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Jul 18, 2017 16:45:42 #
An interesting take on new Technology
interesting…if factual
Thought you might find this interesting. It is by a retired Engineer from
Con-Edison. I always wondered why we never saw a cost analysis on
what it actually costs to operate an electric car.
Now we know why......
At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive.
I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.
If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face
certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp
service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street
(approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry
more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have
electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.
This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles ... Our residential infrastructure
cannot bear the load
So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged
to buy the damn things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with
expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire
delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down
this dead-end road that it will be presented with an oops and a shrug (read Atlas Shrugged).
If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the
following: Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. Its enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors...and he writes...
For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt
switched tothe reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the
25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh
battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 and 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at
60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours.
In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10
hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never
mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately
(it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh =
$18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to
operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine
that gets only 32 mpg. $319 (now avg. 2.20 in the lower 48) per gallon divided by 32 mpg =
$0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car costs about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000........
So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay 3 times
as much for a car, that costs more than 7 times as much to run, and takes 3 times longer
to drive across the country..... All the while the real “Elephant in the room”, is the fact;
there is not enough Lithium on the Earth to produce 12% of the demand should the world go
to Electric Cars. Let alone for replacement batteries.
interesting…if factual
Thought you might find this interesting. It is by a retired Engineer from
Con-Edison. I always wondered why we never saw a cost analysis on
what it actually costs to operate an electric car.
Now we know why......
At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive.
I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.
If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face
certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp
service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street
(approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry
more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have
electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.
This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles ... Our residential infrastructure
cannot bear the load
So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged
to buy the damn things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with
expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire
delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down
this dead-end road that it will be presented with an oops and a shrug (read Atlas Shrugged).
If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read the
following: Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. Its enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors...and he writes...
For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt
switched tothe reserve gasoline engine. Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the
25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh
battery is approximately 270 miles. It will take you 4 and 1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at
60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours.
In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph.
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10
hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never
mentioned, so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately
(it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh =
$18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to
operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine
that gets only 32 mpg. $319 (now avg. 2.20 in the lower 48) per gallon divided by 32 mpg =
$0.10 per mile. The gasoline powered car costs about $15,000 while the Volt costs $46,000........
So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay 3 times
as much for a car, that costs more than 7 times as much to run, and takes 3 times longer
to drive across the country..... All the while the real “Elephant in the room”, is the fact;
there is not enough Lithium on the Earth to produce 12% of the demand should the world go
to Electric Cars. Let alone for replacement batteries.
Jul 18, 2017 18:02:41 #
Jul 18, 2017 18:02:55 #
wuzblynd
Loc: thomson georgia
Oldsailor65 wrote:
An interesting take on new Technology br br inter... (show quote)
No wonder they are not all that popular.
Jul 18, 2017 18:07:33 #
Oldsailor65 wrote:
An interesting take on new Technology br br inter... (show quote)
The situation in Hong Kong is instructive.
http://qz.com/1024886/nobody-in-hong-kong-wants-a-teslanasdaq-tslaanymore/
Jul 19, 2017 11:41:34 #
GEE,lets compare the cost of driving the chev volt,with ME,driving my 2 toyota Priuses, I have a 2007,that averages about 44 MPG,and my 2015,gets about 54 MPG,(on a trip) the 2007 costs me about (at todays gas price of $2.26,) about 5.13 cents per mile,the 2015,(also at todays gas price of $2.26) costs me about 4.1 cent per mile, lets compare this to the piss poor range of either the volt,.75 per mile,,or the tesla,what a joke,theres no comparison,and I dont pay for charging the battery,my cars charge it themselves. maybe tesla and volt,should ask Toyota to license the prius technology to them,,,(toyota would tell them to piss in their hat,then wear it.
Jul 19, 2017 14:08:44 #
Oldsailor65 wrote:
An interesting take on new Technology br br inter... (show quote)
The part I have to argue with is the cost of electricity. I retired from my States' largest utility and I also worked for the Department of Energy. Nowhere in the United States does electricity cost $1.16 per killowatt hour. I used 1376 Kwh last month. At that rate my electric bill would have been; $1589. The bill was actually, $212.80. Here is a link on the real average cost of electricity by State:
http://www.neo.ne.gov/statshtml/204.htm
That would make my cost to charge the car, $1.66. (That's 16 times $0.1040) Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.
Semper Fi
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