The futility and fatality of Atheism
Aug 24, 2017 01:32:36 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
I found this article while searching for something else, I found it interesting so I thought I would share it with anyone who might be interested.
From the beginning of time man has believed in a creator, as we can see many religions have been upon this ancient belief. The fact that many religions have pagan beliefs and practices does not negate the point that man has been a religious being and that atheism has only grown to what it is in the last few centuries.
So why is Atheism philosophically bankrupt? The problem with the philosophy of atheism is that it does not go back far enough to arrive at a logical conclusion
If there was a time when nothing existed what made it change. Some claim two gases collided - but they cannot explain where did the gases from? How did they collide, why are there two gases and not one. Where were they before they combined. How long did they exist before they caused a big bang What did they exist in before a universe was there?
Can this be proven by reality today or in anytime in history? To the atheists there is always a substance there to create another, such as a self existing universe. Thus they themselves are creating the reasons for a beginning. Much has to be assumed to come to the conclusions they hold. The majority of scientists today are of the opinion that the universe actually began to exist at a certain time, so this theory can be discarded.
The late Carl Sagan said, “If we must worship a power greater than ourselves, does it not make sense to revere the Sun and stars?” (Carl Sagan, Cosmos (Random House, 1980), p.243.) Does it make sense to worship another created thing? Out of necessity they have manufactured something with the power of existence beside what is created, as a replacement for God the creator.
For example, I have a book, but the book needed a pen to be used to first write its contents (or computer program) but you still needed an intelligence to use the pen to write the book. No intelligence no pen and no book. But atheists want us to believe the pen and book came into being from nothing. This does seem to stretch ones credulity.
Reality teaches us that all things that exist have their existence depend upon other things. If there was nothing; what did not exist, then it cannot be the cause of its own existence, nor of anything else. How could it bring itself into being if it does not exist? Therefore, our reality of life teaches that all things great and small depend upon something else for their existence.
The universe, our earth is filled with natural laws, which means that something orchestrated these laws for the things to exist.
Science cannot explain how life began or what life is. What are the chances of life coming from non life? Has anyone seen anything come from nothing?
Even the bible does not teach something came from nothing but that God is the creator, He initiated all that is seen and unseen to exist. As incomprehensible this is to the human mind that a being exists with such power to draw out the cosmos galaxy to galaxy that it is nearly incomprehensible to measure the vastness, that is what we are confronted with.
Only with a crises of faith in Christianity has it opened the door for young people to be corralled in with a philosophy of no hope. No doubt the failings of certain Christian ministers have given a boost to those who take “there is no God” position. But if we were to use this same standard then those who failed in sports taking drugs for enhancement or those who cheat in marriage would negate these as well. In fact you cannot find anything of man that is pristine without flaw.
Atheist insist that a miracle is simply a natural occurrence which science has not found an explanation for yet. Reminds me of their argument of the beginning of the universe… we don’t really know what began it but we are sure it can’t be God. With intelligent arguments like these its no wonder everyone has not converted. While they use arguments to blame religions for all the wars committed we should not forget that Karl Marx once a professed Christianity and turned to atheism. Calling it “scientific materialism,” his communism believed nothing existed except the physical world. Which would only be what the eye could. But everything that is seen is made of things unseen. “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse...” (Romans 1:20). Was this a estimated guess, or imagination for the apostle Paul to write such an exact observation of our modern science nearly 2,000 years ago?
The “mathematics, upon which all other science rests, irrefutably disproves both Atheism and evolution. We need a brief review of math in order to proceed. For example, ten to the second power is expressed as 102. It means 10 squared, which is 100. Ten to the 4th power (104) is not twice as much as 102, it is actually 100 times larger. So 104 means one with 4 zeroes after it. The “2” and “4” are called exponents. Thus 108 means one with 8 zeros after it. It is not twice 104 but 10,000 times greater (i.e., add four more zeroes). This is what is known as increasing “exponentially.” The numbers quickly become too large to comprehend.
This is why huge numbers must be expressed by exponents. It is much easier to write 1010 than to write 10,000,000,000; easier to write 1050 than to write a one with 50 zeroes after it. Imagine trying to multiply such numbers! But expressed exponentially, it is easy to multiply. One simply adds the exponents. Thus 103 (1,000) multiplied by 106 (1,000,000) equals 109 (1,000,000,000).
To show how things increase exponentially, suppose you tear in half a piece of paper, put one piece on top of the other and tear the two in half, then keep doing this 50 times. Think this could be done by hand? No! The number of resulting pieces is expressed mathematically as 250. If the paper was 1/500th of an inch thick, multiplying that thickness times 250 tells how tall the stack of paper would be. Any guesses? It would be nearly 35,539,770 miles high!
When it comes to life, the mathematics become even more impossible to imagine.”
(Faith Is Strengthened by Challenge Hunt, Dave May 1, 2008)
Atheists are so offended by the word God they are bent on removing all manger scenes and crosses from public places, anything that would refer to God or the Bible. Yet they seem to ignore all the OTHER religions i.e Islam. But Christianity is the focus of their belligerence.
There are some atheists that are leading the charge that are ingenious dimwits Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens. Militant Musers that have invented schemes to convince the naïve and uneducated the possibility of the impossible. Preaching to their own choir, which cannot recognize how out of tune they are with reality.
A-theism (atheism) is an absence of a belief in God but people deny many things in life that do not suit their worldview but this does not make them right. Atheists ask how can we know that God exists? How do I know that atheists exist? Because they have proven their existence, how? By writing, by communicating to certain people. This is the same we can see for God, he put order in nature, down to the minutest particles, the DNA. He had communicated to certain people and gave them a consistent revelation of himself.
The Creator made man gave him the ability to think and make decisions. This ability makes him morally responsible to the one He depends on - God. Atheism tries to escape this responsibility
The atheists deny there is any purpose or meaning to life except what we assign to it.
Richard Dawkins says, “Faith is one of the world’s great evils....(It is) belief that isn’t based on evidence (and) the principal vice of any religion.”
Yet atheists use a type of "faith" each day. They must trust the pilot whose plane they get on – the doctor if they are on a operating table. Even while driving their car on the road they must trust traffic signals and other drivers. What evidence do they have that all these things will function without a problem when they do not 100% of the time. So it is really about trusting what they cannot see and not rely only on their own senses.
When you look at a building you do not see the builders but you know there had to be someone who built and someone designed it.
Look into the sky at night: how far it extends, far beyond what can be seen by the eye or a telescope.
Ps 19:1-4 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line has gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun."
Seeing is believing to an atheist. Even Charles Darwin was perplexed over the eye… “To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable (matchless) contrivances (plans) for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree” (Charles Darwin, 1859, The Origin of Species p. 217)
What of our DNA, the building blocks of life. One cell contains approximately the same amount as1,000 500 page books. DNA is so small that if it was like a thin wire, it would stretch out around the circumference of the earth over 30 times. And all this contains information for the make up of life.
Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling, “Just one living cell in the human body is, more complex than New York City”(Dave Hunt, In Defense of the Faith, p.22)
Psalm 94:8-9: “Understand, you senseless among the people; And you fools, when will you be wise? He who planted the ear, shall He not hear? He who formed the eye, shall He not see?”
David Hume a skeptic of Christianity said, “I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything might arise without a cause.” All things have a cause except those things that are uncaused, which would be the originator and would be of necessity eternally existing.
Can an inanimate, unintelligent, something produce an intelligent unique living creature(s)? Can this it, plus chance, plus time actually bring forth something so complex, so unique and so intelligent to have the ability to also create.
Or is it the way the Bible states:
Gen. 1:27: “So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
I will leave that for you to decide.
From the beginning of time man has believed in a creator, as we can see many religions have been upon this ancient belief. The fact that many religions have pagan beliefs and practices does not negate the point that man has been a religious being and that atheism has only grown to what it is in the last few centuries.
So why is Atheism philosophically bankrupt? The problem with the philosophy of atheism is that it does not go back far enough to arrive at a logical conclusion
If there was a time when nothing existed what made it change. Some claim two gases collided - but they cannot explain where did the gases from? How did they collide, why are there two gases and not one. Where were they before they combined. How long did they exist before they caused a big bang What did they exist in before a universe was there?
Can this be proven by reality today or in anytime in history? To the atheists there is always a substance there to create another, such as a self existing universe. Thus they themselves are creating the reasons for a beginning. Much has to be assumed to come to the conclusions they hold. The majority of scientists today are of the opinion that the universe actually began to exist at a certain time, so this theory can be discarded.
The late Carl Sagan said, “If we must worship a power greater than ourselves, does it not make sense to revere the Sun and stars?” (Carl Sagan, Cosmos (Random House, 1980), p.243.) Does it make sense to worship another created thing? Out of necessity they have manufactured something with the power of existence beside what is created, as a replacement for God the creator.
For example, I have a book, but the book needed a pen to be used to first write its contents (or computer program) but you still needed an intelligence to use the pen to write the book. No intelligence no pen and no book. But atheists want us to believe the pen and book came into being from nothing. This does seem to stretch ones credulity.
Reality teaches us that all things that exist have their existence depend upon other things. If there was nothing; what did not exist, then it cannot be the cause of its own existence, nor of anything else. How could it bring itself into being if it does not exist? Therefore, our reality of life teaches that all things great and small depend upon something else for their existence.
The universe, our earth is filled with natural laws, which means that something orchestrated these laws for the things to exist.
Science cannot explain how life began or what life is. What are the chances of life coming from non life? Has anyone seen anything come from nothing?
Even the bible does not teach something came from nothing but that God is the creator, He initiated all that is seen and unseen to exist. As incomprehensible this is to the human mind that a being exists with such power to draw out the cosmos galaxy to galaxy that it is nearly incomprehensible to measure the vastness, that is what we are confronted with.
Only with a crises of faith in Christianity has it opened the door for young people to be corralled in with a philosophy of no hope. No doubt the failings of certain Christian ministers have given a boost to those who take “there is no God” position. But if we were to use this same standard then those who failed in sports taking drugs for enhancement or those who cheat in marriage would negate these as well. In fact you cannot find anything of man that is pristine without flaw.
Atheist insist that a miracle is simply a natural occurrence which science has not found an explanation for yet. Reminds me of their argument of the beginning of the universe… we don’t really know what began it but we are sure it can’t be God. With intelligent arguments like these its no wonder everyone has not converted. While they use arguments to blame religions for all the wars committed we should not forget that Karl Marx once a professed Christianity and turned to atheism. Calling it “scientific materialism,” his communism believed nothing existed except the physical world. Which would only be what the eye could. But everything that is seen is made of things unseen. “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse...” (Romans 1:20). Was this a estimated guess, or imagination for the apostle Paul to write such an exact observation of our modern science nearly 2,000 years ago?
The “mathematics, upon which all other science rests, irrefutably disproves both Atheism and evolution. We need a brief review of math in order to proceed. For example, ten to the second power is expressed as 102. It means 10 squared, which is 100. Ten to the 4th power (104) is not twice as much as 102, it is actually 100 times larger. So 104 means one with 4 zeroes after it. The “2” and “4” are called exponents. Thus 108 means one with 8 zeros after it. It is not twice 104 but 10,000 times greater (i.e., add four more zeroes). This is what is known as increasing “exponentially.” The numbers quickly become too large to comprehend.
This is why huge numbers must be expressed by exponents. It is much easier to write 1010 than to write 10,000,000,000; easier to write 1050 than to write a one with 50 zeroes after it. Imagine trying to multiply such numbers! But expressed exponentially, it is easy to multiply. One simply adds the exponents. Thus 103 (1,000) multiplied by 106 (1,000,000) equals 109 (1,000,000,000).
To show how things increase exponentially, suppose you tear in half a piece of paper, put one piece on top of the other and tear the two in half, then keep doing this 50 times. Think this could be done by hand? No! The number of resulting pieces is expressed mathematically as 250. If the paper was 1/500th of an inch thick, multiplying that thickness times 250 tells how tall the stack of paper would be. Any guesses? It would be nearly 35,539,770 miles high!
When it comes to life, the mathematics become even more impossible to imagine.”
(Faith Is Strengthened by Challenge Hunt, Dave May 1, 2008)
Atheists are so offended by the word God they are bent on removing all manger scenes and crosses from public places, anything that would refer to God or the Bible. Yet they seem to ignore all the OTHER religions i.e Islam. But Christianity is the focus of their belligerence.
There are some atheists that are leading the charge that are ingenious dimwits Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens. Militant Musers that have invented schemes to convince the naïve and uneducated the possibility of the impossible. Preaching to their own choir, which cannot recognize how out of tune they are with reality.
A-theism (atheism) is an absence of a belief in God but people deny many things in life that do not suit their worldview but this does not make them right. Atheists ask how can we know that God exists? How do I know that atheists exist? Because they have proven their existence, how? By writing, by communicating to certain people. This is the same we can see for God, he put order in nature, down to the minutest particles, the DNA. He had communicated to certain people and gave them a consistent revelation of himself.
The Creator made man gave him the ability to think and make decisions. This ability makes him morally responsible to the one He depends on - God. Atheism tries to escape this responsibility
The atheists deny there is any purpose or meaning to life except what we assign to it.
Richard Dawkins says, “Faith is one of the world’s great evils....(It is) belief that isn’t based on evidence (and) the principal vice of any religion.”
Yet atheists use a type of "faith" each day. They must trust the pilot whose plane they get on – the doctor if they are on a operating table. Even while driving their car on the road they must trust traffic signals and other drivers. What evidence do they have that all these things will function without a problem when they do not 100% of the time. So it is really about trusting what they cannot see and not rely only on their own senses.
When you look at a building you do not see the builders but you know there had to be someone who built and someone designed it.
Look into the sky at night: how far it extends, far beyond what can be seen by the eye or a telescope.
Ps 19:1-4 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line has gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun."
Seeing is believing to an atheist. Even Charles Darwin was perplexed over the eye… “To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable (matchless) contrivances (plans) for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree” (Charles Darwin, 1859, The Origin of Species p. 217)
What of our DNA, the building blocks of life. One cell contains approximately the same amount as1,000 500 page books. DNA is so small that if it was like a thin wire, it would stretch out around the circumference of the earth over 30 times. And all this contains information for the make up of life.
Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling, “Just one living cell in the human body is, more complex than New York City”(Dave Hunt, In Defense of the Faith, p.22)
Psalm 94:8-9: “Understand, you senseless among the people; And you fools, when will you be wise? He who planted the ear, shall He not hear? He who formed the eye, shall He not see?”
David Hume a skeptic of Christianity said, “I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything might arise without a cause.” All things have a cause except those things that are uncaused, which would be the originator and would be of necessity eternally existing.
Can an inanimate, unintelligent, something produce an intelligent unique living creature(s)? Can this it, plus chance, plus time actually bring forth something so complex, so unique and so intelligent to have the ability to also create.
Or is it the way the Bible states:
Gen. 1:27: “So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
I will leave that for you to decide.
Aug 24, 2017 02:43:13 #
[quote=Pennylynn]I found this article while searching for something else, I found it interesting so I thought I would share it with anyone who might be interested.
From the beginning of time man has believed in a creator, as we can see many religions have been upon this ancient belief. The fact that many religions have pagan beliefs and practices does not negate the point that man has been a religious being and that atheism has only grown to what it is in the last few centuries.
So why is Atheism philosophically bankrupt? The problem with the philosophy of atheism is that it does not go back far enough to arrive at a logical conclusion
If there was a time when nothing existed what made it change. Some claim two gases collided - but they cannot explain where did the gases from? How did they collide, why are there two gases and not one. Where were they before they combined. How long did they exist before they caused a big bang What did they exist in before a universe was there?
Can this be proven by reality today or in anytime in history? To the atheists there is always a substance there to create another, such as a self existing universe. Thus they themselves are creating the reasons for a beginning. Much has to be assumed to come to the conclusions they hold. The majority of scientists today are of the opinion that the universe actually began to exist at a certain time, so this theory can be discarded.
The late Carl Sagan said, “If we must worship a power greater than ourselves, does it not make sense to revere the Sun and stars?” (Carl Sagan, Cosmos (Random House, 1980), p.243.) Does it make sense to worship another created thing? Out of necessity they have manufactured something with the power of existence beside what is created, as a replacement for God the creator.
For example, I have a book, but the book needed a pen to be used to first write its contents (or computer program) but you still needed an intelligence to use the pen to write the book. No intelligence no pen and no book. But atheists want us to believe the pen and book came into being from nothing. This does seem to stretch ones credulity.
Reality teaches us that all things that exist have their existence depend upon other things. If there was nothing; what did not exist, then it cannot be the cause of its own existence, nor of anything else. How could it bring itself into being if it does not exist? Therefore, our reality of life teaches that all things great and small depend upon something else for their existence.
The universe, our earth is filled with natural laws, which means that something orchestrated these laws for the things to exist.
Science cannot explain how life began or what life is. What are the chances of life coming from non life? Has anyone seen anything come from nothing?
Even the bible does not teach something came from nothing but that God is the creator, He initiated all that is seen and unseen to exist. As incomprehensible this is to the human mind that a being exists with such power to draw out the cosmos galaxy to galaxy that it is nearly incomprehensible to measure the vastness, that is what we are confronted with.
Only with a crises of faith in Christianity has it opened the door for young people to be corralled in with a philosophy of no hope. No doubt the failings of certain Christian ministers have given a boost to those who take “there is no God” position. But if we were to use this same standard then those who failed in sports taking drugs for enhancement or those who cheat in marriage would negate these as well. In fact you cannot find anything of man that is pristine without flaw.
Atheist insist that a miracle is simply a natural occurrence which science has not found an explanation for yet. Reminds me of their argument of the beginning of the universe… we don’t really know what began it but we are sure it can’t be God. With intelligent arguments like these its no wonder everyone has not converted. While they use arguments to blame religions for all the wars committed we should not forget that Karl Marx once a professed Christianity and turned to atheism. Calling it “scientific materialism,” his communism believed nothing existed except the physical world. Which would only be what the eye could. But everything that is seen is made of things unseen. “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse...” (Romans 1:20). Was this a estimated guess, or imagination for the apostle Paul to write such an exact observation of our modern science nearly 2,000 years ago?
The “mathematics, upon which all other science rests, irrefutably disproves both Atheism and evolution. We need a brief review of math in order to proceed. For example, ten to the second power is expressed as 102. It means 10 squared, which is 100. Ten to the 4th power (104) is not twice as much as 102, it is actually 100 times larger. So 104 means one with 4 zeroes after it. The “2” and “4” are called exponents. Thus 108 means one with 8 zeros after it. It is not twice 104 but 10,000 times greater (i.e., add four more zeroes). This is what is known as increasing “exponentially.” The numbers quickly become too large to comprehend.
This is why huge numbers must be expressed by exponents. It is much easier to write 1010 than to write 10,000,000,000; easier to write 1050 than to write a one with 50 zeroes after it. Imagine trying to multiply such numbers! But expressed exponentially, it is easy to multiply. One simply adds the exponents. Thus 103 (1,000) multiplied by 106 (1,000,000) equals 109 (1,000,000,000).
To show how things increase exponentially, suppose you tear in half a piece of paper, put one piece on top of the other and tear the two in half, then keep doing this 50 times. Think this could be done by hand? No! The number of resulting pieces is expressed mathematically as 250. If the paper was 1/500th of an inch thick, multiplying that thickness times 250 tells how tall the stack of paper would be. Any guesses? It would be nearly 35,539,770 miles high!
When it comes to life, the mathematics become even more impossible to imagine.”
(Faith Is Strengthened by Challenge Hunt, Dave May 1, 2008)
Atheists are so offended by the word God they are bent on removing all manger scenes and crosses from public places, anything that would refer to God or the Bible. Yet they seem to ignore all the OTHER religions i.e Islam. But Christianity is the focus of their belligerence.
There are some atheists that are leading the charge that are ingenious dimwits Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens. Militant Musers that have invented schemes to convince the naïve and uneducated the possibility of the impossible. Preaching to their own choir, which cannot recognize how out of tune they are with reality.
A-theism (atheism) is an absence of a belief in God but people deny many things in life that do not suit their worldview but this does not make them right. Atheists ask how can we know that God exists? How do I know that atheists exist? Because they have proven their existence, how? By writing, by communicating to certain people. This is the same we can see for God, he put order in nature, down to the minutest particles, the DNA. He had communicated to certain people and gave them a consistent revelation of himself.
The Creator made man gave him the ability to think and make decisions. This ability makes him morally responsible to the one He depends on - God. Atheism tries to escape this responsibility
The atheists deny there is any purpose or meaning to life except what we assign to it.
Richard Dawkins says, “Faith is one of the world’s great evils....[It is] belief that isn’t based on evidence [and] the principal vice of any religion.”
Yet atheists use a type of "faith" each day. They must trust the pilot whose plane they get on – the doctor if they are on a operating table. Even while driving their car on the road they must trust traffic signals and other drivers. What evidence do they have that all these things will function without a problem when they do not 100% of the time. So it is really about trusting what they cannot see and not rely only on their own senses.
When you look at a building you do not see the builders but you know there had to be someone who built and someone designed it.
Look into the sky at night: how far it extends, far beyond what can be seen by the eye or a telescope.
Ps 19:1-4 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line has gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun."
Seeing is believing to an atheist. Even Charles Darwin was perplexed over the eye… “To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable [matchless] contrivances [plans] for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree” (Charles Darwin, 1859, The Origin of Species p. 217)
What of our DNA, the building blocks of life. One cell contains approximately the same amount as1,000 500 page books. DNA is so small that if it was like a thin wire, it would stretch out around the circumference of the earth over 30 times. And all this contains information for the make up of life.
Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling, “Just one living cell in the human body is, more complex than New York City”(Dave Hunt, In Defense of the Faith, p.22)
Psalm 94:8-9: “Understand, you senseless among the people; And you fools, when will you be wise? He who planted the ear, shall He not hear? He who formed the eye, shall He not see?”
David Hume a skeptic of Christianity said, “I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything might arise without a cause.” All things have a cause except those things that are uncaused, which would be the originator and would be of necessity eternally existing.
Can an inanimate, unintelligent, something produce an intelligent unique living creature[s]? Can this it, plus chance, plus time actually bring forth something so complex, so unique and so intelligent to have the ability to also create.
Or is it the way the Bible states:
Gen. 1:27: “So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
I will leave that for you to decide.[/quote]
Excellent post. I have heard it said that the components of the Big Bang are somehow leftovers from a previous universe. There is no proof offered, and what is called a theory therefore is turned into a wild guess. How is the idea of a previous universe somehow more acceptable than the creation of this one?
From the beginning of time man has believed in a creator, as we can see many religions have been upon this ancient belief. The fact that many religions have pagan beliefs and practices does not negate the point that man has been a religious being and that atheism has only grown to what it is in the last few centuries.
So why is Atheism philosophically bankrupt? The problem with the philosophy of atheism is that it does not go back far enough to arrive at a logical conclusion
If there was a time when nothing existed what made it change. Some claim two gases collided - but they cannot explain where did the gases from? How did they collide, why are there two gases and not one. Where were they before they combined. How long did they exist before they caused a big bang What did they exist in before a universe was there?
Can this be proven by reality today or in anytime in history? To the atheists there is always a substance there to create another, such as a self existing universe. Thus they themselves are creating the reasons for a beginning. Much has to be assumed to come to the conclusions they hold. The majority of scientists today are of the opinion that the universe actually began to exist at a certain time, so this theory can be discarded.
The late Carl Sagan said, “If we must worship a power greater than ourselves, does it not make sense to revere the Sun and stars?” (Carl Sagan, Cosmos (Random House, 1980), p.243.) Does it make sense to worship another created thing? Out of necessity they have manufactured something with the power of existence beside what is created, as a replacement for God the creator.
For example, I have a book, but the book needed a pen to be used to first write its contents (or computer program) but you still needed an intelligence to use the pen to write the book. No intelligence no pen and no book. But atheists want us to believe the pen and book came into being from nothing. This does seem to stretch ones credulity.
Reality teaches us that all things that exist have their existence depend upon other things. If there was nothing; what did not exist, then it cannot be the cause of its own existence, nor of anything else. How could it bring itself into being if it does not exist? Therefore, our reality of life teaches that all things great and small depend upon something else for their existence.
The universe, our earth is filled with natural laws, which means that something orchestrated these laws for the things to exist.
Science cannot explain how life began or what life is. What are the chances of life coming from non life? Has anyone seen anything come from nothing?
Even the bible does not teach something came from nothing but that God is the creator, He initiated all that is seen and unseen to exist. As incomprehensible this is to the human mind that a being exists with such power to draw out the cosmos galaxy to galaxy that it is nearly incomprehensible to measure the vastness, that is what we are confronted with.
Only with a crises of faith in Christianity has it opened the door for young people to be corralled in with a philosophy of no hope. No doubt the failings of certain Christian ministers have given a boost to those who take “there is no God” position. But if we were to use this same standard then those who failed in sports taking drugs for enhancement or those who cheat in marriage would negate these as well. In fact you cannot find anything of man that is pristine without flaw.
Atheist insist that a miracle is simply a natural occurrence which science has not found an explanation for yet. Reminds me of their argument of the beginning of the universe… we don’t really know what began it but we are sure it can’t be God. With intelligent arguments like these its no wonder everyone has not converted. While they use arguments to blame religions for all the wars committed we should not forget that Karl Marx once a professed Christianity and turned to atheism. Calling it “scientific materialism,” his communism believed nothing existed except the physical world. Which would only be what the eye could. But everything that is seen is made of things unseen. “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse...” (Romans 1:20). Was this a estimated guess, or imagination for the apostle Paul to write such an exact observation of our modern science nearly 2,000 years ago?
The “mathematics, upon which all other science rests, irrefutably disproves both Atheism and evolution. We need a brief review of math in order to proceed. For example, ten to the second power is expressed as 102. It means 10 squared, which is 100. Ten to the 4th power (104) is not twice as much as 102, it is actually 100 times larger. So 104 means one with 4 zeroes after it. The “2” and “4” are called exponents. Thus 108 means one with 8 zeros after it. It is not twice 104 but 10,000 times greater (i.e., add four more zeroes). This is what is known as increasing “exponentially.” The numbers quickly become too large to comprehend.
This is why huge numbers must be expressed by exponents. It is much easier to write 1010 than to write 10,000,000,000; easier to write 1050 than to write a one with 50 zeroes after it. Imagine trying to multiply such numbers! But expressed exponentially, it is easy to multiply. One simply adds the exponents. Thus 103 (1,000) multiplied by 106 (1,000,000) equals 109 (1,000,000,000).
To show how things increase exponentially, suppose you tear in half a piece of paper, put one piece on top of the other and tear the two in half, then keep doing this 50 times. Think this could be done by hand? No! The number of resulting pieces is expressed mathematically as 250. If the paper was 1/500th of an inch thick, multiplying that thickness times 250 tells how tall the stack of paper would be. Any guesses? It would be nearly 35,539,770 miles high!
When it comes to life, the mathematics become even more impossible to imagine.”
(Faith Is Strengthened by Challenge Hunt, Dave May 1, 2008)
Atheists are so offended by the word God they are bent on removing all manger scenes and crosses from public places, anything that would refer to God or the Bible. Yet they seem to ignore all the OTHER religions i.e Islam. But Christianity is the focus of their belligerence.
There are some atheists that are leading the charge that are ingenious dimwits Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Christopher Hitchens. Militant Musers that have invented schemes to convince the naïve and uneducated the possibility of the impossible. Preaching to their own choir, which cannot recognize how out of tune they are with reality.
A-theism (atheism) is an absence of a belief in God but people deny many things in life that do not suit their worldview but this does not make them right. Atheists ask how can we know that God exists? How do I know that atheists exist? Because they have proven their existence, how? By writing, by communicating to certain people. This is the same we can see for God, he put order in nature, down to the minutest particles, the DNA. He had communicated to certain people and gave them a consistent revelation of himself.
The Creator made man gave him the ability to think and make decisions. This ability makes him morally responsible to the one He depends on - God. Atheism tries to escape this responsibility
The atheists deny there is any purpose or meaning to life except what we assign to it.
Richard Dawkins says, “Faith is one of the world’s great evils....[It is] belief that isn’t based on evidence [and] the principal vice of any religion.”
Yet atheists use a type of "faith" each day. They must trust the pilot whose plane they get on – the doctor if they are on a operating table. Even while driving their car on the road they must trust traffic signals and other drivers. What evidence do they have that all these things will function without a problem when they do not 100% of the time. So it is really about trusting what they cannot see and not rely only on their own senses.
When you look at a building you do not see the builders but you know there had to be someone who built and someone designed it.
Look into the sky at night: how far it extends, far beyond what can be seen by the eye or a telescope.
Ps 19:1-4 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, and night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line has gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them He has set a tabernacle for the sun."
Seeing is believing to an atheist. Even Charles Darwin was perplexed over the eye… “To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable [matchless] contrivances [plans] for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree” (Charles Darwin, 1859, The Origin of Species p. 217)
What of our DNA, the building blocks of life. One cell contains approximately the same amount as1,000 500 page books. DNA is so small that if it was like a thin wire, it would stretch out around the circumference of the earth over 30 times. And all this contains information for the make up of life.
Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling, “Just one living cell in the human body is, more complex than New York City”(Dave Hunt, In Defense of the Faith, p.22)
Psalm 94:8-9: “Understand, you senseless among the people; And you fools, when will you be wise? He who planted the ear, shall He not hear? He who formed the eye, shall He not see?”
David Hume a skeptic of Christianity said, “I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything might arise without a cause.” All things have a cause except those things that are uncaused, which would be the originator and would be of necessity eternally existing.
Can an inanimate, unintelligent, something produce an intelligent unique living creature[s]? Can this it, plus chance, plus time actually bring forth something so complex, so unique and so intelligent to have the ability to also create.
Or is it the way the Bible states:
Gen. 1:27: “So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”
I will leave that for you to decide.[/quote]
Excellent post. I have heard it said that the components of the Big Bang are somehow leftovers from a previous universe. There is no proof offered, and what is called a theory therefore is turned into a wild guess. How is the idea of a previous universe somehow more acceptable than the creation of this one?
Aug 24, 2017 03:06:59 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Hello Loki!
As I said, I was looking for something else when I found this.... I should have written down the author, and now I can't find the blog. See what happens when I sleep.
Anyway, my question.... if there was a universe before this one.... where did it come from? And what happened to it? Does a prior universe rule out a "creator?"
I guess we may never know for sure.... unless we do come face to face with our creator and He takes time to explain it all to us.....
As I said, I was looking for something else when I found this.... I should have written down the author, and now I can't find the blog. See what happens when I sleep.
Anyway, my question.... if there was a universe before this one.... where did it come from? And what happened to it? Does a prior universe rule out a "creator?"
I guess we may never know for sure.... unless we do come face to face with our creator and He takes time to explain it all to us.....
Loki wrote:
Excellent post. I have heard it said that the components of the Big Bang are somehow leftovers from a previous universe. There is no proof offered, and what is called a theory therefore is turned into a wild guess. How is the idea of a previous universe somehow more acceptable than the creation of this one?
Aug 24, 2017 06:07:28 #
Pennylynn wrote:
I found this article while searching for something else, I found it interesting so I thought I would share it with anyone who might be interested.
From the beginning of time man has believed in a creator, as we can see many religions have been upon this ancient belief. The fact that many religions have pagan beliefs and practices does not negate the point that man has been a religious being and that atheism has only grown to what it is in the last few centuries.
From the beginning of time man has believed in a creator, as we can see many religions have been upon this ancient belief. The fact that many religions have pagan beliefs and practices does not negate the point that man has been a religious being and that atheism has only grown to what it is in the last few centuries.
No where has the premise been made that the natural position of man is atheism. It's as man has gained knowledge that atheism has grown. Man has moved from a concrete belief in religion, to a general belief in god, to no belief in god at all. It is simply a progression and the more man become educated the faster the progression will take place.
Aug 24, 2017 06:26:44 #
Loki wrote:
Excellent post. I have heard it said that the components of the Big Bang are somehow leftovers from a previous universe. There is no proof offered, and what is called a theory therefore is turned into a wild guess. How is the idea of a previous universe somehow more acceptable than the creation of this one?
So upon what assumption are we to make that this universe was created? Created by what? Even if you want to answer god this is a scientific inquiry so there has to be something that leads us to say god--other than I haven't a clue. This is the problem with science and god because other than--I haven't a clue--there is nothing to lead us to believe that a supernatural god is why the universe exists today. Myself, I like the theory of inflation and that ours is but one of an infinite number of universes. Solves the problem of creation anyway--now we just have to accept that no matter what man does his existence will be finite. But no matter, because somewhere this is all happening again and again and again even if each ride is only one way...pfssst...the end...
Aug 24, 2017 08:17:49 #
Pennylynn wrote:
I found this article while searching for something... (show quote)
Excellent article, even those scientists who are attempting to penetrate the mysteries of the big bang will be left after all with the question "Where did all of this material come from". Even infinite regressions have to have a beginning, there is no escaping the uncaused cause,
Aug 28, 2017 21:12:45 #
PeterS wrote:
So upon what assumption are we to make that this universe was created? Created by what?...
For what's it's worth Pete. But then again you're in rebellion against God...
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20 (ESV)
Aug 29, 2017 07:45:31 #
mwdegutis wrote:
For what's it's worth Pete. But then again you're in rebellion against God...
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20 (ESV)
For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Romans 1:19-20 (ESV)
A supernatural god showing people that which they need in order to believe is hardly scientific inquiry and only validates my earlier assertions that a belief in the supernatural is based on irrationalism. You can't take a irrational premise and then conclude a rational result--because god showed me the way. What our imaginary gods show us most likely only has to do with our imaginations and nothing more...
Aug 29, 2017 08:26:38 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Actually many in the scientific community are changing their position on the existence of G*d. Andrew Fleet has revised his position about his lifetime work and support of the atheist religion. "Research into DNA has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce life, that intelligence must have been involved."
He is not alone, in Nuclear Physicist, Gerald Schroeder's recent book G*d according to G*d, he is quoted: "The study of nature, even with all its intellectual rigor, is filled with spiritual wonder….Every physical object in this vast universe, including our human bodies, is built of the light of creation." Einstein believed in a G*d represented by order, harmony, beauty, simplicity and elegance, the G*d of Spinoza. – Michio Kak. Indeed humans have limitations, we can only guess blindly, as our understanding is limited by our 3D capacity for thought. This limitation does not apply to G*d. So, you think you are rational and have all the answers while scientist at all levels are beginning to understand that we can only understand a limited amount of information. Although they have not yet admitted to the existence of a "personal G*d" they are heading in the right direction. As the bible says, to everything there is a season. We are on the cusp of expanding our minds past what was considered rational. We are now thinking and exploring thought, we can now understand that it makes perfect sense that this thing makes no sense to us.
He is not alone, in Nuclear Physicist, Gerald Schroeder's recent book G*d according to G*d, he is quoted: "The study of nature, even with all its intellectual rigor, is filled with spiritual wonder….Every physical object in this vast universe, including our human bodies, is built of the light of creation." Einstein believed in a G*d represented by order, harmony, beauty, simplicity and elegance, the G*d of Spinoza. – Michio Kak. Indeed humans have limitations, we can only guess blindly, as our understanding is limited by our 3D capacity for thought. This limitation does not apply to G*d. So, you think you are rational and have all the answers while scientist at all levels are beginning to understand that we can only understand a limited amount of information. Although they have not yet admitted to the existence of a "personal G*d" they are heading in the right direction. As the bible says, to everything there is a season. We are on the cusp of expanding our minds past what was considered rational. We are now thinking and exploring thought, we can now understand that it makes perfect sense that this thing makes no sense to us.
PeterS wrote:
A supernatural god showing people that which they need in order to believe is hardly scientific inquiry and only validates my earlier assertions that a belief in the supernatural is based on irrationalism. You can't take a irrational premise and then conclude a rational result--because god showed me the way. What our imaginary gods show us most likely only has to do with our imaginations and nothing more...
Aug 29, 2017 08:43:12 #
PeterS wrote:
A supernatural god showing people that which they need in order to believe is hardly scientific inquiry and only validates my earlier assertions that a belief in the supernatural is based on irrationalism. You can't take a irrational premise and then conclude a rational result--because god showed me the way. What our imaginary gods show us most likely only has to do with our imaginations and nothing more...
You will have no excuse when you stand before God Peter.
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