Tgards79

Though Donald Trump, Jr., appears to be mired in what might be called MoronGate, BTRTN presents a chilling explanation of why the Trumpeteers don't seem to be too worried about it. Read about it in "Pardon Me! (And me! Me, too! Don't forget me!):
http://www.borntorunthenumbers.com/2017/07/pardon-me-and-me-me-too-dont-forget-me.html

pafret Loc: Northeast

Colluding is defined as a crime in which statute? Every Business meeting is collusion, every CFR meeting, every Trilateral meeting and any meeting in general can be called colluding. When CEO's get together to discuss buyouts or mergers, they are colluding. Just because the meeting is secret or private doesn't automatically mean it is illegal. This term has a specific meaning in law of illegal cooperation or conspiracy, but there is no law being violated, hence no collusion in the legal sense.

Tgards79

Ah, so before it was "there was not collusion at all!!!!!" And now it is, "There was collusion but there is nothing wrong with collusion!!!!!" Look yourself in the mirror and say, if Chelsea Clinton met with a bunch of Russians with clear ties to the Russian government, on the pretext that they had dirt on Trump, would you be saying the same thing?

pafret Loc: Northeast

Yes! In point of fact, the Clintons did meet with Russians as well as Ukrainians and their collusion resulted in false information being disseminated by design. This I would say falls into the criminal area in terms of violation of the Hatch Act. Clinton's minions were federal employees whereas D J Trump jr was a private citizen and the provisions of this act do not apply to him. Again, there is no evidence of criminality; the gathering of detrimental data is a ubiquitous practice and as long as no agreement was discussed or entered into to commit a criminal act it is protected free speech.

Tgards79

I'm happy to throw the Clinton's in jail if they did wrong. Just because they did it does not make it right or legal or we can excuse the Trump people. If I steal a car and get away with it, does that mean you can steal one, too, and are excused from jal if you are caught? Trump, Jr, Manafort and Kushner are all subject to violation of campaign laws on accepted things of value from a foreign government. Anyway, let's see where this goes. They deny, deny, deny and more drips out that is evidence of a cover-up. Let's see where it goes.

pafret Loc: Northeast

That has neither been an accusation nor proven that they accepted things of value. To date, none of the participants have stated that anything of value was transferred and the campaign election laws are a farce. Hillary Clinton's foundation was a gigantic slush fund contributed mostly by foreign governments who skated US law by contributing to a Canadian "Charity" which then contributed to Hillary and Billery.

You fail to recognize the differnce between private citizens engaged in the ordinary political process while ignoring the same behavior which is illegal for government employees. This whole meeting was a setup for the express purpose of discrediting the Trumps and if the MainStreamLiars didn't carry on incessantly about trivia, we wouldn't be wasting time on this at all.

Tgards79

These are campaign officials and they are subject to campaign laws. Forget about Hillary Clinton. Just stop. Jail her, fine. I care about this President. You have got to be kidding me. The GOP's nominees son gets a clearly labeled email about the Russian Government having dirt it wanted to give the campaign about Clinton, and you call this "ordinary political process"????? There is absolutely nothing ordinary about it!!!

pafret Loc: Northeast

Did you just fall off the turnip truck? Politics is a dirty business and this is standard mode of operation. The Justice (Loretta Lynch) department colluded with the DNC to get the woman lawyer into the country so she could lure D J Trump jr to a meeting to collude on discussing Clinton collusion with the Russians. Very Machiavellian and you want to take umbrage because Junior Trump was willing and delighted to get suckered. The use of government employees to influence elections in this manner is the heart of what the Hatch act is designed to prevent but I see no indignation that these people are not called to task and prosecuted.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

Simple question for you.

You receive an email saying there is condemning information about a person who is berating your father and that they want to share it with you. You say you are interested and as a private citizen you go to a meeting to see this information.

At the meeting, after 10 minutes you see there is no information and you leave.

What law(s) have you broken?

Tgards79

My father (who is not longer alive) is not the GP nominee. The email in question came on behalf of the Russian government. If I received such an email, I go to the FBI, which is what countless GOP operatives have said they would have done.

Why do you defend Don, Jr???? He's an idiot for taking the meeting, clearly you know that. All GOP politicians agree with that. He was involved in the campaign, and so was Manafort -- he was the campaign manager!!!!!!!

pafret Loc: Northeast

Yes he was an idiot! Only an amateur would fall for this ploy. He was probably the "dirty tricks" guy for the campaign and he forgot the first axiom in chess, do not attack without seeing to your defense.

He should have chosen a public venue and insisted on no more than two attendees, himself and the lawyer, with a precondition of no recording devices. Scanners to detect recording devices are readily available.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

You avoid answering which means there was no law broken. It I'm wrong, then post the law (s) and how he broke them. Whether you dislike him or not is irrelevant.

You liberals try every angle you can think up and the bottom line is that you have nothing but ridiculous accusations and not one shred of anything legal.

You hope that if you bombard the public with your sour grapes nonsense, you may pick up an uninformed voter here and there....and you may, but you ignore the other side of the coin where your childish behavior loses you more people than you gain. If you paid attention to more than your liberal sources, you'd see your party shrinking daily. Once the biggest and most powerful, and now #3 working on #4. The reason is that you have no plan for America other than tthese silly attacks and everyone knows that. Even your experts on TV have zero plans. Zip.

You can take your act somewhere else. For you to try this nonsense here where most everyone is very well informed and politically active, shows your lack of judgement and the depth of your hysteria.

No one cares who you like or dislike, or why.

Hillary has a lower approval rating than Trump and that is from your own liberal sources. Pay attention to that.

Your attitude doesn't work and the sooner you admit it the better.....for you. I couldn't care less. I just think all your nonsense is childish and if you think it is getting you somewhere.....that is a childish notion.

Trump Jr. broke no.law and nothing else matters.

You lost. Grow up.

Do I think Jr. was stupid for taking the meeting? Yes. SO WHAT? Did he break a law? NO! Was he under a legal obligation to report it? NO! Was he a private citizen? YES! Does that make a difference? YES! Read law. Everything else is a waste of time.

When one of them breaks a law, let us know. In the meantime quit looking juvenile.