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Aug 17, 2017 18:07:14   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
no propaganda please wrote:
How about tearing down these statues of Harvey Milk one of the founders of the "gay rights movement" and a pederast

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I have absolutely no need to see anyone's statue destroyed.

Even if he is the pappy of all queers.

A lifeless statue or monument to whoever, does not affect me one way or the other.

I don't idolize men or women and I don't worship their craven images.

All of these wayward nincompoops going into tantrums over this dimwitted idea are suffering from The Obammy Syndrome.

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Aug 17, 2017 20:58:09   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
archie bunker wrote:
2015? Hmmm......why not before? By your logic Paul, there are statues all across the nation that need tearing down because of the history behind them. Wanna talk about those? Robert Byrd for example? Well?
This is bullshit, and you know it Paul!!


I don't recall Robert Byrd having ever participated in a war designed to divide and tear down our nation, Arch. He may not deserve a statue, but I don't think he's in the same class as the folks who fought for the Confederacy.

I don't think it's bullshit at all. I think trying to make a moral equivalency between NeoNazi thugs/White Supremacicts/Racists and those who stand against them is bullshit. And I think you know that too, my friend.

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Aug 17, 2017 21:01:08   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I have absolutely no need to see anyone's statue destroyed.

Even if he is the pappy of all queers.

A lifeless statue or monument to whoever, does not affect me one way or the other.

I don't idolize men or women and I don't worship their craven images.

All of these wayward nincompoops going into tantrums over this dimwitted idea are suffering from The Obammy Syndrome.



Somehow Wolfie, I suspect if the statue where of folks that fought to keep you and your heirs as personal property then you might feel a little differently. Just guessing, though.

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Aug 17, 2017 21:14:39   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
I have absolutely no need to see anyone's statue destroyed.

Even if he is the pappy of all queers.

A lifeless statue or monument to whoever, does not affect me one way or the other.

I don't idolize men or women and I don't worship their craven images.

All of these wayward nincompoops going into tantrums over this dimwitted idea are suffering from The Obammy Syndrome.


Nor do I. They are, if nothing else, works of art, leave them be, but at least recognize what they represent.

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Aug 18, 2017 02:05:45   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I don't recall Robert Byrd having ever participated in a war designed to divide and tear down our nation, Arch. He may not deserve a statue, but I don't think he's in the same class as the folks who fought for the Confederacy.

I don't think it's bullshit at all. I think trying to make a moral equivalency between NeoNazi thugs/White Supremacicts/Racists and those who stand against them is bullshit. And I think you know that too, my friend.


There is no moral equivalency here Paul. Those standing against them are black supremacist/racist/thugs. They all have the right to assemble, and protest just like the women, and homos do. It's called freedom.
Since you seem to be referencing the Virginia thing, I'll tell you what I think. I think it was a contrived set up for political purposes. Anyone knows you can't put two groups like that together without trouble.

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Aug 18, 2017 03:52:56   #
PeterS
 
buffalo wrote:
Since We're Tearing Down Offensive Statues, Here Are Locations of Three Lenin Statues in America


BY BENNY JOHNSON

Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation

It's become very trendy to tear down offensive statues in America these days.

According to previous IJR reporting, a Confederate statue in Durham, North Carolina, was ripped to the ground by a mob of progressive protesters. The protesters cited the statue's racist, violent symbolism for their actions.

If we as a society are going to begin the process of tearing down statues of terrible people, there should be absolutely no argument against tearing down a number of Vladimir Lenin statues which proudly stand in America today. Here is a little background on the Soviet leader, just so we're all on the same page as to what a monster Lenin was, and why his likeness does not deserve space on any American street.

Lenin killed millions of his own people, many in concentration camps, and openly sought the execution of political adversaries. He paved the way for Soviet occupation of free nations in the vicinity of Russia and established the one-party communist state, which led to unthinkable genocide and mass murder. In a previous article, IJR reported:

The oppressive Soviet regime came to power through a bloody coup in 1917 and exercised a death grip over most of Eastern Europe after World War II. The Union crumbled in the late 1980s, leaving in its wake broken, fractured nations and a horrific logbook of deaths. The war histories website, Necrometrics.com, has averaged academic reports on the overall arc of the Soviet Union and come to this conclusion: 56 to 62 million “unnatural deaths” for the USSR overall, with 34 to 49 million under Stalin.

It's safe to say that no statue of this man belongs in America, or the world for that matter. Yet here are three places where you can visit in America today which pay homage to the bloodthirsty Soviet leader:

This 18-foot Lenin statue carries quite the history. It was originally commissioned by the USSR, but the implosion of that country in 1989 – the year Red Square was built at 250 East Houston – prevented its display. The developers of the property, Michael Shaoul and Michael Rosen, reportedly found it trashed in a backyard just outside Moscow and installed it five years later.

Indeed, it somehow seems fitting, given the current political climate, that a statue of the Russian communist revolutionary would return to a Lower East Side rooftop. And so it goes.

Early Friday afternoon, workers were spotted hoisting the eighteen-foot, Soviet-era sculpture into place at 178 Norfolk Street. The copper tribute had been leaning on its side here since last September.

Michael Rosen and Michael Shaoul, co-owners/developers of the original Red Square, where the statue held court from 1994, reportedly own this walk-up tenement beside the Angel Orensanz Center.

The path to Seattle from Poprad, Slovakia, for this 8-ton bronze of the Communist revolutionary occurred because Lewis Carpenter of Issaquah saw it, bought it and brought it back after the collapse of the Soviet bloc.

He died in 1994, but the family still owns it, and Jon Hegeman, with the Fremont Arts Council, says it’s still for sale for $250,000 or best offer.

The 16-foot Lenin, striding boldly and backed by flames and firearms, still evokes strong responses, though he died 91 years ago.

Lenin was responsible for untold deaths, and many equate him with Hitler and Stalin. Vandals often paint the statue’s hands blood red.

And as IJR reported earlier about this statue:

“In July, someone started a Facebook page calling for its removal. However, there’s been no call by the far leftists of Antifa to tear down the statue of the communist dictator and murderer.”

At some point in the last six years, you may have driven down La Brea Avenue and spotted a large metallic bust of Vladimir Lenin with a smaller version of “Miss Mao” on top of his head with a balancing pole. You have probably wondered what it is, why it's there, and to whom it belongs. The first two questions are better left for another time, but the statue, named “Miss Mao Trying to Poise Herself at the Top of Lenin’s Head”, was created by the Gao Brothers, and has been on display with the Ace Gallery since 2011.

We know most of these are private property, but you forget, there is no private property in the Soviet Union, comrade!

So get to work!

http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/08/948200-since-tearing-offensive-statues-locations-three-lenin-statues-america/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Owned&utm_term=ijamerica&utm_campaign=ods&utm_content=Culture
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If the statues are on public property and care for with public money then tear them down. If they are on private property and paid for with private funds there isn't much you can do about them...

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Aug 18, 2017 03:57:27   #
PeterS
 
archie bunker wrote:
There is no moral equivalency here Paul. Those standing against them are black supremacist/racist/thugs. They all have the right to assemble, and protest just like the women, and homos do. It's called freedom.
Since you seem to be referencing the Virginia thing, I'll tell you what I think. I think it was a contrived set up for political purposes. Anyone knows you can't put two groups like that together without trouble.

So you can't put Fascists and Anti-fascists in the same room without a fight breaking out? And here you said the Anti-Fascists were the real Nazis. That leaves me to think they are fighting themselves.

How about we take down the statue of anyone who fought to divide this country and thereby keep a portion of the population in slavery. After all that's not a very American thing for someone to do so we really shouldn't be honoring them...

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Aug 18, 2017 04:19:35   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
So you can't put Fascists and Anti-fascists in the same room without a fight breaking out? And here you said the Anti-Fascists were the real Nazis. That leaves me to think they are fighting themselves.

How about we take down the statue of anyone who fought to divide this country and thereby keep a portion of the population in slavery. After all that's not a very American thing for someone to do so we really shouldn't be honoring them...


Where does it stop? You can't change, or deny what happened in the past, can you?
Will we eventually remove everything pertaining to Barack Obama? He spent 8 years fighting to divide this country, and keep portions of the population enslaved to the government. Or is it just gonna be the people decided on by the leftists who are dividing this country, and calling for violence, and death against a specific race?
And there isn't enough bandwidth here to provide all of the evidence to support this. You, and I both know it's true.

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Aug 18, 2017 10:21:46   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
North Korea relax no need to nuke us.
We will destroy our great country from within.

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Aug 18, 2017 10:55:59   #
Radiance3
 
archie bunker wrote:
It keeps nagging at me as to why all of this wasn't an issue until very recently. Those statues have been there for generations. Now they're an offensive issue? WTF?
It's pretty obvious to me what's going on. Is it to you?


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The LEFT and DEMOCRATS are populated with people of different and violent ideologies.
These are the BLM's, ANTIFA, the people from deep states, the Muslims, legal and illegal, Mexicans, legal and illegal, thugs on the streets, free loaders, rapists, drug dealers, addicts/convicts, and people from different countries wanting to take over the US. It is like invasion. Those are the people who fought with White Supremacists in Charlottesville. I hate the KKK, but read further.

Here are the reasons why the LEFT/democrats, etc. are now taking the historical images and statues of the Founders.
1. The LEFT want to erase the history of the United States.
2. The LEFT want to destroy anything that relates to the Founding Fathers, how they sacrificed, and fought for our freedom built this beautiful country in the world through their blood and tears.

3. The LEFT want to take the United States for their own, and claim it for their own.
4. The LEFT want to remove any conservative people from the powers of the government who oppose them.
5. Once the LEFT have succeeded destroying history, they can run the government like the Middle East with Sharia Law, or a government like Mexico, Venezuela, and those in the Socialist countries.

Example:
Modern Jerusalem has grown far beyond the Old City's boundaries. According to the Biblical tradition, more than 3000 years ago, King David conquered the city from the Jebusites and established it as the capital of the United Kingdom of Israel, and his son, King Solomon, commissioned the building of the First Temple. King David purchased the land where the Temple Mount built by King Solomon was located.

This was the trick that Muslim did to the Middle East. The MUSLIMS from Medina, armies of Mohammad, invaded Jerusalem on 636 AD. (after the death of Christ), they enslaved the inhabitants there, the Christians and Jews. They drove away the Jews to different parts of the world. They killed millions of Christians until now, enslaved them and rape the women, and charged them very high tax. All antiquities and roots of the Christians and Jews were erased and destroyed. Then they claimed the land as their own.

They also changed the MAP of the Middle East, showing that Jews don't own the land. On their map the Christians don't exist. BUT only Muslims.

Before Muhammad's armies came on 636-637 AD, Jews have been living in Canaan for more than 3,000 years. Jerusalem was given by God to them, the land of Canaan, after they returned from Egypt.

The Temple King Solomon built was the land of Moriah, where Isaac was offered by father Abraham to God. Christians have been there for almost 1000 years before Muslims came. The Jewish Jesus was born in Bethlehem, grew and preached the Gospel. After Jesus death, Saint Paul (Saul) was chosen by Jesus to preach to the Gentiles.

The Romans came 63 CE, destroyed the Temple on 70 CE.
In 66 CE the First Jewish–Roman War began. The revolt was put down by the future Roman emperors Vespasian and Titus. In the Siege of Jerusalem in 70 CE, the Romans destroyed much of the Temple in Jerusalem and, according to some accounts, plundered artifacts from the Temple, such as the Menorah.

The Muslims came in 636-637 AD, took over and destroyed the Temple of God that Solomon built. Then Muslims put on top of that Temple, their own Dome. The Crescent moon god. Muslims also destroyed the Church of Christ, which is the Holy Sepulcher. It was only on 1095 that Crusades were sent by Pope Urban II, took back Christ Church, and saved Christians from further massacre and raping of Muslims.

In 1948 after WWII, Jews returned to the little land left in Israel that the UN had approved. Jews were attacked by Muslims in 1948, and 1967. The Jewish people won on both of these wars, and was able to take back part of the Jerusalem, the walls that were built by King Herod for their protection.

Unless we American people, don't protect our US history, which is being demolished by the LEFT, we will be like Jerusalem where these invaders will take our country away. The Muslim that Mr. Obama brought to the US in millions produce so many children rapidly, because their Sharia allows men to have so many wives to propagate so many children rapidly and take over the world. That is what they are doing now, they don't assimilate, but secretly they plot to take over as soon as their power grows..

The LEFT have no idea, but Europe is now almost under sieged by Radical Muslims. MUSLIMS ARE THOUGHT TO LIE AND DECEIVE to defeat the enemies and take over the whole world.

Wake up America. The world is getting crowded. Enemies will occupy and take over this beautiful land, where the Founders fought and died for their posterity. May God bless and preserve our land of America! Thank you.

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Aug 18, 2017 11:09:46   #
boatbob2
 
They want to tear down statues,I want to tear down mosques,lets Compromise,for each statue torn down,We tear down one mosque....

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Aug 18, 2017 11:15:01   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
boatbob2 wrote:
They want to tear down statues,I want to tear down mosques,lets Compromise,for each statue torn down,We tear down one mosque....


That sounds fair.

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Aug 18, 2017 11:44:37   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
archie bunker wrote:
There is no moral equivalency here Paul. Those standing against them are black supremacist/racist/thugs. They all have the right to assemble, and protest just like the women, and homos do. It's called freedom.
Since you seem to be referencing the Virginia thing, I'll tell you what I think. I think it was a contrived set up for political purposes. Anyone knows you can't put two groups like that together without trouble.




Archie-this is one of those things on which we will have to agree to disagree. But it is an important one.

Many a soldier died in WWII to rid the world of the scourge of Nazis, Fascists and their ideology. Anyone who feels, for any reason, those things have a right to exist in our world today, dishonors those who fought, and is on the very wrong side of history.

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Aug 18, 2017 11:46:25   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
It’s appalling to me that at this late date there are still people who think The War for Confederate Secession, the so-called Civil War, was about slavery. Yes slavery was related but the war was over the extension of slavery into the new states to be admitted into the Union. Lincoln & his Republicans wanted slavery excluded not because of slavery but to ensure that the southern agrarian states didn’t have their representation in the Senate increased.
Congress had just enacted the Morrill Tariff.

http://www.thetribunepapers.com/2014/01/05/true-causes-of-the-uncivil-war-understanding-the-morrill-tariff/
Excerpt: “…A smoldering issue of unjust taxation that enriched Northern manufacturing states and exploited the agricultural South was fanned to a furious blaze in 1860. It was the Morrill Tariff that stirred the smoldering embers of regional mistrust and ignited the fires of Secession in the South. This precipitated a Northern reaction and call to arms that would engulf the nation in the flames of war for four years...”

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Aug 18, 2017 11:50:04   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
archie bunker wrote:
It keeps nagging at me as to why all of this wasn't an issue until very recently. Those statues have been there for generations. Now they're an offensive issue? WTF?
It's pretty obvious to me what's going on. Is it to you?


Folks here (especially liberals) better figure out who is really fighting "Radical Islam" and who really hates Communism.
Just know the enemy within, those going after Christianity and attacking America.

https://archive.org/details/BehindCommunism_201502

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Republic Broadcasting Network: http://republicbroadcasting.org/
For those that can handle the truth; RBN Live ONLINE!

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