straightUp Loc: California

Not surprising. Well, I answered your question anyway.

son of witless

Sooooooo, are you saying that most of the tourists coming to San Francisco are from the banned countries ? If that is what you mean, I find that fascinating. There you have San Francisco. Now what is San Francisco known for? It's Openly Gay Friendly Environment. The countries in President Trump's travel ban are not generally known for their tolerance of that same environment. Maybe most of the tourists from those nations who are not friendly to certain points of view, secretly visit San Francisco for their own reasons. You may have a point.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

It is also known for "Sam Clam's Disco." as Larry the Lobster can tell.....

straightUp Loc: California

No, but most of them DO come from other countries nevertheless and clown isn't exactly making them feel welcomed. You don't have to be on the banned list to read the writing on the wall.


Acceptance of all people of all types is just one of many things about SF that stands out. (Of course to homophobic bigots it's the ONLY thing that stands out). Never mind that it's leading the technology revolution around the world or the historical significance of being the epicenter of the 60's counter-culture and has since been a mecca for artists, or that it's been the port of entry for Asian immigrants for about two centuries. Never mind it's famous architecture, or it's awesome sports history (Go Warriors) or the fact that it's multicultural history has made it one of the most colorful cities in the world that welcomes not just gay people but ALL kinds of people. (If you want to talk about cities that are really only known for it's gay community there's always Austin Texas, which actually as more gay people than San Francisco does)


You're right, the countries on clown's "I hate" list are in fact right-wing, conservative countries that do not tolerate things like homosexuality. But like most countries that allow themselves to be ruled by right-wing conservative ideology the people there don't have the money to travel anyway, or the education to appreciate or even be curious about other places. The drop in tourism has more to do with the uncertainty of the clown administration and the ugliness of the bigotry it seems to be encouraging. Bottom line is, clown is making America a nasty place to visit.

You can target SF all you want but until you address the fact that tourism is down in ALL American cities I'm just going to assume you're rant is... just a rant.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

IOW, Trump didn't say it, but you think they'll be convinced by Fake news that he meant it.

son of witless

What you say makes no sense. The people who are not from the banned countries do not feel welcome in San Francisco even though the ban has nothing to do with them and they know that the good citizens of that city hate Trump. It cannot be true because it is illogical. However, I am open minded like you would not believe. I am always happy to be proven wrong by my moral superiors. So prove what you say. Prove that the drop in tourism to the great city of San Francisco is do to the Trump Travel Ban.

You know I found your reference to the 1960s counter culture to be of interest. Years ago I saw a documentary on the mid late 60s drug scene there. That is not something any city should brag about. Hundreds of innocent teenagers arriving to be exploited by pimps and drug dealers. A real manure pile of culture. From what I have heard from friends who have been there on business trips not a lot has changed in 50 years. Homeless people and open defecating. I bet the flies are in heaven.

straightUp Loc: California

No, that's not what I said. Forget fake news for minute (and you don't have to capitalize "fake" - it's not a proper noun) What I said is that people can read the writing on the wall. That expression generally means getting a read on something WITHOUT being spoon fed. I assume you're intelligent enough to notice that one of the unique characteristics of the Trump administration is unpredictability. Even his own people are acknowledging this and trying to turn it into a perceived advantage. It's this unpredictability that gives would be tourists second thoughts.

Most of the world views the Trump administration as a regime change. Destinations under regime change is something tourists have always tried to avoid, especially if it's negative and/or potentially threatening, which how most people in developed countries see the Trump regime anyway and those tend to be the countries where tourists come from.

straightUp Loc: California

Read my response to Super Dave. I had to explain it to him too.


I don't know what kind of sanitized clean room existence you live in, but old cities always have their darker stories. San Francisco was also the site of extreme exploitation of immigrants from China in the 19th century and opium was rampant. I'm not going to sit here like a stupid turd and argue about how "good" San Francisco is. The point I made earlier is that the gay community isn't the only thing that San Francisco is KNOWN for.


I've done a lot of business travel myself and I've noticed in places like the South there is a lot of animosity toward California for some reason, coming from people that have never even been there. They just hate California. It's kind of weird how these people get so obsessed with our state to the point where they actually get upset about it. I'm sure your friends had all kinds of horrible things to say about San Francisco, maybe even lied a little. Open defecating for instance, in all the years I've worked in San Francisco I have NEVER seen anyone do that, nor have I seen evidence of it, although I remember smelling it once. Just so you know, even in liberal San Francisco it's illegal to shit in public.

Then again, I was working in the finance district near the Embarcadero where the streets are kept pretty clean. Maybe your friends had business in more questionable places, or maybe they were just exaggerating. I honestly find it hard to believe open defecation is something someone would see on a typical business trip. That doesn't mean I'm denying it's existence. San Francisco is a major city so there going to be some dirt.

Maybe your friends were just commenting on something they read. There's a lot of discussion out here about what to do with the homeless people and seeing how typical it is for people like you to jump to conclusions, I'm going to explain something. What's causing homelessness in the Bay Area is commercial success. It's called gentrification where an abundance of successful people loaded with money are driving up the cost of housing and pushing out the less successful. Being a mecca for artists, SF became home to many struggling artists. But also being a mecca for research and development means a lot of venture capital is moving in and that's pushing the folks of lesser means to the streets and across the Bay to Oakland.

Not many cities in the Red States of America even come close to that kind of commercial success and EVERYONE is of lesser means so gentrification isn't issue. This will probably be yet another example of how SF will have to innovate to find a solution and when/if any of the Red States ever come close to that kind of capital success they will have an example to follow. Hopefully.

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

BTW,your Obama was the one who put these 6 countries on travel ban notice... So if you have any problems have with your lovely Obama!1

son of witless

You sure talk a lot. Not that it is a bad thing. It just makes it difficult to focus on important points. Let me start with this if I may.

" Most of the world views the Trump administration as a regime change. Destinations under regime change is something tourists have always tried to avoid, especially if it's negative and/or potentially threatening, which how most people in developed countries see the Trump regime anyway and those tend to be the countries where tourists come from. "

I am struggling with how to put this in a delicate way that won't hurt your feelings. That is a load of baloney. Countries under regime change are viewed by tourists as being unsafe. In other words, law and order is breaking down and the chances of them being victims of crime or government misconduct are increasing.

First of all you have, as usual presented zero evidence that tourists perceive the United States as being more unsafe, more unstable, and more difficult to travel to than under the Great Barak Obama. Second you have shown zero evidence that more tourists are victims of crime or government misconduct in the last 7 months than under Obama.

Considering that Sanctuary cities are very very unsafe for everyone and President Trump is working to end them and plus President Trump is prioritizing apprehending criminal aliens such as MS-13 gang members, which flourished under the illegal friendly Obama Regime, if anything tourists should find that America is much safer to visit than places such as I don't know, Europe, where Leftist governments cannot protect their citizens from terrorists. I also point out that such tourist unfriendly events such as the burning down of Ferguson by rioters occurred under President Obama.

" I've done a lot of business travel myself and I've noticed in places like the South there is a lot of animosity toward California for some reason, coming from people that have never even been there. They just hate California. It's kind of weird how these people get so obsessed with our state to the point where they actually get upset about it. "

That is the funniest thing you've said yet. You Californians have to be the most blind, deaf, and dumb citizens of these here United States of America. You apparently see yourselves as harmless little fuzzballs not bothering anyone, and out of the blue these knuckle dragging Neanderthal Barbarians from the uncivilized wastelands of Red State America keep going out of their way to pick fights with you.

Geez ole willocers, now how best to splain this to you with out citing too many examples? Wait, wait I thought of an example. It is not the best or worst example, but I think it will do. You will recall the boycott of North Carolina? It was over transgendered bathrooms. You with me so far? Good. Now I realize that this was not California's fault. However, , , , , California is ground zero, the poster child of a state as it were, for Gay, Transgender, Unconventional attacks on traditional American Values. This is one example. There are too many to list here. However, another perhaps more easily understood example just occurred to me.

Do you remember Candidate Barak Hussein Obama's bitter clinger remarks? Well they were off the cuff, which meant that for Obama they were unusually honest. It is hard to catch him saying what he really believes. And again this is not California's fault. I mean it was Obama, not California who spoke these offensive thoughts. They insulted Red State Americans, at least we took it that way, but even that is not the important point. The salient point is that Senator Barak Obama chose to say it to an audience in San Francisco because he perceived them to be receptive to these words.