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I have changed my mind on the issue of "Universal Healthcare"
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Jun 26, 2017 17:24:46   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Better Care Reconciliation Act, the Senates new and improved but worse version of the old bad House version the American Health Care Act to replace the obamascam is even more detrimental to the elderly and poor, and the big winners will be the wealthy. It repeals taxes on the wealthy to help pay for expanded health CARE benefits for the elderly and poor and give the rich even more tax breaks by eliminating the HUGE 0.9% extra Medicare payroll tax on wages above $250,000 for married couples and the HUGE 3.8% Medicare tax on certain investment income retroactive to Jan 1 2017. In other words, long term gains on stocks sold in 2017 will only be tax at 20% instead of the wealth robbing 23.8%. This is nothing but a much needed tax cut for high-income wealthy. After all they need a break. It doubles the TAX FREE amount individuals and families can put in health savings accounts to $6,650.00 and $13,300.00. Something the elderly and poor desperately needed. Of course, that would mean that some elderly and poor could then save over half their incomes. What a deal! Even better, it also eliminates the caps on contributions to tax-deductible flexible spending accounts. Right now, employed individuals may each save up to $2,600 a year, so a two-earner couple can put away $5,200. WOW! Now the poor and elderly can also save 3/4 of their incomes. Too good to be true! AND, if the splurge a little too much and have to spend their savings on some other unforeseen expense the penalty will be reduced from 20% down to only 10%.

Oh and lest we forget about the poor health INSURANCE corporations,. It is still centered around purchasing high premium health INSURANCE from private, for profit health INSURANCE corporations and should allow them to steal even more that the $500 BILLION they already ripoff from the health CARE system.

Here are some of it generous provisions:

Its subsidies for low-income Americans hoping to buy in to the insurance pools are somewhat more generous than the House version that based subsidies more on age than income.

It delays the end of Medicaid expansion to 2021, postponing some of the effects of repeal.

Likewise, it also postpones implementation of per capita block grants -- limiting the growth in federal participation in state Medicaid programs to a certain amount per beneficiary.

But when they do kick in, the cap on growth will be tied to general inflation rather than medical inflation, which has been much lower historically. This could cause even greater cuts to Medicaid than AHCA with no provision for funding an aging population, cost increases due to recessions or new diseases such as Zika or the opioid crisis, or the costs of new cures. This change could have a severe detrimental effect on care for seniors.

Unlike AHCA, the Senate proposal does not permit the states to eliminate preexisting condition protections.

On the other hand, it does permit them to change the requirements for health insurance policies, hopefully bringing down the cost, but meaning policies may not cover vital services such as mental health care.

As does AHCA, the Senate bill repeals taxes that were enacted to help fund ACA, including the tax on high-cost health insurance plans. The tax cuts would save wealthier taxpayers almost $600 billion over ten years.

Under the Senate bill, Medicaid would not be required to cover mental health services after 2019.

Talk about making health CARE a PRIVILEGE that only the rich can afford while fucking the elderly and poor. But hey, all they need to do is SAVE most of their income, forget about housing, food, utilities, etc, pay those ridiculously high health INSURANCE premiums and when little Johnny's broken arm wipes out that savings and that health INSURANCE policy pays only part of the rest of the medical bills, hopefully when DAD gets the rest of the bill equal to 3 months pay, HE won't have a heart attack or tough shit!

The war on the elderly and poor has intensified under the republicans which are the right wing and the dems are the left wing of the same DC bird flown by the rich, for the rich, and of the rich.

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Jun 26, 2017 23:15:45   #
Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts
 
buffalo wrote:
No, that is your projection....

By your logic, poor people should just give up those things and then they could afford health INSURANCE...Bullshit! Your implicit assumption is that they’re spending money on the wrong things. . . . Your implicit assumption is that the poor shouldn’t have those things.... After all, a backed up toilet is not a life or death emergency....But if they get sick or hurt and require outrageously overpriced medical care, just take those things away from them in perpetuity because they didn't do the "responsible" thing and buy worthless, over priced health INSURANCE, right?
No, that is your projection.... br br By your log... (show quote)

So, we should end all personal responsibility for those at, or near poverty level? Damn, wish they would've done that when I fit the category. Nobody said anything about taking things from anyone, you're using a lot of hyperbole.

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How about repealing EMTALA and just letting them die in the ER parking lot then YOU wouldn't have to be out 1 goddamn cent on their health CARE?

I already conceded EMTALA to you, under a condition.

This all my fault. I thought we could have an adult discussion, I first thought you were being deliberately obtuse, and that would've been fine because I've played that role myself in discussions, but it's plain to see I was wrong. Thank you for indulging me with my little game, I appreciate it, but I don't think we're accomplishing anything, so we should stop wasting each other's time.

Hope your dad keeps improving, keep taking good care of him, and I think I can speak for most people following this thread; you're both in our prayers. Be well, Buffalo.

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Jun 27, 2017 08:30:24   #
Bevos
 
buffalo wrote:
I have heard all his bullshit about the wall, I just wanted to hear your interpreted version since you interjected. Like how solar panels on a vertical wall would work, if at all unless they are angled and that still doesn't explain how Trump is going to extort any money from Mexico. Legals and illegals alike would instantly stop sending money back to Mexico by money grams.

Here's another perspective on the ridiculousness of it:

http://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-06-23/trump-border-wall-solar-panels-won-t-pay-for-it

I voted for Trump because the alternative was a bad joke. But, as it is, Trump is turning out to be just another joke.
I have heard all his bullshit about the wall, I ju... (show quote)


Evidently you haven't heard MUCH, because he has EXPLAINED a few times, PUBLICLY exactly HOW Mexico is going to pay for the wall!!
But you can get ALL of that info, if you just go to his website. Unless you really don't want to know!!!

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Jun 27, 2017 08:49:18   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Bevos wrote:
Evidently you haven't heard MUCH, because he has EXPLAINED a few times, PUBLICLY exactly HOW Mexico is going to pasy for the wall!!




Hahahaha LOL, Mexico ain't gonna pay for shit.

Here is exactly what Trump told Sean Hannity:

"Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore."

How is he going to distinguish between illegal and legal "remittance payments"? In an instant they will all go underground. If the millions of Mexican citizens that come across the US border daily, just to shop, are prevented from doing so, then the economies of EVERY US town along the US/Mexico border will be devastated.

What's more, the very second he steps on the toes of giant multi-national corporations with direct ties to Mexico, he WILL back down.

The solar panel wall is just silly fantasy bullshit.

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Jun 27, 2017 08:50:29   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
Bevos wrote:
Evidently you haven't heard MUCH, because he has EXPLAINED a few times, PUBLICLY exactly HOW Mexico is going to pay for the wall!!
But you can get ALL of that info, if you just go to his website. Unless you really don't want to know!!!


Bevos wrote:
Evidently you haven't heard MUCH, because he has EXPLAINED a few times, PUBLICLY exactly HOW Mexico is going to pasy for the wall!!


Hahahaha LOL, Mexico ain't gonna pay for shit.

Here is exactly what Trump told Sean Hannity:

"Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore."

How is he going to distinguish between illegal and legal "remittance payments"? In an instant they will all go underground. If the millions of Mexican citizens that come across the US border daily, just to shop, are prevented from doing so, then the economies of EVERY US town along the US/Mexico border will be devastated.

What's more, the very second he steps on the toes of giant multi-national corporations with direct ties to Mexico, he WILL back down.

The solar panel wall is just silly fantasy bullshit.

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