permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Just one more bit of BS for trump followers to record and remember..

Just a few months ago, Trump jumped on the opportunity to save the Indianapolis plant and save “over 1,000” jobs. Of course, this wasn’t true because 550 jobs were already going to Mexico. Chuck Jones, president of United Steelworkers Local 1999, the union that represents Carrier’s Indianapolis plant, said that Trump had “lied his ass off”:

“I almost threw up in my mouth. It really pissed me off he misled people their jobs might be saved. He didn’t want to get up and tell people part of the plant is going to stay and part of the plant is going to Mexico.”
Yesterday, we saw even more proof of that with Carrier’s announcement. In an interview with Raw Story, Jones stated that he’s still highly upset at Trump, who he says misled people into thinking he would save jobs in Indianapolis. Jones said:

“I didn’t trust Trump when he was running, playing on working-class hopes. This guy who has businesses in other countries and wraps himself in the American flag.”

“Sad thing is people bought into it then, when he was a candidate. Some working-class people still buy into it. They’re fucking stupid. Trump is the Titanic. The greatest ship ever and it fucking sunk. He said he’s going to save this country and if he keeps going like he has, he’s going to sink the country.”
Robert James, an employee at the Indianapolis plant, called the job losses “devastating.” He said:

“It’s going to be hard for them. You don’t replace jobs paying $25 an hour, like at Carrier and Rexnord. They got warehouse jobs paying ten to twelve dollars an hour. This is going to do damage to families, cause unnecessary stress and strain.”

“I don’t think the president is going to be of any help to the workers. Things he’s proposing like healthcare are going to hurt them and their families. I don’t think Trump cares about workers.”
Then, James gave this brutal criticism of Trump and his daughter, Ivanka, pointing out that they don’t even practice what they preach:

“If he really wanted to help workers, why doesn’t he start with bringing his own jobs back to the United States? His daughter and son-in-law all got jobs overseas where they pay people $60 a week or less. It’s a tragedy where all these companies go overseas and abuse people.”
Once again, Trump has tricked Americans and failed to deliver on one of his promises.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

You should talk to the coal miners of our country.

Randy131 Loc: Florida

All lies because you are either ill-informed, or just want to denigrate President Trump through made-up assertions.

For the record, Carrier had two plants in Indianapolis, one which made heaters and the other which made A/Cs. President Elect Trump (not even our President yet) saved all the jobs, and more jobs in the future, at the plant that made the heaters, over 1,000 jobs, but the plant down in Mexico was already built and people were already being hired to man it. So Carrier closed the A/C plant in Indianapolis, and moved production of their A/Cs to Mexico, where many of them are also sold.

This could have been prevented and the A/C jobs and plant in Indianapolis could have been saved, had Obama, who visited both of the plants in Indianapolis more than 1 1/2 years earlier, had done the same as President Elect Trump had done, and before the Mexican plant was built and started to be manned, but instead told the employees at both plants that he could not save their jobs, and that they should make plans in a year or so to acquire new jobs, or educate themselves in a new field of endeavor for future employment.

The jobs in the future that President Elect Trump also saved were done by an agreement that Carrier would spend 21 million withion 3 years to upgrade and expand the heater plant, or they would not get their tax breaks of approximately 11 million dollars, which would call for adding at least another 500 jobs, for which the laid off A/C plant employees would get first look at.

At the beginning of this month the 'Bureau of Labor Statistics' (BLS) reported that unemployment since President Trump was elected had reached a 15 year low, lower than all of Obama's Presidency, which Obama claims was in an economic rcovery for 7 1/2 years of his 8 year term, and even during most of President Bush IIs 8 year term, the same 'President Trump Effect' that has all the US stock markets at historical highs, and as was the saving of those over 1,000 jobs in Indianapolis at the Carrier heater plant.

Those are the actual facts, not the made up story that you are trying to get people to believe.

But I'd love to hear your made up story why the BLS just reported the unemployment rate in the US is at it's lowest rate in the last 15 years. That should be a good one, since you claim that President Trump is not saving any jobs, or is also not creating any jobs.

But we know how Obama got his unemployment rate down, by dropping over 17 million Americans of working age (16 years to 54 years of age) from the 'US Workforce', because they were out of a job for 52 weeks and longer, and if they're not counted in the 'US Workforce', they can't be counted as unemployed. They were Obama's longterm unemployed, which he didn't add a single one back into the 'US Workforce' over his entire 8 years, and in 7 1/2 of those 8 years, Obama claims we were in an economic recovery.

The BLS has finally been adding Obama's 17 million Americans of working age, that he had dropped from the 'US Workforce', back into the 'US Workforce', only since President Trump's inaugeration, yet adding those unemployed Americans of working age back into the 'US Workforce' has not been causing the unemployment rate to go up, because President Trump has been saving and creating jobs that they are taking, and finally going back to work, despite your lies to the contrary.

Ricko Loc: Florida

Randy-permafrost has become a clone of Raylan and neither has any common sense. You would probably illicit more
cogent responses from a box of rocks. Ignore both!!! America First !!!

robmull Loc: florida

The ole' "Pigeons/'lefty' and chess," Ricko. It is fun to tweak them with the truth occasionally, and expect, at any time, "WE" will get a step-up to the "ignore" list. Then you KNOW how bad the truth actually hurts those little (D)evils!!! Hummmmmmmmmm. What IS that "crushing" sound I keep hearing??? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. {BORN AGAIN} TRUMP (R); JUST LIKE THE WEATHER!!!

Randy131 Loc: Florida

Thanks for the info Ricko, but I love to listen to their silence when I inundate them with facts, that most people also already know. It's very hard to fight the truth, unless you are going up against the ignorant, but they can check those facts, everything I said is very true and verifiable. Especially about Obama previously visiting those plants and their employees, at a time that both plants and their jobs could have been saved, but Obama did nothing, because he was over his head and incapable of forming a plan to save those people's jobs, as Trump did even before becoming President.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Yeah, he promised them their jobs back..............and they're still waiting.

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

The "deal" with Carrier was just smoke. Carrier itself admitted that Trump had not modified their plans one iota, he had simply smudged the numbers, they planned the layoffs anyway. In Carriers words " if letting Trump make such claims gets us browny points, so be it ".

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

Randy,

Good that trump has not yet stopped the 70 consecutive month of job growth in our nation. The good report follows the trend which Obama managed in spite of all the obstruction.

No change in how the work figures are reported. Now trump no longer thinks the a fake, but they have not changed the method.

trump did not add those of 99 (not 52) weeks back to the work force.. nothing was changed.


This is the last news about carrier... http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/trump-doesnt-care-about-workers-carrier-employees-react-to-announcement-that-632-jobs-are-moving-to-mexico/

n a letter released today, the Carrier corporation announced it was firing 632 workers from its factory in Indianapolis and moving those jobs to Monterrey, Mexico, by the end of 2017.

The company, which makes heating and air conditioning units, became the posterchild of offshoring when during the 2016 presidential campaign a video went viral of management announcing to angry workers that the entire plant was being shut down and 1,400 jobs were being eliminated.

Donald Trump leapt on the issue and hammered Hillary Clinton for supporting free-trade deals like NAFTA that by 2004 led to the net loss of 1 million U.S.-based jobs.

Trump vowed to save all the jobs at Carrier, as well as at another Indianapolis factory, Rexnord, that announced last year that it was also moving 300 jobs to Monterrey. Bashing Carrier helped propel Trump to an upset victory.

On December 1, President-elect Trump swept into Indianapolis and triumphantly announced that he struck a deal with Carrier’s parent company, UTC, to save “over 1,100” jobs. Trump claimed too that was the “minimum number” of jobs being saved and the number of workers would “go up very substantially as they expand this area, this plant.”


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Chuck Jones, president of United Steelworkers Local 1999, which represents workers at Carrier’s Indianapolis plant, said when he heard Trump’s announcement, “I almost threw up in my mouth.” Jones and other union officials said Trump knew before he got up on stage that 550 jobs were going to Mexico. “It really pissed me off he misled people their jobs might be saved. He didn’t want to get up and tell people part of the plant is going to stay and part of the plant is going to Mexico.”

Jones sparked a controversy by telling the Washington Post Trump “lied his ass off” about saving 1,100 jobs. The Raw Story visited Indianapolis in January and sat down with Jones and 16 other workers at three Indiana factories where Trump said he would save jobs.

Reached by phone today, after Carrier’s announcement, Jones gives Trump credit for saving 800 Carrier jobs in Indianapolis. Another 269 research and administrative jobs were never leaving, but Trump apparently included them to get the “over 1,100” figure.

Jones says he is “bitter” about 1,600 workers being given the boot from that plant, the Rexnord factory, and a second Carrier facility in Huntington. And his opinion of Trump hasn’t softened. “I didn’t trust Trump when he was running, playing on working-class hopes. This guy who has businesses in other countries and wraps himself in the American flag.”


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Jones is dismayed at how Trump pulled the wool over people’s eyes. “Sad thing is people bought into it then, when he was a candidate. Some working-class people still buy into it. They’re fucking stupid. Trump is the Titanic. The greatest ship ever and it fucking sunk. He said he’s going to save this country and if he keeps going like he has, he’s going to sink the country.”

Robert James, who works at Carrier’s Indianapolis plant and will become USW 1999 president in June, says the job losses are “devastating.” James says the mood among workers today is one of “closure.” But, “It’s going to be hard for them. You don’t replace jobs paying $25 an hour, like at Carrier and Rexnord. They got warehouse jobs paying ten to twelve dollars an hour. This is going to do damage to families, cause unnecessary stress and strain.”

James says, “I don’t think the president is going to be of any help to the workers. Things he’s proposing like healthcare are going to hurt them and their families. I don’t think Trump cares about workers.”

He adds, “If he really wanted to help workers, why doesn’t he start with bringing his own jobs back to the United States? His daughter and son-in-law all got jobs overseas where they pay people $60 a week or less. It’s a tragedy where all these companies go overseas and abuse people.”

Jones said the 632 jobs being cut includes some 80 seasonal workers. But more cuts are in the works he warns. Trump crowed that UTC would invest $16 million in the Carrier plant over the next two years, which would lead to job growth. Except Greg Hayes, the CEO of UTC, directly contradicted that a week later. Hayes told CNBC the investment was “to automate to drive the cost down so that we can continue to be competitive. … what that ultimately means is there will be fewer jobs.”

The state of Indiana promised UTC $7 million in taxpayer money if it keeps the jobs in the state and makes the planned investment. That’s nearly $9,000 per job, but Jones says, “By the time the investment is completed quite a few jobs will be eliminated. There’s no way of knowing if it’s going to be 50 or 100 or 200 jobs that will be gone.”

“The taxpayers got hoaxed out of $7 million to move more than 1,250 Carrier jobs out of this country. The whole thing was a scam.”

Ultimately, Jones says the blame lies with Wall Street. “These greedy sons of bitches don’t care about anyone else if they can make more money. This is going to destroy a lot of people.”

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"I made them this promise," Trump said, "we will put our miners back to work."

But industry experts say coal mining jobs will continue to be lost, not because of blocked access to coal, but because power plant owners are turning to natural gas. At least six plants that relied on coal have closed or announced they will close since Trump's victory in November, including the main plant at the Navajo Generating Station in Arizona, the largest in the West. Another 40 are projected to close during the president's four-year term.
A big chunk of the hiring came from the leisure and hospitality, financial services, health care and professional and business services sectors. Those four added a total of 150,000 jobs in April.
But will health care continue to add jobs if the Senate also votes to repeal Obamacare and Trump signs a new bill into law?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

No they're not. They're being rehired, gearing up to her back to production. Open eyes. Read. Listen.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

nwtk,

Got any backup of that back to work idea??

I have not seen that, even in industry publications..

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

There are a few articles out there I believe. It's not like these things can just instantly get back up and running. It's a complicated process. But I have friends in both N and S Dakota who are involved in the restart of various mines and associated industries. The full impact won't be known for about two years but they say it's gearing up.

Ellie

45 will not last much longer !!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

NWTK,

It is nice to hear that... Hope it brings at least some of the jobs back. With declining market share and automation, it could be a tough road.. But any returning of jobs is a good thing for workers..

We also should have a retraining program for these people. Not simply cast them out the door..

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

There are some retraining programs for some of the more updated plants. But for the most part, things will be essentially the same for most. The basics haven't changed much.