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Jul 19, 2017 09:57:52   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Rand Paul compares the "right" to healthcare and slavery. Although it is not a true analogy (doctors get paid for their services), it is still something to remember and think on. Thanks Mark Davis for this today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrEBBA9hQjA

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Jul 19, 2017 23:49:28   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Rand Paul compares the "right" to healthcare and slavery. Although it is not a true analogy (doctors get paid for their services), it is still something to remember and think on. Thanks Mark Davis for this today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrEBBA9hQjA


Not a single comment on this?

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Jul 20, 2017 03:25:42   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Rand Paul compares the "right" to healthcare and slavery. Although it is not a true analogy (doctors get paid for their services), it is still something to remember and think on. Thanks Mark Davis for this today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrEBBA9hQjA


Say Rand Paul is walking along and he sees a traffic accident and a family of 4 is bleeding out in front of him. Now he says he would love to help them but since they don't have a right to his services he has to be compensated X number of dollar's before he will do anything. Well the dad says he doesn't have any money and no insurance. Rand Paul says, well sorry, can't help you, and moves on...

You are right, it's not a perfect analogy but conservatives believe so strongly in the right to life how on earth could you believe that life should have no quality thereafter? Tell me, would Rand Paul consider a system where everyone pays into it and then that system pays him fair? He would be compensated so he wouldn't be a slave! No, he would reject that too as socialism so this isn't about compensation or being a slave so now the question becomes, what is it...

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Jul 20, 2017 07:18:16   #
rebob14
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Not a single comment on this?


He's correct. This is exactly what the founders, and the Constitution, say. Rights come from Nature's God and the federal government exists for their protection from usurpers who pretend to grant those rights.

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Jul 20, 2017 12:15:43   #
bahmer
 
rebob14 wrote:
He's correct. This is exactly what the founders, and the Constitution, say. Rights come from Nature's God and the federal government exists for their protection from usurpers who pretend to grant those rights.


Spot on and Rand Paul is absolutely right.

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Jul 20, 2017 16:45:25   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
Say Rand Paul is walking along and he sees a traffic accident and a family of 4 is bleeding out in front of him. Now he says he would love to help them but since they don't have a right to his services he has to be compensated X number of dollar's before he will do anything. Well the dad says he doesn't have any money and no insurance. Rand Paul says, well sorry, can't help you, and moves on...

You are right, it's not a perfect analogy but conservatives believe so strongly in the right to life how on earth could you believe that life should have no quality thereafter? Tell me, would Rand Paul consider a system where everyone pays into it and then that system pays him fair? He would be compensated so he wouldn't be a slave! No, he would reject that too as socialism so this isn't about compensation or being a slave so now the question becomes, what is it...
Say Rand Paul is walking along and he sees a traff... (show quote)


Actually we have to help or lose our licenses, and we can't bill for it.

That being said, Paul makes a good point. Where do our rights stop if we can hijack healthcare as a right??

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Jul 20, 2017 16:46:23   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
bahmer wrote:
Spot on and Rand Paul is absolutely right.


Agreed. I'm wondering why this isn't agreed on by more conservatives??

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Jul 20, 2017 18:09:04   #
PeterS
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Actually we have to help or lose our licenses, and we can't bill for it.

That being said, Paul makes a good point. Where do our rights stop if we can hijack healthcare as a right??

You missed the point of the analogy and a single payer system pays you for your services so no one is being hijacked. The problem is conservatives would call that socialism which means we aren't talking about rights--unless the argument is that people have a right to get wealthy from the suffering of others...

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Jul 20, 2017 21:54:33   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
You missed the point of the analogy and a single payer system pays you for your services so no one is being hijacked. The problem is conservatives would call that socialism which means we aren't talking about rights--unless the argument is that people have a right to get wealthy from the suffering of others...


You over applied the analogy. It is, after all, an analogy.

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