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He who is slow to anger is better than the mighty, And he who rules his spirit, than he who captures a city.
Jun 18, 2017 06:11:17   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
This is from the book of Proverbs 16:32.

Whenever I am troubled by things I go and read the book of Proverbs and normally I find my answers. Lately, I have been thinking about my temper, I seem to be annoyed more easily than in the past. Even today, I told another poster that my identification was "none of his damn business." For me, those were harsh words. So, what do we know about anger? Is it permissible to grow impatient or to anger with others?

My Papa, a most wonderful and loving parent that G*d has ever given life, but I may be biased, once told me.... temper is not something you lose, it is something that you decide to throw away.

I have faced angry people and they use one or more of the following excuses:

They can’t help it.
The only way to express anger is to explode.
It’s more important to win than to be right.
“Respect” means that people do things their way.
The way to make things right is to fight.
Other people should understand that they did not mean what they did or said when they were angry.

I am sure there are a host of other "reasons" for anger, but those are the ones I recall.

So, what say you? Does G*d give us permission to be angry with others? How do you handle your anger?

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Jun 18, 2017 06:24:21   #
Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD
 
Bible says somewhere "Be angry and sin not." A lot depends on the cause of the anger and how the anger is used. Anger is an adrenaline fueled reaction to a situation. Anger over someone taking "your" parking space if limited to a "gosh, golldarn" is probably OK; ramming the offending vehicle is not. Anger that fuels action to stop child trafficking is probably OK; allowing child trafficking to continue with NO reaction, NOT OK.

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Jun 18, 2017 09:00:56   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Pennylynn wrote:
This is from the book of Proverbs 16:32.

Whenever I am troubled by things I go and read the book of Proverbs and normally I find my answers. Lately, I have been thinking about my temper, I seem to be annoyed more easily than in the past. Even today, I told another poster that my identification was "none of his damn business." For me, those were harsh words. So, what do we know about anger? Is it permissible to grow impatient or to anger with others?

My Papa, a most wonderful and loving parent that G*d has ever given life, but I may be biased, once told me.... temper is not something you lose, it is something that you decide to throw away.

I have faced angry people and they use one or more of the following excuses:

They can’t help it.
The only way to express anger is to explode.
It’s more important to win than to be right.
“Respect” means that people do things their way.
The way to make things right is to fight.
Other people should understand that they did not mean what they did or said when they were angry.

I am sure there are a host of other "reasons" for anger, but those are the ones I recall.

So, what say you? Does G*d give us permission to be angry with others? How do you handle your anger?
This is from the book of Proverbs 16:32. br br ... (show quote)



Your father was a wise man. I have heard all of these excuses at one time or another and being the poor Christian that I am, I never forget. Those who have allowed their passions to be so uncontrolled toward me, have not gotten forgiveness, they instead have created a permanent enemy. Thereafter, there is never a time when those intemperate dolts ever get the benefit of doubt or a pass on any transgression. They are met with equal or greater aggression and I am never apologetic because I know and intend exactly what I am doing.

Life is no contest as to who is holier or more tolerant; there are abusers and the abused. The only way to keep from becoming the latter is too respond in kind and make the cost of lack of self control prohibitively expensive. I remember the exchange with the loon who demanded your identity; you gave him the only response a rational being could give. He aroused anger in me, and if he were near he would have suffered for it.

There is a difference in angers, righteous anger against government swindles, corrupt politicians, and criminal behavior in general is different than anger against malicious personal attacks, whether physical or verbal. While might makes right, was the norm for most of our history, the advent of modern weaponry eliminates that concept on a personal level. We still seem to be in that mode in our Federal government and this is the over-riding concern of our times. How to control political abusers of our people as well as the people of other nations?

Just as we cannot allow limp excuses such as those above to lull us into complacency we need to become proactive in rooting the abusers out of our government. Similarly the trolls we encounter, on this forum, are not worthy of civil discourse. We have a good number of Jew haters and Catholic haters on this forum; they are generally characterized as being among the more stupid of the posters here. None-the-less, I do not let a slur against my religion pass unchallenged, no matter how holy the post purports to be. Stupidity and hatred loves to cloak itself in Bible verses.

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Jun 18, 2017 09:13:39   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Pennylynn wrote:
This is from the book of Proverbs 16:32.

Whenever I am troubled by things I go and read the book of Proverbs and normally I find my answers. Lately, I have been thinking about my temper, I seem to be annoyed more easily than in the past. Even today, I told another poster that my identification was "none of his damn business." For me, those were harsh words. So, what do we know about anger? Is it permissible to grow impatient or to anger with others?

My Papa, a most wonderful and loving parent that G*d has ever given life, but I may be biased, once told me.... temper is not something you lose, it is something that you decide to throw away.

I have faced angry people and they use one or more of the following excuses:

They can’t help it.
The only way to express anger is to explode.
It’s more important to win than to be right.
“Respect” means that people do things their way.
The way to make things right is to fight.
Other people should understand that they did not mean what they did or said when they were angry.

I am sure there are a host of other "reasons" for anger, but those are the ones I recall.

So, what say you? Does G*d give us permission to be angry with others? How do you handle your anger?
This is from the book of Proverbs 16:32. br br ... (show quote)




Yes, God expects us to be angry when evil seems to be winning. He does not give us permission to harm another, either physically or emotionally, to express our anger. We tell the boys we are working with to hit the punching bag and scream at the world then calm down and hug a dog and cry into his fur. Honestly, I do the same thing and the dogs get a lot of hugs. Then, since we like to cook, I go make something special for dinner and invite a neighbor to join us. It works every time!!

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Jun 18, 2017 09:26:55   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Thank you for both the words of comfort and the well deserved complement to my Papa.

Payne1000 has been demanding my "real name" and location for months. As you know, I am Jewish and he hates Jews, pure and simple.
G*d protects all, but I think He might not rush to the aide of the deliberately foolish. That, however, does not excuse my over reaction,
I could have and should have handled that differently. If Payne1000 is a test sent by our Father, I am failing.

Now that I have cried on your shoulder (need a clean shirt? ), I will return to the real purpose of this thread and your most excellent response. Yes, each American needs to be more proactive in fighting fraud and abuse in the government. I believe that this is in keeping with our religions as well as our personal obligations.

BTW... on another note. I just heard that we did indeed lose all seven of the missing sailors. My prayers are with their families.



pafret wrote:
Your father was a wise man. I have heard all of these excuses at one time or another and being the poor Christian that I am, I never forget. Those who have allowed their passions to be so uncontrolled toward me, have not gotten forgiveness, they instead have created a permanent enemy. Thereafter, there is never a time when those intemperate dolts ever get the benefit of doubt or a pass on any transgression. They are met with equal or greater aggression and I am never apologetic because I know and intend exactly what I am doing.

Lifer is no contest as to who is holier or more tolerant; there are abusers and the abused. The only way to keep from becoming the latter is too respond in kind and make the cost of lack of self control prohibitively expensive. I remember the exchange with the loon who demanded your identity; you gave him the only response a rational being could give. He aroused anger in me, and if he were near he would have suffered for it.

There is a difference in angers, righteous anger against government swindles, corrupt politicians, and criminal behavior in general is different than anger against malicious personal attacks, whether physical or verbal. While might makes right, was the norm for most of our history, the advent of modern weaponry eliminates that concept on a personal level. We still seem to be in that mode in our Federal government and this is the over-riding concern of our times. How to control political abusers of our people as well as the people of other nations?

Just as we cannot allow limp excuses such as those above to lull us into complacency we need to become proactive in rooting the abusers out of our government. Similarly the trolls we encounter, on this forum, are not worthy of civil discourse. We have a good number of Jew haters and Catholic haters on this forum; they are generally characterized as being among the more stupid of the posters here. None-the-less, I do not let a slur against my religion pass unchallenged, no matter how holy the post purports to be. Stupidity and hatred loves to cloak itself in Bible verses.
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Jun 18, 2017 09:28:25   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Thank you so much for your response. I take great comfort in your comment. I could not agree more with your position!

Quakerwidow wrote:
Bible says somewhere "Be angry and sin not." A lot depends on the cause of the anger and how the anger is used. Anger is an adrenaline fueled reaction to a situation. Anger over someone taking "your" parking space if limited to a "gosh, golldarn" is probably OK; ramming the offending vehicle is not. Anger that fuels action to stop child trafficking is probably OK; allowing child trafficking to continue with NO reaction, NOT OK.

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Jun 18, 2017 09:33:41   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
NPP, I could not even imagine physically harming anyone.... but, that is me. I also try to avoid hurting feelings, but I fail miserably at times.
I have a few puppies I could go and cry into their fuzzy little heads, but funny thing... when I see them with all their affection and happy faces...
all my troubles just go away! I do appreciate the tip... the next time I think of being unkind, I will certainly take a time out to "check" (an excuse)
the kennels to ensure everyone has fresh water. Then I will come back and not respond to anger. Thank you for your continued wisdom and patience!

no propaganda please wrote:
Yes, God expects us to be angry when evil seems to be winning. He does not give us permission to harm another, either physically or emotionally, to express our anger. We tell the boys we are working with to hit the punching bag and scream at the world then calm down and hug a dog and cry into his fur. Honestly, I do the same thing and the dogs get a lot of hugs. Then, since we like to cook, I go make something special for dinner and invite a neighbor to join us. It works every time!!

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