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Jun 27, 2017 11:52:03   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Because many of them think that outsiders should be allowed to be on the government dole just like the rest of them. Who cares who's paying for it as long as it's not them. To give you an example. A friend of mine went to Hospital #1 where they gave him a Cat Scan and Chest X-rays, both pretty "high ticket procedures. Soon after they told him he was going to Vegas to Hosp. #2. Did anyone have a use for the $8,000 cat scan or the $1000 X-rays. If the patient was concerned that he might have to pay for it, he might be upset he was being "milked" for every last dime. Who knows whether or not the cat scan info was forwarded to Hosp. #2? BTW, VA hospital was full (no vacancies) so he had to go to a hospital in Henderson only open since Halloween. First class equipment. He told me the jello was homemade.
Because many of them think that outsiders should b... (show quote)




Spin,

Was it good for your friend that he got to go to a public hospital when the VA could not fit him in??

Thank Obama for that..

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Jun 27, 2017 12:19:37   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
permafrost wrote:
It seems to me the part that was over turned was the most evil part. I guess overturned is not right.. Up held.. They are considering the blocking of the trump ban and kept that part in our law..

Now, per the SCOTUS, anyone with job, school, relatives or any other connection to the US, can come to our country with no problem..

While trumps wish list was for 90 days, What will be left for the court to decide in Oct?


Evil?

Don't be a Drama Queen.

POTUS gas the Constitutional power and duty to manage the borders.

These are all country's where we have no embassy and cannot get the persons wanting to enter.

These are all countries so bad even Obama called them dangerous.

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Jun 27, 2017 13:49:49   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
permafrost wrote:
It seems to me the part that was over turned was the most evil part. I guess overturned is not right.. Up held.. They are considering the blocking of the trump ban and kept that part in our law..

Now, per the SCOTUS, anyone with job, school, relatives or any other connection to the US, can come to our country with no problem..

While trumps wish list was for 90 days, What will be left for the court to decide in Oct?


No, what they did was allow our president to attempt to secure our nation immediately and will deal with the entire issue in October. Until then they are providing for your safety. After the full decision it will be undeniable law and the precedent will be set.

The full contestation will deal with the refusal of two lower court's to.uphold constitutional law and instead rule along political lines. Those.judges are in trouble because they chose to put.you in harm's way in order to further their party's attack on Trump.

As has been happening, this too will blow.up in their faces and now the fuse has been lit.

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Jun 27, 2017 14:36:26   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Docadhoc wrote:
With all the sincerity I can muster may I suggest that you:

Stifle yourself Edith.


It would appear this individual is unable to separate and article written and the person posting it.

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Jun 27, 2017 15:32:12   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
Mr. EZ wrote:
You are a fucking small-minded, evil moron. And clueless to how totally vile you are. Staggering the immensity of your dim-witted blindness. Argh. I know nothing I say will either wake you up or change your mind. That fact drives me crazy. I can't shake you hard enough or snap my fingers loud enough to get you out of your fugue-hate.


and you EZ do not have the mental capacity to denigrate anyone on OPP
let alone AuntieE

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Jun 27, 2017 15:53:42   #
Mr Shako Loc: Colo Spgs
 
Mr. EZ wrote:
You are a fucking small-minded, evil moron. And clueless to how totally vile you are. Staggering the immensity of your dim-witted blindness. Argh. I know nothing I say will either wake you up or change your mind. That fact drives me crazy. I can't shake you hard enough or snap my fingers loud enough to get you out of your fugue-hate.


Why don't you try arguing the legal merits of a rebuttal rather than making a personal and vile attack on a poster who is merely quoting a distinguished law professor? If anything, your comment really applies to yourself. Go take a good look in the mirror!

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Jun 27, 2017 19:13:31   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Mr. EZ wrote:
You are a fucking small-minded, evil moron. And clueless to how totally vile you are. Staggering the immensity of your dim-witted blindness. Argh. I know nothing I say will either wake you up or change your mind. That fact drives me crazy. I can't shake you hard enough or snap my fingers loud enough to get you out of your fugue-hate.

You are completely out-of-line, EZ. I know the woman from personal acquaintance and she is none of what you write, but a lady of the highest order. The fact that she may disagree with your own perspective does not make her an evil or vile person. And, you are the last one to be speaking of another having a fugue-hateful altered state of consciousness. Your behavior through language here is despicable. I hope it is not your normal.

BTW, AuntiE and I often disagree, but I have never found her disagreeable.

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Jun 27, 2017 20:09:43   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
AuntiE wrote:
It would appear this individual is unable to separate and article written and the person posting it.


Apparently. His comprehension leaves much to be desired. It seems to be an affliction shared by many on the left side of the aisle.

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Jun 27, 2017 20:13:10   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Apparently. His comprehension leaves much to be desired. It seems to be an affliction shared by many on the left side of the aisle.


Most lefties are full of hate.

It's the nature of those that feel entitled to other people's work product that keeps them unhappy.

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Jun 27, 2017 20:28:56   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Docadhoc wrote:
No, what they did was allow our president to attempt to secure our nation immediately and will deal with the entire issue in October. Until then they are providing for your safety. After the full decision it will be undeniable law and the precedent will be set.

The full contestation will deal with the refusal of two lower court's to.uphold constitutional law and instead rule along political lines. Those.judges are in trouble because they chose to put.you in harm's way in order to further their party's attack on Trump.

As has been happening, this too will blow.up in their faces and now the fuse has been lit.
No, what they did was allow our president to attem... (show quote)



The ban was for 90 days, come oct, nothing left, time will be up. What will they have left to approve?

No the judges are not in trouble.. courts/judges are with us to pass an opinion, that is the job they do. They are in no way libel if the opinion is overturned by a higher court..

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Jun 27, 2017 20:35:21   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Super Dave wrote:
Most lefties are full of hate.

It's the nature of those that feel entitled to other people's work product that keeps them unhappy.


Yes, but that particular specimen is filled with venom and hate. I sense the individual feels cheated out of something. Not an uncommon position of the uninformed Obama sold on healthcare coverage being a right.

Little or no hope for some of those.

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Jun 27, 2017 20:47:22   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
permafrost wrote:
The ban was for 90 days, come oct, nothing left, time will be up. What will they have left to approve?

No the judges are not in trouble.. courts/judges are with us to pass an opinion, that is the job they do. They are in no way libel if the opinion is overturned by a higher court..


The original ban Trump asked for was 90 days. Is that what the SC granted or did they allow the permissible portions to continue until the full case has been adjudicated?

I doubt very much that the SCOTUS would allow their ruling to expire before hearing the full case. What would be the point in allowing the ban to expire? At this point they have agreed with Trump. You think they will deny him in the end. I think they will rule on it constitutionally and on that it is very clear that the president has the proper authority as granted by the constitution. What I see is the SCOTUS ruling to secure our nation and in Oct. they will set precedent in law.

And I am sorry but every federal judge has sworn to uphold and protect our constitution. By ruling as they did, they defied the constitution and are in jeopardy of being taken down for dereliction.

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Jun 27, 2017 22:01:40   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Docadhoc wrote:
The original ban Trump asked for was 90 days. Is that what the SC granted or did they allow the permissible portions to continue until the full case has been adjudicated?

I doubt very much that the SCOTUS would allow their ruling to expire before hearing the full case. What would be the point in allowing the ban to expire? At this point they have agreed with Trump. You think they will deny him in the end. I think they will rule on it constitutionally and on that it is very clear that the president has the proper authority as granted by the constitution. What I see is the SCOTUS ruling to secure our nation and in Oct. they will set precedent in law.

And I am sorry but every federal judge has sworn to uphold and protect our constitution. By ruling as they did, they defied the constitution and are in jeopardy of being taken down for dereliction.
The original ban Trump asked for was 90 days. Is ... (show quote)
They should be in danger of being removed, but are not.

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Jun 27, 2017 22:01:50   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
AuntiE wrote:
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/339523-opinion-trumps-travel-ban-victory-should-force-media-to

OPINION: Trump's travel ban victory should force media to examine itself

Samuel Johnson once said, “When a man knows he is to be hanged ... it concentrates his mind wonderfully.”

For opponents of the Trump immigration order, minds became distinctly more concentrated around 11am this morning, when the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated much of Trump’s order in a reversal of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. While the court will hear the merits in October and could still rule against the administration, these preliminary decisions often reflect a view of underlying merits.

For those of us who have long argued that the legal authority supported Trump, the order was belated but not surprising. However, the order does offer a brief respite for some self-examination for both legal commentators, and frankly, the courts. At times the analysis surrounding the immigration order seemed to drop any pretense of objectivity and took on the character of open Trump bashing.

The Supreme Court ruled the administration could enforce its immigration order under Section 2(c), which deals with the suspension of entry from six countries. The court ordered that the vetting could commence with the exception of “foreign nationals who lack any bona fide relationship with a person or entity in the United States.”
The court ruled “when it comes to refugees who lack any such connection to the United States, for the reasons we have set out, the balance tips in favor of the Government’s compelling need to provide for the Nation’s security.” The preliminary ruling on this type of stay indicates that, when the final merits are decided, a majority of the court is likely to make the changes permanent and binding.

Indeed, three justices — Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch — did not want any limitation on lifting the injunction and dissented from that part of the opinion. To use Johnson’s rhetoric, the date of the hanging is set for the October term absent a dramatic shift on the court. That gives us some time to contemplate how this controversy has impacted our core institutions.

I previously wrote that Trump seems at times to bring out the worst of people — supporters and opponents alike. Yet, his signature attacks often cause people to fulfill the very stereotypes that he paints, particularly among some reporters and judges. Ironically, Trump’s attacks on the media as biased may not have been true at the outset but they are true now. Mainstream media have become openly hostile to Trump.

There is often little distinction on some cable networks between the hosts and their guests in attacking Trump, who brings much of this criticism on himself in ill-considered and often insulting attacks. However, the media is trained to resist such personal emotions and retain objectivity. Throughout much of its history, it has done precisely that ... until Donald Trump.

He seems like the itch that reporters and commentators just have to scratch and frankly sometimes it seems like a few are enjoying it too much. With ratings soaring, hosts and legal experts have shown little interest or patience in the legal arguments supporting his case, even though the Obama administration advanced similar arguments in court.

The hostile (and often distorted) analysis in the media was disconcerting but predictable, given the trend toward greater opinion-infused coverage. Networks are fighting for greater audience shares based on formulaic coverage — offering echo-chamber analysis to fit the ideological preferences of viewers. For the anti-Trump networks, the legal analysis is tellingly parallel with the political analysis. These cable shows offer clarity to viewers in a world without nuance. The law, however, often draws subtle distinctions and balancing tests. In this way, viewers are being given a false notion of the underlying legal issues in these controversies.

What has been more concerning is the impact of Trump on the courts. Trump shocked many in both parties by his personal attacks on judges as well as general disrespect shown to our courts. These were highly inappropriate and inaccurate statements from a president. However, once again, courts seemed to immediately become the very stereotype that Trump was painting.

Of course, the White House gave the courts a target-rich environment in the first travel order, which was poorly drafted, poorly executed and poorly defended. Yet, the courts did not just strike those portions that were problematic. Where existing case law requires courts to use a scalpel in striking down provisions, judges pulled out a meat ax. They enjoined the entirety of the order while lashing out at Trump’s most sensational campaign rhetoric.

In the second round, the judicial decisions became even more problematic. The Trump administration brought in capable people who drafted the order correctly and defended it well. It addressed glaring errors in the original order like not exempting green card holders. It did not make a difference. The trial court in Hawaii even denied the ability of the administration to study and work on improving vetting procedures in the high-risk countries (part of the order later reversed in the Ninth Circuit).

In the Fourth and Ninth Circuits, judges brushed over the obvious improvements and again relied on Trump’s own comments and tweets. It seemed like sensational tweets were more important than long-standing precedent or official statements from the administration.

The level of reliance on campaign statements by the courts was wrong in my view, as I have repeatedly stated. The record had conflicting statements from Trump and his associates but courts seemed to cherry-pick statements, relying on those that fulfilled their narrative while ignoring those that did not. The analysis of the order should have turned largely on the face of the document. While such political statements can be relevant to analysis (particularly in areas like racial discrimination), the court has always minimized such reliance in favor of more objective textual analysis.

A long line of cases following the decision in Kleindienst v. Mandel followed this approach. In that case, the court rejected such inquiries over the denial of a visa to a Belgian Marxist journalist. It stated that “when the Executive exercises [its] power negatively on the basis of a facially legitimate and bona fide reason, the courts will neither look behind the exercise of that discretion, nor test it by balancing its justification against the First Amendment interests of those who seek personal communication with the applicant.”

The Supreme Court’s decision is consistent with this long-standing precedent. In fairness to the courts and some commentators, there are good-faith reasons to argue against the travel order. Indeed, I predicted at the outset that there would be conflicting decisions in the courts. However, it was the tenor and basis for the decisions that I found disturbing. Courts that once gave President Obama sweeping discretion in the immigration field seemed categorically opposed to considering the same accommodation for President Trump. For commentators, viewers were given a highly distorted view of the existing law — brushing aside decades of cases while supporting the notion that a major federal policy could live or die by the tweet.

The Supreme Court’s stay should cause an examination of more than the lower court decisions. It should concentrate minds in both the courts and the media on the loss of objectivity in analysis over the “immigration ban.” There seemed an inability to separate the policy from the personality in this controversy. That is a serious problem for both institutions. Injunctions come and go. Yet, integrity and objectivity are things that, once lost, are hard to regain.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest at George Washington University.

To those lacking knowledge, the US Code provides...
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Thank you so much. What a powerful post of truth.

And no matter what, you can see how insane the left is at this time around the US and World!

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Jun 27, 2017 22:12:22   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
slatten49 wrote:
You are completely out-of-line, EZ. I know the woman from personal acquaintance and she is none of what you write, but a lady of the highest order. The fact that she may disagree with your own perspective does not make her an evil or vile person. And, you are the last one to be speaking of another having a fugue-hateful altered state of consciousness. Your behavior through language here is despicable. I hope it is not your normal.

BTW, AuntiE and I often disagree, but I have never found her disagreeable.
You are completely out-of-line, EZ. I know the wo... (show quote)


My thanks and gratitude for your defense of myself. It is my great honor to have you as a friend.

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