lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Those things you speak of are still in place with the States now more responsible to ensure conformity to.. Yes, deregulation is also on the table and there will be some viewed as harmful... Money and politics is what makes it all go round and round.. Not voting citizens until it becomes at issue..EPA is a government sponsored program it is not independent of...So will the rulings they make, government first, citizens next to last...

Heck those things in place on this case stay in place..The ban you speak of was for homeowners in household settings and is still that way..Then they added some fruits ..Nothing had changed.. This issue was regarding a permenant ban that went to the Industrial level business and farms etc..Agreed??
The sign off was done pursuant to the order.. The EPA isn't going to admit fault..
In doing so what did it change other than giving them what the were arguing for, that 2022 date to have to reevaluate the product..

Here look at the facts: the chemical was banned on home use, it still is.. That was not part of the issues..Right??
Later certain fruits we banned from being sprayed.. That still remains, right??
The chemical has been used right along in industrial use with certain exceptions not allowed on some agricultural level, that still applies now too, right???. Again not part of this case ..

The EPA argued they needed until 2022 the next review cycle (done every 15 years) to determine if the product was dangerous, right?! Now they have it, with no court hanging over their head..

So what changed??
Answer: BOs directive to remove it in farming on a directive because he felt it dangerous.. Yet, he, and the EPA convoluted the court with incomplete studies.. Everyone else a part of the case gave their scientific data and EPA failed to sufficiently rebutt beyond a reasonable doubt..

The product banned for home use remains and the product used in commercial farming with its limitations on some fruits etc still remains...

If your going to say had it remained as Bo wanted there would be no use of the chemical at all, then you believe in a dictator rather than support of evidence to justify??

As for Trumps watch, things that occur during his watch I agree.. This however was done during BOs watch with BO cabinet member so I'll assume you feel the very same about this case too..

"An E.P.A. scientific review panel made up of academic experts last July also had raised questions about some of the conclusions the chemical safety staff had reached. That led the staff to revise the way it had justified its findings of harm, although the agency employees as of late last year still concluded that the chemical should be banned.

Mr. Pruitt, in an announcement issued Wednesday night, said the agency needed to study the science more.

“We need to provide regulatory certainty to the thousands of American farms that rely on chlorpyrifos, while still protecting human health and the environment,” Mr. Pruitt said in his statement. “By reversing the previous administration’s steps to ban one of the most widely used pesticides in the world, we are returning to using sound science in decision-making — rather than predetermined results.”

The United States Department of Agriculture, which works close with the nation’s farmers, supported Mr. Pruitt’s action.

“It means that this important pest management tool will remain available to growers, helping to ensure an abundant and affordable food supply for this nation,” Sheryl Kunickis, director of the U.S.D.A. Office of Pest Management Policy, said in a statement Wednesday.

Dow Agrosciences, the division that sells the product, also praised the ruling, calling it in a statement “the right decision for farmers who, in about 100 countries, rely on the effectiveness of chlorpyrifos to protect more than 50 crops.”

And now they are going to go into court and ask the same 9th Circuit Court of Appeals to strike Pruitt sign off in protecting the citizens..

How do you think that will come out?? It is after all the 9th Circuit..

archie bunker Loc: Texas

None of this matters Linda. The key phrase in Morgan's post was about reversing a recommendation from Obama. Go back and read it.
We all know how much the God like, omnipotent BHO is revered in the scientific community for his expertise in the field of agricultural pesticides.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I know, but it is a good learning tool to see what really happens versus speculation of~~ obstinent refusal to acknowledge anything is such the norm...
I don't know why we like debating so much, neither side changes their mind, we just learn more from it I guess...

Headed to Colorado Springs ~~ It is absolutely beautiful out..Sun shining and 58* going to 70*..lolol I'll believe it when I feel it....

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Already about 70, or more here, not a cloud in the sky. Since 95% of outside construction stuff is done on the house, I'm going to spray some awful chemicals on some weeds, and spray enough pesticide to kill the bugs at your house from here! LOL!! Also placing mouse/rat poison in the outbuildings.
Have a wonderful day in the Rockies!! I wish I could be there, but I have a planet to kill. The work never ends!

Morgan

See that I don't even have to shoot you, your doing it all on your own...happy spraying

Morgan

I could take the time and pick apart your slant... to what point, go be happy... and live in your bubble

archie bunker Loc: Texas

Awwww Morgan! Don't you worry your little head none about it! I've been neglectful for a few years, and need to regain control. I need one big knockdown, and next week I'll be ordering beneficial bugs to release. Bug warfare is better than man/chemical warfare any day. As I stated, I've been neglectful the past few years.
I also realize that every creature serves some purpose on this earth, I don't want to coexist with scorpions, centipedes, black widows, fiddle backs, or rattle snakes. A shotgun is my only solution for the snake issue right now, but I'm working on it.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Egadddssss, not a bug anywhere!! That's some wicked stuff you got there, mister..

So tell me is weed be gone potent enough?? I mean I read where it's eco friendly and will not harm grass.. I don't think they spray the grass up here, they're not into all those chemicals and stuff.. Allll naturallllll all the way.....

vernon

Organic, for your information there is no difference between manufactured fertilizer and caw manure except one comes out of a cows behind .and just where are you going to get organic meat and just what is organic meat.
as i have said before there is no nerve agent in the product it has been detoxified and there is no nerve gas in the stuff. this is just ignorant people trying to cause confusion.We have been using the stuff since 1980s and no one has been killed by nerve agent.

vernon

You guys got ddt off the market using the peregrine Falcon.Now in the mean time thousands if not millions have died from Malaria,West Nile fever ,and dozens of other diseases.So just another decision that sounds great until you check the consequences.