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Aug 17, 2017 21:57:16   #
teabag09
 
Mr. TD, you said. [q Neo Nazies white supremacist showed up with guns, brass knuckles, bats. Well sir, you in your mind of minds you believe that, problem is, you got it bass ackwards dude. It was your buds of the alt-left who had the arms, the other side had flag poles and threw back stones thrown at them. I know I'm a dumb ass for even thinking that, in your mind.. OH! Did you see that bat just fly by? OOH, that was a big bat. Don't mind me, I wander at times, where were we? in the second place the picture of the man you showed was a member of the 82nd Airborne. Hardly a Nazi I would think. I could be wrong but I think not.

What I don't understand is why do you continually set yourself up for being proven wrong? You don't, can't back up your (copied/pasted) statements on your own. Do you cut yourself, can we help you with that? There is help out there for you but, the big but, you have to be receptive.

We're here for you Mr. TD. All you have to do is reach out and you'll be saved.

Mike uote=tdsrnest](ONLY IN THE CONVOLUTED MINDS OF A TRUMP SUPPORTER)

You people are no longer part of the Republican Party you have convinced this country. Just with you're comment both sides and creating a new talking point of the Alt left.
The counter protestors were there and these Neo Nazies white supremacist showed up with guns, brass knuckles, bats and yelling racial slurs while carrying a Nazi flag. This country lost a whole generation of young men approximately 500,000 men fighting against that flag. It's a symbol this country fought against and you call out the counter protestors.

You sir have a real problem and should be deprogrammed you have free speech but there is such a thing as going to far. This is was the counter protestors had to look at[/quote]

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Aug 17, 2017 22:09:49   #
teabag09
 
Please remind me not to go up against you in a serious, heck a non-serious debate. I hate looking like an ass. Thanks. Mike
pafret wrote:
Your question is unanserable because of its contradiction in terms. "Very Fine" people are not racist or anti-semitic nor do they display vile symbols of any kind. The problem may be what is known as the 'scandal of the weak', i.e. you are easily offended by anything. Particularly when that anything is performed by those you dislike or disagree with. Your response is totally out of proportion to the cause.

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Aug 17, 2017 22:12:11   #
teabag09
 
Are you drunk? That's a non-answer. If you are not going to engage keep your yap shut. Mike
the waker wrote:
That would be the truth of the matter.

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Aug 17, 2017 23:19:55   #
plainlogic
 
permafrost wrote:
Plain,

8 mos???? We have learned our lesson..

It took the right wing 8 YEARS of lies to get results..

Who are we to stop a proven tactic any quicker then that??

A long road ahead and a lot of turnover to get there..

Our truth is stronger then your lies, It will not be 8 yrs before the turn takes place.

Unless the right wing intimidation, voting obstruction and gerrymandering is worst then even I think it is..


(1)Yep, it took the liberal left the full 8 rears of Obamas administrations lies, the Clinton lies, Eric Holders lies, Comey,
Loretta Lynch, Koskinen, Geithner [ who helped get us the 20 trillion debt], Susan Rice, the list is too long.

(2)Yep, and you're right, the obfuscation of the liberals and press were great tactics and it was working until the voters finally figured the liberals out.

(3) Yeah, a lot of turn over, When the POTUS had to bring in Obamas mates, it takes a bit to catch the subverters.

(4) The lies of the liberals doesn't hold up to the truths that are bountiful. Even with the powerful liberal medias printing fake news and peddling outright lies, the conservative truth shines thru.

(5) auh, yeah, right. Intimidation? the liberals have had decades of experience at that, the Clintons have loads of dead bodies all around 'em. The voting obstruction? Geesh, like the Black Panthers attacked votes at the poll in PA. Yeah, I know it hurts when the truth comes out and shows how you liberals have been misused and abused by your leadership comrades. Gerrymandering & Malapportionment. North Carolina's 12th congressional district between 2003 and 2016 is an example of packing. The district has predominantly African-American residents who vote for Democrats.

Just a little heavy creme for ya..The Democratic party has been linked to a student committing voter fraud. Last August 2016, it was determined a student was directed by the democratic party to register fake voters to boost their voter registration numbers.
The James Madison student’s job was to register as many voters as possible. Every week an employee would turn them in to the Registrar’s office. Eventually, someone at the Registrar’s office called the police when they noticed one of the registered voter’s was no longer alive.

HARRISONBURG, Va. — A man paid to register Virginia voters prior to the 2016 Presidential Election will spend at least 100 days in prison for submitting the names of deceased individuals to the Registrar’s Office.

Gosh I could go on and on there Perm. But hey, I dislike fighting someone with no arms, ya know?

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Aug 18, 2017 03:32:48   #
Iamdjchrys Loc: Decatur, Texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
The lies and twist from the fake news media~~

https://thehornnews.com/busted-cnn-caught-lying-charlottesville-wow/

They’re at it again.

Fake news CNN reported early Monday that the family of Charlottesville victim Heather Heyer does not want the condolences of President Donald Trump.

In the video, which aired Monday morning on CNN, Marissa Blair claims her friend Heather, “would not want his condolences,” and, “she would not want him to speak her name.”

But there was one major problem.

When Trump offered his condolences to the family of Heather Heyer on Monday, her mother publicly thanked him.

In a statement Monday, Trump denounced racism and bigotry, saying, “Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, Neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.”

He then mentioned Heather Heyer by name, saying, “her death fills us with grief and we send her family our thoughts, our prayers, and our love.”

Heather Heyer, 32, was killed after a madman drove his car into a crowd of protesters in Charlottesville over the weekend.

Her mother Susan Bro released a statement Monday thanking Trump for the very condolences CNN reported she didn’t want.

There's a little truth for you!!!
The lies and twist from the fake news media~~ br ... (show quote)


That was a prepared speech to recover from his bland, out of touch speech Sunday. Tuesday he was at it again accusing "both sides". Wednesday, more of the same. He should stick to the speeches written by his handlers.

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Aug 18, 2017 03:33:56   #
PeterS
 
maureenthannon wrote:
The KKK was founded by Democrats. Socialism and Communism are Ultra-LEFT groups.


Yeah, founded by democrats and run by republicans. Ain't that a hoot!!!

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Aug 18, 2017 03:41:49   #
PeterS
 
permafrost wrote:
eagle,

It gives me such a chuckle when you and others like you call yourselves patriots.. You ever looked up the meaning of the word??

You and your fellow speakers do not even come close to being what you wish you were..

Hay, how is your commie hunt doing?? find any yet???


Oh, I'm sure they find a commie under every stone they turn over. Eagle and his fellow conservatives live in a world of logical fallacies and the wonder of a fallacy is that you can make truth out to be whatever you want it to be. So "Patriot" it's easy to be one when everything around you is a logical fallacy. I heard the other day that so long as you can get everyone to repeat the lie eventually everyone will think that it is true....

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Aug 18, 2017 08:16:22   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
the waker wrote:
That would be the truth of the matter.


Then we agree....

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Aug 18, 2017 08:22:29   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Iamdjchrys wrote:
That was a prepared speech to recover from his bland, out of touch speech Sunday. Tuesday he was at it again accusing "both sides". Wednesday, more of the same. He should stick to the speeches written by his handlers.


I suggest no matter what Trump said or didn't say the media and left would not be receptive to any of it just as they have shown about anything Trump said or done...

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Aug 18, 2017 08:38:38   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
PeterS wrote:
Oh, I'm sure they find a commie under every stone they turn over. Eagle and his fellow conservatives live in a world of logical fallacies and the wonder of a fallacy is that you can make truth out to be whatever you want it to be. So "Patriot" it's easy to be one when everything around you is a logical fallacy. I heard the other day that so long as you can get everyone to repeat the lie eventually everyone will think that it is true....


"I heard the other day that so long as you can get everyone to repeat the lie eventually everyone will think that it is true.." - PeterS
Yep that is a communist/fascist precept. will you ever learn who uses it constantly? The MSM being a good example.
Who do you think pulls the strings on those Talking Heads?

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Putin knows who those Oligarchs were and are. He threw the bastards out. Over 200 million slaughtered under the Communist Bolsheviks.
Some posters here want to ignore who had put the ISIS thugs in business?
They want to ignore who is kicking their buts in a matter of days? The US/CFR foreign policy strengthened ISIS in Syria after turning Libya into an ISIS/thug strong hold.
Over 7,000 bombings in 5 years, and the US/Israel/NATO, just couldn't find them? Get real.
ISIS was given a free pass all the way across the desert of Iraq, from Libya to Syria, While killing Christian Kurds and Moslems alike. The US is still siding with ISIS against Assad in Syria.
Folks here (especially liberals) better figure out who is really fighting "Radical Islam" and who really hates Communism.
For those that have not bothered to download for free, and then read:
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Behind Communism : Frank L Britton : Free Download & Streaming ...
http://archive.org/details/BehindCommunism
by Frank L Britton. Probably published in 1952.
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still alive—was published about 1952, in the USA

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Aug 18, 2017 09:17:06   #
Bevos
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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And the democrats/leftists act like the KKK these days. They want to cover their crimes with the color of their skin, playing victims of slavery. We are all the recipients of freedom that the Founders created and died for all of us. We must be grateful to them. They abolished slavery in 1865. All men are created equal.

The Founders shed their blood, sacrifices, spent their fortunes, shed tears for creating this most wonderful land that we enjoy now. We have freedom. That freedom of life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. NOW YOU LEFTISTS, BLM, DEMOCRATS WANT TO KILL AND ERASE FROM HISTORY,THE ANCESTORS WHO SACRIFICED FOR THE FREEDOM YOU NOW ENJOY, even to killing police officers for arresting you committing crimes. All you do are violence against humanity. That is a fact. You are all DISGUSTING, UNGRATEFUL!!
================= br And the democrats/leftists ac... (show quote)


WELL SAID!!!

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Aug 18, 2017 09:33:22   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
plainlogic wrote:
(1)Yep, it took the liberal left the full 8 rears of Obamas administrations lies, the Clinton lies, Eric Holders lies, Comey,
Loretta Lynch, Koskinen, Geithner [ who helped get us the 20 trillion debt], Susan Rice, the list is too long.

(2)Yep, and you're right, the obfuscation of the liberals and press were great tactics and it was working until the voters finally figured the liberals out.

(3) Yeah, a lot of turn over, When the POTUS had to bring in Obamas mates, it takes a bit to catch the subverters.

(4) The lies of the liberals doesn't hold up to the truths that are bountiful. Even with the powerful liberal medias printing fake news and peddling outright lies, the conservative truth shines thru.

(5) auh, yeah, right. Intimidation? the liberals have had decades of experience at that, the Clintons have loads of dead bodies all around 'em. The voting obstruction? Geesh, like the Black Panthers attacked votes at the poll in PA. Yeah, I know it hurts when the truth comes out and shows how you liberals have been misused and abused by your leadership comrades. Gerrymandering & Malapportionment. North Carolina's 12th congressional district between 2003 and 2016 is an example of packing. The district has predominantly African-American residents who vote for Democrats.

Just a little heavy creme for ya..The Democratic party has been linked to a student committing voter fraud. Last August 2016, it was determined a student was directed by the democratic party to register fake voters to boost their voter registration numbers.
The James Madison student’s job was to register as many voters as possible. Every week an employee would turn them in to the Registrar’s office. Eventually, someone at the Registrar’s office called the police when they noticed one of the registered voter’s was no longer alive.

HARRISONBURG, Va. — A man paid to register Virginia voters prior to the 2016 Presidential Election will spend at least 100 days in prison for submitting the names of deceased individuals to the Registrar’s Office.

Gosh I could go on and on there Perm. But hey, I dislike fighting someone with no arms, ya know?
(1)Yep, it took the liberal left the full 8 rears ... (show quote)


"(1)Yep, it took the liberal left the full 8 rears of Obamas administrations lies, the Clinton lies, Eric Holders lies, Comey,
Loretta Lynch, Koskinen, Geithner [ who helped get us the 20 trillion debt], Susan Rice, the list is too long.

(2)Yep, and you're right, the obfuscation of the liberals and press were great tactics and it was working until the voters finally figured the liberals out.

(3) Yeah, a lot of turn over, When the POTUS had to bring in Obamas mates, it takes a bit to catch the subverters.

(4) The lies of the liberals doesn't hold up to the truths that are bountiful. Even with the powerful liberal medias printing fake news and peddling outright lies, the conservative truth shines thru.

(5) auh, yeah, right. Intimidation? the liberals have had decades of experience at that, the Clintons have loads of dead bodies all around 'em. The voting obstruction? Geesh, like the Black Panthers attacked votes at the poll in PA. Yeah, I know it hurts when the truth comes out and shows how you liberals have been misused and abused by your leadership comrades. Gerrymandering & Malapportionment. North Carolina's 12th congressional district between 2003 and 2016 is an example of packing. The district has predominantly African-American residents who vote for Democrats.

Just a little heavy creme for ya..The Democratic party has been linked to a student committing voter fraud. Last August 2016, it was determined a student was directed by the democratic party to register fake voters to boost their voter registration numbers.
The James Madison student’s job was to register as many voters as possible. Every week an employee would turn them in to the Registrar’s office. Eventually, someone at the Registrar’s office called the police when they noticed one of the registered voter’s was no longer alive.

HARRISONBURG, Va. — A man paid to register Virginia voters prior to the 2016 Presidential Election will spend at least 100 days in prison for submitting the names of deceased individuals to the Registrar’s Office.

Gosh I could go on and on there Perm. But hey, I dislike fighting someone with no arms, ya know?" - plainlogic

There is no getting through to PermaDense and his comrades.

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Aug 18, 2017 09:59:34   #
Bevos
 
PeterS wrote:
Yeah, founded by democrats and run by republicans. Ain't that a hoot!!!


Is this more FAKE NEWS PROPAGANDA you are SPEWING???

WHICH Republicans are running the KKK??? David Duke has tried to align himself with SEVERAL Republicans and has been SHOT DOWN BY EVERY ONE OF THEM!!!

Maybe a few RINOS would accept him, but THEY are NOT REALLY REPUBLICANS!!!

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Aug 18, 2017 10:02:07   #
Bevos
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"(1)Yep, it took the liberal left the full 8 rears of Obamas administrations lies, the Clinton lies, Eric Holders lies, Comey,
Loretta Lynch, Koskinen, Geithner [ who helped get us the 20 trillion debt], Susan Rice, the list is too long.

(2)Yep, and you're right, the obfuscation of the liberals and press were great tactics and it was working until the voters finally figured the liberals out.

(3) Yeah, a lot of turn over, When the POTUS had to bring in Obamas mates, it takes a bit to catch the subverters.

(4) The lies of the liberals doesn't hold up to the truths that are bountiful. Even with the powerful liberal medias printing fake news and peddling outright lies, the conservative truth shines thru.

(5) auh, yeah, right. Intimidation? the liberals have had decades of experience at that, the Clintons have loads of dead bodies all around 'em. The voting obstruction? Geesh, like the Black Panthers attacked votes at the poll in PA. Yeah, I know it hurts when the truth comes out and shows how you liberals have been misused and abused by your leadership comrades. Gerrymandering & Malapportionment. North Carolina's 12th congressional district between 2003 and 2016 is an example of packing. The district has predominantly African-American residents who vote for Democrats.

Just a little heavy creme for ya..The Democratic party has been linked to a student committing voter fraud. Last August 2016, it was determined a student was directed by the democratic party to register fake voters to boost their voter registration numbers.
The James Madison student’s job was to register as many voters as possible. Every week an employee would turn them in to the Registrar’s office. Eventually, someone at the Registrar’s office called the police when they noticed one of the registered voter’s was no longer alive.

HARRISONBURG, Va. — A man paid to register Virginia voters prior to the 2016 Presidential Election will spend at least 100 days in prison for submitting the names of deceased individuals to the Registrar’s Office.

Gosh I could go on and on there Perm. But hey, I dislike fighting someone with no arms, ya know?" - plainlogic

There is no getting through to PermaDense and his comrades.
"(1)Yep, it took the liberal left the full 8 ... (show quote)


WELL SAID!!! But, I DOUBT if Permadense can COMPREHEND any of it!!!

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Aug 18, 2017 11:02:28   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
permafrost wrote:
J,

That darn ANTIFA again... Let us have a look and compare them to the white supremacists.. OK?

This little thing from the Atlantic a couple days ago..

Read to the end please... Or skip to that good part right away..

In his Tuesday press conference, Donald Trump talked at length about what he called “the alt left.” White supremacists, he claimed, weren’t the only people in Charlottesville last weekend that deserved condemnation. “You had a group on the other side that was also very violent,” he declared. “Nobody wants to say that.”

I can say with great confidence that Trump’s final sentence is untrue. I can do so because the September issue of The Atlantic contains an essay of mine entitled “The Rise of the Violent Left,” which discusses the very phenomenon that Trump claims “nobody wants” to discuss. Trump is right that, in Charlottesville and beyond, the violence of some leftist activists constitutes a real problem. Where he’s wrong is in suggesting that it’s a problem in any way comparable to white supremacism.

What Trump calls “the alt left” (I’ll explain why that’s a bad term later) is actually antifa, which is short for anti-fascist. The movement traces its roots to the militant leftists who in the 1920s and 1930s brawled with fascists on the streets of Germany, Italy, and Spain. It revived in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, when anti-racist punks in Britain and Germany mobilized to defeat neo-Nazi skinheads who were infiltrating the music scene. Via punk, groups calling themselves anti-racist action—and later, anti-fascist action or antifa—sprung up in the United States. They have seen explosive growth in the Trump era for an obvious reason: There’s more open white supremacism to mobilize against.

As members of a largely anarchist movement, antifa activists generally combat white supremacism not by trying to change government policy but through direct action. They try to publicly identify white supremacists and get them fired from their jobs and evicted from their apartments. And they disrupt white-supremacist rallies, including by force.

As I argued in my essay, some of their tactics are genuinely troubling. They’re troubling tactically because conservatives use antifa’s violence to justify—or at least distract from—the violence of white supremacists, as Trump did in his press conference. They’re troubling strategically because they allow white supremacists to depict themselves as victims being denied the right to freely assemble. And they’re troubling morally because antifa activists really do infringe upon that right. By using violence, they reject the moral legacy of the civil-rights movement’s fight against white supremacy. And by seeking to deny racists the ability to assemble, they reject the moral legacy of the ACLU, which in 1977 went to the Supreme Court to defend the right of neo-Nazis to march through Skokie, Illinois.

Antifa activists are sincere. They genuinely believe that their actions protect vulnerable people from harm. Cornel West claims they did so in Charlottesville. But for all of antifa’s supposed anti-authoritarianism, there’s something fundamentally authoritarian about its claim that its activists—who no one elected—can decide whose views are too odious to be publicly expressed. That kind of undemocratic, illegitimate power corrupts. It leads to what happened this April in Portland, Oregon, where antifa activists threatened to disrupt the city’s Rose Festival parade if people wearing “red maga hats” marched alongside the local Republican Party. Because of antifa, Republican officials in Portland claim they can’t even conduct voter registration in the city without being physically threatened or harassed.

So, yes, antifa is not a figment of the conservative imagination. It’s a moral problem that liberals need to confront.

But saying it’s a problem is vastly different than implying, as Trump did, that it’s a problem equal to white supremacism. Using the phrase “alt-left” suggests a moral equivalence that simply doesn’t exist.

For starters, while antifa perpetrates violence, it doesn’t perpetrate it on anything like the scale that white nationalists do. It’s no coincidence that it was a Nazi sympathizer—and not an antifa activist—who committed murder in Charlottesville. According to the Anti-Defamation League, right-wing extremists committed 74 percent of the 372 politically motivated murders recorded in the United States between 2007 and 2016. Left-wing extremists committed less than 2 percent.

Second, antifa activists don’t wield anything like the alt-right’s power. White, Christian supremacy has been government policy in the United States for much of American history. Anarchism has not. That’s why there are no statues of Mikhail Bakunin in America’s parks and government buildings. Antifa boasts no equivalent to Steve Bannon, who called his old publication, Breitbart, “the platform for the alt-right,” and now works in the White House. It boasts no equivalent to Attorney General Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, who bears the middle name of a Confederate general and the first name of the Confederacy’s president, and who allegedly called the NAACP “un-American.” It boasts no equivalent to Alex Jones, who Donald Trump praised as “amazing.” Even if antifa’s vision of society were as noxious as the “alt-right’s,” it has vastly less power to make that vision a reality.

And antifa’s vision is not as noxious. Antifa activists do not celebrate regimes that committed genocide and enforced slavery. They’re mostly anarchists. Anarchism may not be a particularly practical ideology. But it’s not an ideology that depicts the members of a particular race or religion as subhuman.

If Donald Trump really wants to undermine antifa, he should do his best to stamp out the bigotry that antifa—counterproductively—mobilizes against. Taking down Confederate statues in places like Charlottesville would be a good start.
J, br br That darn ANTIFA again... Let us have a... (show quote)


How is preventing Republicans from conducting registration drives in any way legitimate and not an act of violence? Is the asumption that all Republicans are bigots and therefore, Antifa has the right to suppress them? There is no left wing - right wing distinction here, Antifa, Skinheads, most "Militias", Communists, NAZI's, Socialists, Dictators, and Tyrants of every stripe are all Totalitarians and for each group it is "my way or the highway". What was characterized as anarchy was simply lawlessness and laws are specifically untended to curb anarchy.

None of these groups are champions of justice and equality, they combat each other in a struggle for dominance. Whichever group emerges victoriuios will then turn their attention to the rest of us and our only solution is to stfle the chick in the egg. Put them all in jail for very long times becuse they are all the same.

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