but we must not unjustly condemn All Muslims for being Muslim... that's not how America rolls...for the most part the Patriot Act has already stripped many protections to begin with allowing the Feds to do what they deem necessary whether just or not ... Mob rule generated from fear is not what we are all about...looking abroad, with James Mattis @ the helm all that's required is faith not fear...

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Sep 17, 2017 15:27:27   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Exactly right. Islam has repeatedly and publicly stated that their goal is the DESTRUCTION of Western civilization, it is a goal that has not changed in close to 1500 years. Many American Muslims claim to reject violent jihad, but when it comes to stealth, civilization jihad, they are quietly on board.Those who deny that BOTH sides of jihad exist and defend the incremental eating away at our very core are complicit in the damage caused. In any war, (and when a well organized group calls for your destruction and takes action to destroy you, you are at war,) when an enemy is captured he is respectfully treated as a human being by Western civilization laws and norms, but his humane treatment does not negate the fact that he IS still the enemy and needs to be considered as such. Muslims are prohibited from having infidel friends, they CAN be friendly TO infidels until called upon to kill or enslave them, but true friendship is prohibited if you are a devout, (not radical) Muslim, the fact that over 50% of American Muslims believe Sharia is better than the Constitution should say a lot, and it should open eyes, because if over 50% will admit that, it is more than likely the number of Muslims loyal to Sharia INSTEAD of the Constitution is actually much higher.
Exactly right. Islam has repeatedly and publicly s... (show quote)

So true Rick. Great insightful post....

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Sep 17, 2017 15:47:29   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
emarine wrote:
There used to be a law that stated ...innocent until proven guilty ... that has all changed after 911 especially concerning Muslims... It's not that I don't understand your points & for the most part & agree concerning new immigration but our laws were intended to protect "ALL" American citizens... You either support our Constitution or appeal for a change... this is better understood if you put yourself in an American Muslim shoes... I'm not a Muslim by any means but an Independent American who honors our laws & concepts of what America should be... this is a huge issue here @ home witnessing what's happening in Europe... America should never change to accommodate foreigners... they must adapt if they choose to live here...If they desire Shira law they are free to leave & find it somewhere else... but we must not unjustly condemn All Muslims for being Muslim... that's not how America rolls...for the most part the Patriot Act has already stripped many protections to begin with allowing the Feds to do what they deem necessary whether just or not ... Mob rule generated from fear is not what we are all about...looking abroad, with James Mattis @ the helm all that's required is faith not fear...
There used to be a law that stated ...innocent unt... (show quote)


Faith you say? I have faith in the USA and NOT in some frigging nightmare society like what has already SWARMED the entire EU for the most part. Muslims? GO! All of them including their children. The are all like cockroaches. ALL of them. Do not think anything aside from the damned TRUTH!

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Sep 17, 2017 16:30:04   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
emarine wrote:
There used to be a law that stated ...innocent until proven guilty ... that has all changed after 911 especially concerning Muslims... It's not that I don't understand your points & for the most part & agree concerning new immigration but our laws were intended to protect "ALL" American citizens... You either support our Constitution or appeal for a change... this is better understood if you put yourself in an American Muslim shoes... I'm not a Muslim by any means but an Independent American who honors our laws & concepts of what America should be... this is a huge issue here @ home witnessing what's happening in Europe... America should never change to accommodate foreigners... they must adapt if they choose to live here...If they desire Shira law they are free to leave & find it somewhere else... but we must not unjustly condemn All Muslims for being Muslim... that's not how America rolls...for the most part the Patriot Act has already stripped many protections to begin with allowing the Feds to do what they deem necessary whether just or not ... Mob rule generated from fear is not what we are all about...looking abroad, with James Mattis @ the helm all that's required is faith not fear...
There used to be a law that stated ...innocent unt... (show quote)



I agree with you in part. The glaring issue is most every single emigrant Is Not Vetted. That includes Russians (many released from Russian prisons), South Americans (many cartel, gang), Asian (triad) , African countries (extremist ).

I don't believe we would be having this conversation if we had been doing the policies and following the laws that we did in America's earlier years as a nation, that changed in the 60's. If one could not support themselves. Or have a specialized trade, they could not enter America. Since drugs and radical extremist have now entered America, it is vital to enter our borders the same policies and existing laws be followed, plus 100% vetting or no entry period.

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Sep 17, 2017 18:21:29   #
Ricktloml
 
emarine wrote:
There used to be a law that stated ...innocent until proven guilty ... that has all changed after 911 especially concerning Muslims... It's not that I don't understand your points & for the most part & agree concerning new immigration but our laws were intended to protect "ALL" American citizens... You either support our Constitution or appeal for a change... this is better understood if you put yourself in an American Muslim shoes... I'm not a Muslim by any means but an Independent American who honors our laws & concepts of what America should be... this is a huge issue here @ home witnessing what's happening in Europe... America should never change to accommodate foreigners... they must adapt if they choose to live here...If they desire Shira law they are free to leave & find it somewhere else... but we must not unjustly condemn All Muslims for being Muslim... that's not how America rolls...for the most part the Patriot Act has already stripped many protections to begin with allowing the Feds to do what they deem necessary whether just or not ... Mob rule generated from fear is not what we are all about...looking abroad, with James Mattis @ the helm all that's required is faith not fear...
There used to be a law that stated ...innocent unt... (show quote)


Innocent until proven guilty is still the law of the land (unless you are a conservative of course being constantly smeared) and one would hope every court room practices it. No one is saying every single Muslim is a terrorist, but what you are suggesting is that we call millions of Muslims liars. Their goal has been world conquest by the sword and deceit for centuries. You seem to think that publicly and repeatedly stating they want our destruction, and then backing it up by piracy, slave taking and extortion when the U.S. was young, allying themselves with Nazis, fascists and totalitarian systems during World War II, and in modern times high-jackings, flying planes into buildings, beheadings and murdering people all in the name of Allah somehow lacks evidence of their true purpose. And that is of course only the violent, terrorist jihad. There is still the stealth civilization jihad using propaganda, the buying of influence with politicians and donations to universities to promote Islam, along with litigation to try to force any criticism of Islam to cease, or financially break those who would try. And deceit is central to achieving their goals. I guess you don't consider ANY of these things as evidence of their repeatedly stated intent. Do you require a judge to render a verdict on jihad to make it real. Everyone should get the benefit of the doubt, at least once, but we are way past doubt with Islamic jihad.

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Sep 17, 2017 18:50:15   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Innocent until proven guilty is still the law of the land (unless you are a conservative of course being constantly smeared) and one would hope every court room practices it. No one is saying every single Muslim is a terrorist, but what you are suggesting is that we call millions of Muslims liars. Their goal has been world conquest by the sword and deceit for centuries. You seem to think that publicly and repeatedly stating they want our destruction, and then backing it up by piracy, slave taking and extortion when the U.S. was young, allying themselves with Nazis, fascists and totalitarian systems during World War II, and in modern times high-jackings, flying planes into buildings, beheadings and murdering people all in the name of Allah somehow lacks evidence of their true purpose. And that is of course only the violent, terrorist jihad. There is still the stealth civilization jihad using propaganda, the buying of influence with politicians and donations to universities to promote Islam, along with litigation to try to force any criticism of Islam to cease, or financially break those who would try. And deceit is central to achieving their goals. I guess you don't consider ANY of these things as evidence of their repeatedly stated intent. Do you require a judge to render a verdict on jihad to make it real. Everyone should get the benefit of the doubt, at least once, but we are way past doubt with Islamic jihad.
Innocent until proven guilty is still the law of t... (show quote)



This reminds me of the many times leaders of Iran publicly stated they want and will wipe Israel off the map. Yet liberals try defending Iran, claiming they are angry with the actions of America, but are peaceful people and it is only the feelings of the leader, none of the people.
The burning of of American flags by the many protest with hundreds of thousands of Iranians many holding signs "death to America " and "Death to Israel " is not proof. These protest have covered several decades, meaning the vitriol hate towards America and Americans covers many generations. Liberals are lead by dark forces, demonic forces and blinded to the truth.
Perhaps dropping a few dozen liberals off in different areas of Iran wearing U.S.A. T-Shirts, with live video feeds broadcasted on CNN MSN, would help remove the scales covering liberals eyes as they see their liberal brothers being burned alive, or their heads cut off with a dull saw, beaten and raped by the peaceful Muslims in Iran.

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