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Jul 27, 2017 21:07:13   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
Right what you've proven is that in those 2 centuries both genders served and served well, so nothing has changed, no matter your sex you have a useful purpose,period.
This whole gender ploy is simply another Trump distraction.


Every military on the planet hasn't spent the last two thousand years employing some Trump gender ploy.

I don't know if you were in the military. I don't know if you know anybody that was in the military.

Has it occurred to you just possibly that every military on the planet since the dawn of time all agreeing on something might indicate that they have figured something out that you don't know?

What is it about progressives that makes them think they can control things they don't understand?

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Jul 27, 2017 21:22:09   #
Morgan
 
Super Dave wrote:
Every military on the planet hasn't spent the last two thousand years employing some Trump gender ploy.

I don't know if you were in the military. I don't know if you know anybody that was in the military.

Has it occurred to you just possibly that every military on the planet since the dawn of time all agreeing on something might indicate that they have figured something out that you don't know?

What is it about progressives that makes them think they can control things they don't understand?
Every military on the planet hasn't spent the last... (show quote)



It's the right that never understands as shown here in your post. What does it take for things to sink in.

everyone has their purpose and expertise, that includes in the military
everyone has their purpose and expertise, that inc...

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Jul 27, 2017 22:11:20   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Morgan wrote:
It's the right that never understands as shown here in your post. What does it take for things to sink in.


Somehow you said it but I don't think you understand it.

The military has a purpose. That purpose is to destroy other country's militaries. Bomb their power plants. Destroy their airports. Shoot down their planes. Sink their boats. Kill their soldiers.

Making a safe-space for the sexually confused is not what the military does.

But if you think it's such a stinking genius idea please answer me this question:

Why do you think Obama waited untill just before he left office to employ this idiocy?

Don't you think it's telling that he wanted to make sure he was out of office before the damage occurred?

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Jul 27, 2017 22:12:27   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Morgan wrote:
It's the right that never understands as shown here in your post. What does it take for things to sink in.

Morgan, I love that quote from Einstein, and have used it myself a couple of times on the forum.

It could be used more often.

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Jul 27, 2017 22:15:57   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
Wolf, I just read this story today, and was taken aback. It's not so much a matter of whether I am for or against Trump's decision....I simply find Kristen Beck an exceptional individual. Having read a capsulization of her life's story, I found myself wondering how many more like her are out there. Admittedly, her transformation came after retiring from the Navy, but....twenty years of dedicated service while languishing in personal turmoil.

I equate her personal anguish/sacrifice, somewhat, to that of Bruce Jenner. Both individuals had led highly successful lives before they gave in to what had to have been an extremely tough transition. No one should doubt eithers courage in doing so. I wish them both luck in their current lives.

BTW, I read that Ms. Beck challenged Steny Hoyer for his congressional seat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristin_Beck
Wolf, I just read this story today, and was taken ... (show quote)


So the Seal
Transgendered after his retirement? That is relevant. You brought up Jenner. What if Jenner had transitioned in to a woman before his Olympic victory? Would Jenner have been eligible to compete as a woman? Would Jenner have been able to defeat men after the transition?

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Jul 27, 2017 22:16:57   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
slatten49 wrote:
Morgan, I love that quote from Einstein, and have used it myself a couple of times on the forum.

It could be used more often.


It's ironic that that quote is counter to her argument.

Militaries are good being a military.

Transgender people have their qualities and shortcomings like other people.

Overly obese, Dwarven mentally challenged, and severely disabled people are not suitable for the military. Trying to make the military accept them would make the military worse.

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Jul 27, 2017 22:33:05   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
So the Seal
Transgendered after his retirement? That is relevant. You brought up Jenner. What if Jenner had transitioned in to a woman before his Olympic victory? Would Jenner have been eligible to compete as a woman? Would Jenner have been able to defeat men after the transition?

The obvious answer to those questions, IMO, would be a resounding 'NO.' The same with Beck. But, that is most likely irrelevant. Both were probably overachievers due to their desires to prove their 'manliness' and quite probably to help escape or erase the innermost feelings that each said haunted them for years/decades. Of course, I am no psychiatrist, and depend mostly on gleaning interviews, books or memoirs in taking their word on such. One does not win the Olympic Decathlon or become a highly decorated member of an elite fighting force without being driven by great motivation. It is clear from those readings that both were 'transgenders' emotionally and psychologically long before their physical transformations.

As I said, though, I am no psychiatrist.

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Jul 27, 2017 22:48:47   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
The obvious answer to those questions would be a resounding 'NO.' The same with Beck. But, that is most likely irrelevant. Both were probably overachievers due to their desires to prove their 'manliness' and quite probably to help escape or erase the innermost feelings that each said haunted them for years/decades. Of course, I am no psychiatrist, and depend mostly on gleaning interviews, books or memoirs in taking their word on such. One does not win the Olympic Decathlon or become a highly decorated member of an elite fighting force without being driven by great motivation. It is clear from those readings that both were 'transgenders' emotionally and psychologically long before their physical transformations.

As I said, though, I am no psychiatrist.
The obvious answer to those questions would be a r... (show quote)

BTW, how many remember Richard Raskind, the male doctor who transgendered in the 70's and became a professional lady tennis player...with modest success as Renee Richards? Dr. Richards, before becoming a transgender, had been a nationally-ranked male tennis amateur. He was around 40 years old when he made the transition. The following came from Wikipedia:

Renée Richards (born August 19, 1934) is an American ophthalmologist and former tennis player who had some success on the professional circuit in the 1970s. In 1975 Richards underwent male-to-female sex reassignment surgery. She was then denied entry into the 1976 US Open by the United States Tennis Association, which began that year requiring genetic screening for female players. She disputed this policy, and the New York Supreme Court ruled in her favor in 1977 in a decision in favor of transsexual rights. As one of the first professional athletes to identify as such, she became a spokesperson for the transgender community.

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Jul 27, 2017 22:56:47   #
debeda
 
confused one wrote:
Thrown out upon turning 17, I spent 3 long years in the army. There is no way.
Think of the law suits that would be filed for various kinds of discrimination, court orders saying so many
have to be promoted to meet a quota etc.
I saw many vicious incidents in the military fueled by alcohol, racism and cracking under pressure. We were so called
brothers in arms with many of us carrying strong dislikes for some members of our own platoon, me included.
That was 1964-1967. Common sense tells me it's far more complicated these days with widespread drug use, stated political views and
ever growing racial tensions.
About the Seal named above. I wonder how many of his fellow Seals today would share his opinion.
Thrown out upon turning 17, I spent 3 long years i... (show quote)


well said

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Jul 27, 2017 23:00:33   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Super Dave wrote:
Every military on the planet hasn't spent the last two thousand years employing some Trump gender ploy.

I don't know if you were in the military. I don't know if you know anybody that was in the military.

Has it occurred to you just possibly that every military on the planet since the dawn of time all agreeing on something might indicate that they have figured something out that you don't know?

What is it about progressives that makes them think they can control things they don't understand?
Every military on the planet hasn't spent the last... (show quote)


I'm not entirely sure what you are saying, Dave. But it sounds like you feel authorized to speak for all military for the last two thousand years. I'd be very interested in knowing your qualifications for that.

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Jul 27, 2017 23:26:01   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
slatten49 wrote:
The obvious answer to those questions, IMO, would be a resounding 'NO.' The same with Beck. But, that is most likely irrelevant. Both were probably overachievers due to their desires to prove their 'manliness' and quite probably to help escape or erase the innermost feelings that each said haunted them for years/decades. Of course, I am no psychiatrist, and depend mostly on gleaning interviews, books or memoirs in taking their word on such. One does not win the Olympic Decathlon or become a highly decorated member of an elite fighting force without being driven by great motivation. It is clear from those readings that both were 'transgenders' emotionally and psychologically long before their physical transformations.

As I said, though, I am no psychiatrist.
The obvious answer to those questions, IMO, would ... (show quote)


Nor did you interview then at their enlistment so you have nothing on which to base your conclusions. Had an open gay been in any of the units in which I served, they would have been treated to a blanket party, then after they recovered from tat beating, they would have received a good of the service discharge.

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Jul 27, 2017 23:50:32   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Not replying to anyone in particular.
But once again, Trae Crowder gets it right with redneck comedy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BROaQg5pDhs

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Jul 28, 2017 00:02:22   #
PeterS
 
slatten49 wrote:
Paul Szoldra
Business Insider,
Wednesday, July 26, 2017

A retired Navy SEAL Team 6 hero who is transgender had a message for President Donald Trump after he announced the US military would bar transgender people from serving.

"Let's meet face to face and you tell me I'm not worthy," Kristin Beck, a 20-year veteran of the Navy SEALs, told Business Insider on Wednesday. "Transgender doesn't matter. Do your service."

Beck said Trump's abrupt change in policy could negatively affect many currently or wanting to serve in the military. The RAND Corporation estimated in 2016 that there were between 1,320 and 6,630 transgender people serving. Many of them just want to serve their country like everyone else, Beck said.

"Being transgender doesn't affect anyone else," Beck said. "We are liberty's light. If you can't defend that for everyone that's an American citizen, that's not right."

Beck is not just your average service member. Born Christopher Beck, she served for 20 years in the Navy with SEAL Teams 1, 5, and, eventually, the elite 6. She deployed 13 times over two decades, including stints in Bosnia, Iraq, and Afghanistan. She received the Bronze Star award for valor and the Purple Heart for wounds suffered in combat. (Those were among Beck's twenty-seven awards/medals/commendations)

"I was defending individual liberty," she said. "I defended for Republicans. I defended for Democrats. I defended for everyone."

In a series of tweets, Trump said the decision was based on the costs of medical services that transgender service members could use. But "the money is negligible," Beck said. "You're talking about .000001% of the military budget.

"They care more about the airplane or the tank than they care about people," Beck said. "They don't care about people. They don't care about human beings."

When asked about potential problems with unit cohesion or war fighting, Beck said those were not issues that would arise from transgender service members, but from leadership.

"A very professional unit with great leadership wouldn't have a problem," Beck said. "I can have a Muslim serving right beside Jerry Falwell, and we're not going to have a problem. It's a leadership issue, not a transgender issue."
Paul Szoldra br Business Insider, br Wednesday, J... (show quote)


The thing is, conservative's consider them as bad or worse then fags. The cost really is secondary...

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Jul 28, 2017 04:50:53   #
Freedomcalls
 
When you took your oath to your country, you signed it, also the zone of silence for 20 years, what name did you sign mr. Miss. Or miz. He was a man , in special op's , orders he gave and signed. That,s who he was and who he is now. The rest is Public Relations , for his future politicts, it was the inthing with ( Obummer) Bary on the Square, and free P R. . Ask not what your country can do for you. (You snowflake), what you can do for your country. Expect nothing in return
Freedom_called we answered.

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Jul 28, 2017 05:21:13   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PaulPisces wrote:
I'm not entirely sure what you are saying, Dave. But it sounds like you feel authorized to speak for all military for the last two thousand years. I'd be very interested in knowing your qualifications for that.

If you think I need qualifications to say that for the last 2000 years military powers in the world were not spend following Trump's dictates, then I guess I'll have to disappoint you.

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