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How not to balance a budget
Jul 19, 2017 08:24:35   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
Redefine what a balanced budget means : I can balance all 300,000 pages on one hand, therefor it is balanced.

Save $1 here, spend an extra $2 over there.

Make a revenue neutral tax plan; move money from this column to that column, get the same amount of tax and spend more.

Blame Democrats for spending - even though YOU control Congress and have for years.

Blame the previous President and act like there's nothing you can do about it because he was smarter than you.

Determine what sacrifices OTHERS must make, while preserving the shit YOU want.

Take $1 from poor people, give an extra $2 to rich people.

Blame the middle class for not paying enough taxes.

Pay yourself first, fund your pet projects and programs next, then try to screw everybody else out of something.

Pretend that by giving the rich a break, they'll buy more stuff, or figure out a way to make more money by hiring some more people who will pay taxes ( the average worker would take 20 years to compensate for the tax break for one rich person ).

Talk about spending cuts and tax reform - but do the same shit you always do.

yep, that oughta do it!

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Jul 19, 2017 08:39:02   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Redefine what a balanced budget means : I can balance all 300,000 pages on one hand, therefor it is balanced.

Save $1 here, spend an extra $2 over there.

Make a revenue neutral tax plan; move money from this column to that column, get the same amount of tax and spend more.

Blame Democrats for spending - even though YOU control Congress and have for years.

Blame the previous President and act like there's nothing you can do about it because he was smarter than you.

Determine what sacrifices OTHERS must make, while preserving the shit YOU want.

Take $1 from poor people, give an extra $2 to rich people.

Blame the middle class for not paying enough taxes.

Pay yourself first, fund your pet projects and programs next, then try to screw everybody else out of something.

Pretend that by giving the rich a break, they'll buy more stuff, or figure out a way to make more money by hiring some more people who will pay taxes ( the average worker would take 20 years to compensate for the tax break for one rich person ).

Talk about spending cuts and tax reform - but do the same shit you always do.

yep, that oughta do it!
Redefine what a balanced budget means : I can bala... (show quote)


All of the conservatives on OPP blame the purse string holders for spending.

It's true POTUS has veto authority and Schumer has filibuster power, but conservatives know who spends money.

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Jul 19, 2017 09:21:42   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Agree with what you say. Actually agreed with most of what major said and he's a douche bag. Only thing he said I don't get is how do they take $1.00 from the poor and give $2.00 to the rich?
Super Dave wrote:
All of the conservatives on OPP blame the purse string holders for spending.

It's true POTUS has veto authority and Schumer has filibuster power, but conservatives know who spends money.

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Jul 19, 2017 10:10:41   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Redefine what a balanced budget means : I can balance all 300,000 pages on one hand, therefor it is balanced.

Save $1 here, spend an extra $2 over there.

Make a revenue neutral tax plan; move money from this column to that column, get the same amount of tax and spend more.

Blame Democrats for spending - even though YOU control Congress and have for years.

Blame the previous President and act like there's nothing you can do about it because he was smarter than you.

Determine what sacrifices OTHERS must make, while preserving the shit YOU want.

Take $1 from poor people, give an extra $2 to rich people.

Blame the middle class for not paying enough taxes.

Pay yourself first, fund your pet projects and programs next, then try to screw everybody else out of something.

Pretend that by giving the rich a break, they'll buy more stuff, or figure out a way to make more money by hiring some more people who will pay taxes ( the average worker would take 20 years to compensate for the tax break for one rich person ).

Talk about spending cuts and tax reform - but do the same shit you always do.

yep, that oughta do it!
Redefine what a balanced budget means : I can bala... (show quote)




"Republicans control Congress and have for years". Therefore it follows that it is the Republicans fault that the budget isn't balanced. Right? My friend, let me show you how absurd that is. Since 1960, we have had approximately 29 Congresses. During that time, the Democrats have controlled the House and Senate approximately twice as many terms as the Republicans. This is easy to check out, if you know anything about how to Google information. The Dems have had control about 19 times for each 10 the GOP has had control. If you don't like the spending habits of Congress, which I do not either, then you had better be looking to your buddies with the donkey on their lapel. I understand how this can be misconstrued by the public since journalists who are Democrats outnumber those who vote Republican by 93 to 7. That is the same reason for the uproar against Trump. The media, Hollywood and academia do not want it changed, just like most of Congress, including RINO's and Democrats.

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Jul 19, 2017 10:45:46   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Taxes don't belong to the government, they are the money that people have earned through their work, or the reward for the risk on their investments, and which you 'TAKE FROM THEM', and when taxes are lowered by percentages, you are not giving the rich $2 and the poor only $1, you are just not taking those dollars that they earned, and are allowing them to keep more of their own money.

When tax cuts are made by percentages, and the rich get to keep more of their money, it is their money that they are keeping, not yours or the governments. If that money being kept by the rich is more money than is being kept by the poor, when both are allowed to keep the same percentage of their own money, it's only more money than the poor gets to keep because the rich have been paying much more of their own money in taxes than the poor have.

That's the problem when you put people in the government and give them a little power, they think that everything belongs to them, not the people who have earned it through hard work or risky investments. As for those liberals that are not in the government, they think they are little gods, and know what is best for everyone, and therefore what everyone has earned should be shared with them, even though they didn't lift a finger to earn any of it.

That's the problem with liberals today, and the 'Founding Fathers' were very aware of this problem, that the King of England and the British Parliament exhibted and forced on them also, and the reason they wrote so many limitations on our government, which liberals today ignore and treat those limitations as irrelevent. When you keep a higher percentage of one persons money than anothers, because they worked harder or took the risk to invest more, you are stealing from the one you require a bigger percentage from, just because he is more successful than others.

There is no way in GOD's eyes that this is fair, but then again, liberals today don't believe in a GOD, and this is their reason why they don't. They want to steal from successful people, calling it 'Graduated Tax Plans', without being labeled as unfair and a sinner, for if there is no GOD, then there is no sin, and fair is what those in power decide it is, not what the people think it is. Being liberal is akin to being a totalitarian, and most Americans haven't recognized that, 'YET'. But they will, just as the people of Venezuella are learning today.

Today liberals cry out that everyone should pay their fare share, but 50% of the American people pay no taxes at all, and more than half of those are given money that they never paid in, from taxes that the rich were forced to overpay. What is fair with that, that those in power get to decide what is fair, not what the people think is fair, hence totalitarian measures perpetrated on those who are the ones who have made America great, and which will eventually destoy them, the 'Gooses that Lay the Golden Eggs'. At least those who have not yet taken their businesses and entrepreneurship from the USA to other countries that do treat them fairly.



lpnmajor wrote:
Redefine what a balanced budget means : I can balance all 300,000 pages on one hand, therefor it is balanced.

Save $1 here, spend an extra $2 over there.

Make a revenue neutral tax plan; move money from this column to that column, get the same amount of tax and spend more.

Blame Democrats for spending - even though YOU control Congress and have for years.

Blame the previous President and act like there's nothing you can do about it because he was smarter than you.

Determine what sacrifices OTHERS must make, while preserving the shit YOU want.

Take $1 from poor people, give an extra $2 to rich people.

Blame the middle class for not paying enough taxes.

Pay yourself first, fund your pet projects and programs next, then try to screw everybody else out of something.

Pretend that by giving the rich a break, they'll buy more stuff, or figure out a way to make more money by hiring some more people who will pay taxes ( the average worker would take 20 years to compensate for the tax break for one rich person ).

Talk about spending cuts and tax reform - but do the same shit you always do.

yep, that oughta do it!
Redefine what a balanced budget means : I can bala... (show quote)

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Jul 19, 2017 10:46:57   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
JFlorio wrote:
Agree with what you say. Actually agreed with most of what major said and he's a douche bag. Only thing he said I don't get is how do they take $1.00 from the poor and give $2.00 to the rich?


They go to the Federal Reserve Thieves guild. The Thieves Guild counterfeits money which they issue to the government in return for a lien (Bonds) on the nations productivity (interest). The Thieves Guild then sells these liens to other plutocrats, who then happily batten on the lions share of the nations productivity without doing any work. The government is happy because they have 2 dollars instead of one. The Thieves are happy because the money was created out of thin air, of which there is an endless free supply and they have fools who will pay them to lie and claim the money has real value.

Who pays for this? You do when you go to the store and find a gallon of milk now costs fifty cents more than two weeks ago and it isn't due to transport costs or milk scarcity. Instead it simply is that your money has been debased by the actions of the Thieves Guild inserting counterfeit into the economy so it takes more money to get the same item with all other factors being equal.

Ponzi was a piker -- Janet Yellen would have eaten him for lunch and still been hungry.

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Jul 19, 2017 11:00:39   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
JFlorio wrote:
Agree with what you say. Actually agreed with most of what major said and he's a douche bag. Only thing he said I don't get is how do they take $1.00 from the poor and give $2.00 to the rich?


Tax breaks my friend, tax breaks. What can the poor ( which includes the middle class now ), do with lower capital gains taxes ( or the elimination thereof ), eliminated inheritance taxes and interest carryover exemptions, as well as the 1000 other loopholes? Not a damn thing. 90% of the tax code is the perks for the wealthy - the poor just pay.

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Jul 19, 2017 11:08:47   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
The poor don't pay major. That's the truth. We can argue all day about tax breaks and crony capitalism which I am against because I am a flat tax kinda guy. I am against any death tax. Good lord the money has been taxed already. You are correct. The tax code is nothing more than a pay to play handbook.
lpnmajor wrote:
Tax breaks my friend, tax breaks. What can the poor ( which includes the middle class now ), do with lower capital gains taxes ( or the elimination thereof ), eliminated inheritance taxes and interest carryover exemptions, as well as the 1000 other loopholes? Not a damn thing. 90% of the tax code is the perks for the wealthy - the poor just pay.

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Jul 19, 2017 11:13:33   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
JFlorio wrote:
The poor don't pay major. That's the truth. We can argue all day about tax breaks and crony capitalism which I am against because I am a flat tax kinda guy. I am against any death tax. Good lord the money has been taxed already. You are correct. The tax code is nothing more than a pay to play handbook.


Of course the poor pay. They pay federal, State and city taxes on everything they buy to survive and income taxes are only an insignificant portion of what we pay in taxes, as most are hidden. Only politicians and the uber wealthy are exempt from those taxes. If you don't believe that, find out how many wealthy people own their homes, planes, boats etc. They don't own anything......their corporations do...........and it's tax deductible.

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Jul 19, 2017 11:53:41   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
They do pay state and city and yes Federal taxes. However; most get all back and or more due to child tax credits. All depends on what you consider poor. Wealthy people pay almost 80 of all Federal taxes. 47% pay none. The tax code is written for the wealthy and elite. It is as unfair as it can be because of loopholes. You will never get me to defend our tax code. I have a real problem with someone being disparaged because they are wealthy as long as that wealth was not accumulated criminally. I also hate , just as much a system that at best ignores the working class and at worst takes advantage of them. Exactly why I am in favor of a flat or fair tax. Probably never happen because politicians couldn't use the tax code as an incentive to pick up constituents.
lpnmajor wrote:
Of course the poor pay. They pay federal, State and city taxes on everything they buy to survive and income taxes are only an insignificant portion of what we pay in taxes, as most are hidden. Only politicians and the uber wealthy are exempt from those taxes. If you don't believe that, find out how many wealthy people own their homes, planes, boats etc. They don't own anything......their corporations do...........and it's tax deductible.
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