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Nice Try,

Sell that to the 20,000 Muslim Scumbags at Angel Stadium today for the end of Ramadan... lets see how they digest your logic...

Please man, wake the phuck up !

This topic is about Traitors Cowarsds and Patriots...
Muslim are Traitors to our Ethos and Cowards for their Civilization Jihad and Hijrah.
What are you ?

Morgan

Yes I agree with you whole heartily, Trump and how he gathers his followers is a deep concern. This maybe why they accuse our schools being corrupt by being taught by liberals and brainwashing the kids, this line of thinking due to the fact it goes against these set in prejudices and just what you're saying.

When in fact the best thing we can do is teach children early on, as early as kindergarten and even preschool, to teach the children of the different parts of the world along with the people and their cultures. We did this in an elementary school that a woman had founded and I had the opportunity helped her create. We had the children travel around the world in their lessons and incorporated the places in all they did for that time. We really emerged them in that particular culture in every way we could, and in the finale we celebrated that last day where they dressed in their costumes(clothes)ate their foods, listen and danced to their music, they embraced it with such complete joy and enthusiasm...and I always thought... this is a good
beginning... this will help fight the prejudices they will face.

I also agree with your statement of people who stay within their own bubble and never have the opportunity to experience other ways of life and when it comes down to it, we all really want the same basic things, and this of course includes people not only in our country but around the world. And in speaking of bubbles there are a lot of children brought up in a military culture, another concern of mine.

straightUp Loc: California

I never said ALL of CA's taxes go to the U.S. Military. Go back and look. I never said that.
I said CA pays for 12% of the Military...
You think that amounts to ALL the money California gives the Federal Government? Pa-leeeese.

But I never let a good strawman go to waste. So, I'm going to answer your question anyway.
No, I won't be shocked.
I read the budgets when they come out. The Republicans haven't figured out how to hide the books yet, so it's still public information.
The 2016 budget allocated $1.1 trillion to healthcare. It's the largest single category in the budget. And ya know what? I can see why. The American population of 350 million people is aging, so demand is up. The system we have to help them is profit driven and fragmented into a multitude of separate profit chains, from hospitals to labs, to transport, to outsourced food services... all separate bills... all separate corporations. Profit-driven pharmaceuticals are literally holding the keys to people's very lives for ransom. It's multiplexed capitalism, providing millionaires like Trump the most expensive and the best healthcare in the world and for me and YOU, the most expensive but shittiest healthcare in the developed world... IF you can afford it... otherwise, you get DICK. For every bill there is a cut, for every cut, there's price increase.

That's why it costs the government 1.1 trillion dollars to take care of the elderly, the sick and the injured in a population of 350 million. No... I am not shocked... not in the slightest.

But let's not disappoint the readers... While I'm burning this strawman, let me ask you something about the money the federal government spends on the military. How much do you think the federal government spends on that?

Let's take the 2016 budget again... (apples to apples, right?). $616 billion allocated to "national defense". That's roughly 56% of what we spend on "defense". So, I got this right? We spend almost twice as much on healthcare than we do on the military right? Well, I'm hoping you're a man who can see beyond the obvious because there's more to cover...

The military takes a bite of of more budget allocations than "national defense". $98,742 is allocated to transport. That means "federal transport", of which a good percentage is military. $30 billion goes to the Department of Energy. Guess what they do? They handle our nuclear arsenal under military command, so there's another percentage there...

OK, but percentages of smaller allocations don't add up to 42% of what we spend on healthcare, right? I'm feeling generous today, so I won't even add that in... Forget I even mentioned the nuclear arsenal and military transportation. Let's just go to the allocations for covering what the military incurs. That's right, the wheel doesn't stop at cost of operations... it keeps spinning into the incurred costs, like veteran benefits. You can't just dump American servicemen in the street when "operations" is done with them. They put their lives on the line for the country, the country should provide them with something in return. So... 2016 budget... $180 billion. As far as I am concerned not a penny too much. But now we're looking at $796 billion in military expense... And there's more... Have a look at the 2016 budget allocation for "net interest" ... $283 billion. Guess where that comes from? That's just the interest on money the government borrowed which isn't even in the federal budget. $283 billion in interest payments..!
Why?
Because of military operations that the American people can't even afford. That $796 billion in budget allocations is just for the same operations that you would normally see in peacetime. Wars are on a whole different scale. Iraq and Afghanistan were NOT funded by the budget. We couldn't afford it, so of course it wasn't in the budget... Welcome to "offline spending" where the WhiteHouse has the power to borrow money from the Federal Reserve without Congressional consent.

According to Reuters "The U.S. war in Iraq has cost $1.7 trillion with an additional $490 billion in benefits owed to war veterans, expenses that could grow to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades counting interest". That's just Iraq. And here's an important thing to notice... Unlike the money spent on healthcare, most of the military spending (at least since 2001) is NOT covered by the budget and is instead, borrowed from the Federal Reserve, using mortgage securities as collateral... which means, unlike the money spent on social programs, the money spent on military is not really getting paid off... we're just paying interest forever on the amount we can't afford to pay down.

That's called debt servitude and it's big business in America.


A person with some mental capacity would understand the annotation system Wikipedia uses to link sources and find among them an abundance of data from the government. In case you're not getting this... I am not suggesting that you trust Wiki because someone says they have links to government sources; I am suggesting that you use the system to trace the source for each piece of data you question.


Well, I'm sure that's how it looks to you.

straightUp Loc: California

I guess it's natural to be scared of something you don't understand.


The only people being taxed without representation are legal immigrants.


It's a difference of interpretations when you take sides with anybody.
...and I am an ANTI-Federalist... YOU are the Federalist... by virtue of the fact that your support for nationalism applies to a federal system.


Hmm, well you can be more than one thing at a time and I'm telling you... you are among other things, a Federalist... Nevertheless, what exactly is sovereign citizenship? I'm not sure I understand what that means.


Impressing people isn't what it used to be eh. lol...


Well, keep in mind that technically, all information is real and to expose the "perpetrators" means you have to actually prove something. Just repeating misinformation isn't really doing what you're suggesting. I will say that, you make some valid points but I think you might be getting caught up in the rage, which is sort of asking to be mislead.


No my friend... OPP *is* anonymous... Being anonymous doesn't mean being invisible, it means remaining unidentified. I'm getting the feeling that you really aren't over the need to impress people, but let's just say for arguments sake that you're tapping at the site... What you would be reading is what I had already stated... The opinions and discussions of people using anonymous avatars, identified by numbers. You could maybe break into the database and cross reference the e-mails that members use to register, but there's no reason why that can't be an anonymous e-mail address. (I have a number of them). So now what? Drop down to the server level and look at the logs? Traceroute the IP? What if that trace stops at an encrypted VPN tunnel like it would if you were tracing me? You'd be blocked.

I'm not saying the tech isn't available to trace an encrypted link, but there's nothing on OPP that would be worth the time. At least nothing *I* am saying...


Yeah, that's a... broad generalization there... kinda isn't making sense, to be honest.


You DO realize that the word "legal" actually refers to "law", right?
I assume you are referring to God's law, as in religion and natural law, as in physics. But what exactly do you thing sovereign law is? Did the Nationalists actually tell you that the United States of America is NOT a sovereign nation and it's something we need to attain? Dude... the United States of America *IS* a sovereign nation and it's sovereign laws ARE encoded in a legal system.


The FED? Are you referring to the federal government or the Federal Reserve, which is often called "the FED"?


Oh, don't worry about me. ;)


Can't win 'em all. ;)

straightUp Loc: California

I went to grade school in the late 60's... I can remember, there was a week every year where each class did a thing on some foreign culture. Yeah, I think you're right it's a better idea to teach children multi-culture co-existence than fear and loathing.


Yes,we DO all want the same things. We all want security, happiness and freedom. It's a shame people are so quick to loose site of that.

Thanks for your posts Morgan...

straightUp Loc: California

This is in response to my suggestion that people pick sides before they learn about politics? I wasn't even talking about Muslims but I would expect many of them at Angel Stadium would agree. And it's not logic, it's a educated guess. So what happened? How did you get Muslims into this? Is your hatred toward Muslims so out of control that you just spontaneously scream about them out of the blue?


1. Muslims are people, some of them are bad, most of them are good. Just like with Christians.

2. A traitor is someone who knowingly turns on his own side. So maybe you can explain how non-Americans can be traitors to the American ethos, which makes as much sense as calling YOU a traitor to Islam.

3. What little "ethos", we Americans may have had has long since been destroyed by our own mindless consumerism. America is home to the first nation to completely sell itself out, putting a value on human life equal to what a person can spend on the market. Muslims have nothing to do with this. If anything, they are apt to resist the spreading of cheap, commoditized American "culture" into their region of the world, with a relative few willing to resort to violence.

4. I wouldn't call them all cowards either... Do you even know what these words actually mean? You can't just grab a large group of people like 1.6 billion Muslims and call them all cowards because for any group of people that size, there will be lots who are and lots who aren't. Think about it... do you have the balls to blow yourself up for your cause? I'm guessing you don't.

5. Patriots are basically suckers for symbolism... Easily manipulated into battle with simple rhetoric and symbols. Muslim terrorists are perfect examples of patriots, manipulated into acts of violence by hyperbolic rants about saving their world from Western intrusion. It's the same thing here... Patriots are those tens of thousands of people swearing loyalty to a federal system that forces the people of 50 different states along with themselves into submission and debt.

6. I'm not a coward... I have the courage to speak my mind and fight for what I believe and I have done so, even in the face of danger.

7. I am not a traitor because I have never turned on anyone.

8. And... I am VERY proud to say that that I am NOT a patriot, because I fight for my family and for humanity, not for the Stars and Stripes that represent the oppressors of both.

So I appreciate your ability to recognize some of the points I've mentioned over the last few days, which is a LOT more than I can say for many that I converse with here, and I actually do understand some of the points you have made too. But I think you're right... ultimately there is no agreement between us as long as you continue to follow the predatory lure of symbolism and nationalism to the point of bigotry.

Morgan

All very excellent points, you are a person of a high moral and ethical code, which I feel confident will not be understood much here for the very reasons you've stated. You are a citizen of the world as Einstein liked to consider himself. If people take the time to understand what you are truly saying they could understand the depth you're coming from, it is a state higher consciousness. Just as it is when consider the earth over economic development and not a diabolical conspiracy. And thank you also for your comment and it is mutual, I always appreciate your thoughtful and credible responses, while being able to side step the antagonizing rhetoric.

straightUp Loc: California

Thank you for the kind words Morgan and you're right, I do consider myself a citizen of the world and I forgot Einstein did too. I noticed some of your posts in the thread about degrees in social justice. Are you a teacher? If so, I hope you hang in there since the struggle to teach critical thinking is under full-scale scale attack from the right. Apparently, the idea is to keep young Americans limited to just enough education to operate machines for their masters but not so much that they can actually recognize they HAVE masters. I strongly believe that if more Americans were sufficiently educated, Trump would never have been elected.

Morgan

I believe you're right, I know educators tend to vote democratic, and the military to the right. Unfortunately as people earn less and jobs more difficult to come by, young people, especially young men go to the military...and so the cycle begins...usually. To look at where we put our priorities, all we have to do is look at our budget. We should be investing in our young people and giving them the tools in every way to be competitive with the rest of the world and instead we are lagging far behind, giving jobs to foreigners, especially in technology and sciences. A pet peeve of mine is how the high schools don't prepare the students for what field they might be interested in going into and than are asked to randomly choose a field. Now today with all the scams, which include regular banking, contracts and their rights,kids need more knowledge underfoot going into the world.

They're trying to privatize schools, can you imagine the amount of kids that would fall through the cracks, instead of being productive citizens... why don't they see the long term affects? Are they, as you say.... only looking for slaves?