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May 9, 2017 07:29:34   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
Meals On Wheels gets 3% of its funding from federal grants.

Three whole percent? Be still my beating heart.

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May 9, 2017 07:44:39   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Ronald Charles Vrooman Private Attorney Generals by the United States Congress 42 U.S.C.1988 and18 U.S.C.1510 and 18 U.S.C. 1512 and to be known as “One of the People” also “Qualified Criminal Investigator” and “Federal Witness” and by unrebutted affidavit. Status identified and unrebutted. Others to be named and added later.

I have set a goal! The return of our founding documents to total functionality for all; to ensure that all of we the people, Oregonians, including, US citizens, State Nationals, free inhabitants, foreign agents, aliens and excluding no one on the land within the Several States of America. The 4 Organic laws to be the 1st law of the land, plus the Oregon Constitution Original and to not enforce code upon those not within the codes sphere of jurisdiction.

Are you ready to take action and really comprehend the issues?

Dr.Dross wrote:
I was raised not just a Democrat but as a naturally rebellious Irishman: authority was always to be questioned and usually resisted. Republicans were the establishment, the lowest and most callous people on earth. Yet I have to admit I was not quite clear why. Pro-union was enough in my family to vote Blue all the way. It was entrenched in my thinking from a young age that Republicans were the dupes of the rich.

When I came back from oversea's service in 1968, I was more tempered in attitude and thinking but still not really knowledgeable about the differences in parties. It did not concern me that much; I thought both sides were a little over the top, though tended to distrust the establishment (i.e., Republicans) more. In Manhattan simply on a job search, I came upon an antiwar march. I had just finished lunch and was looking for a trash bin to toss my empty bottle of soda. Then I heard a police officer yell, "Drop it!" When I quickly scanned the surrounding ground, I realized he was talking to me: he had his hand on his gun and was staring right at me. What? Then I realized his concern was the empty soda bottle. "Drop it!" he shouted. I probably should not have laughed. He was quickly joined by two other officers who seemed eager to slay their first commie. "Putting it down, putting it down," I said with one hand raised.

That was the end of the confrontation, but as I walked away a guy came up to me with a big smile, put out his hand, and said, "Welcome to the home of the free." I smiled. He introduced himself and said he was with the Quaker Marshall Program to maintain non-violence at demonstrations. Somehow he sensed that I was a recently returned Vet. I took their training and since that day until a few years ago, I was pretty much neutral about the American political landscape. Both parties, to me, did not represent the best interest of its citizenry. The emergence of the Tea Party and shameless racial attacks on the president changed that. Republicans were after divisiveness: that was abundantly clear. Fear and hate were their constant message. As Conservative media grew, so did the gulf between the parties and the American people. What to do?

I never knew politics and politicians were so corrupt, so openly corrupt. They blatantly lie everyday and their policies routinely hurt the middle class, poor, elderly, and young. This is done mostly by the Right that find fiscal concerns more important than people. Fiscal concerns are important, of course, but not above human life and dignity. It appears this is of little or no thought to them. End Meals On Wheels, after-school food programs, both of which the GOP lied and said their were no stats either helped, and you have a convert opposed to the heart against the lying, deceiving, conniving GOP.
I was raised not just a Democrat but as a naturall... (show quote)

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May 9, 2017 08:30:21   #
kenvrla Loc: East Tx Piney Woods
 
pafret wrote:
What country was this where Republicans were chief proponents of divisiveness? The former Presidential pretender never said or did anything to separate or divide the counrtry by race, class or religion did he? Conservative Media grew, where? Fox news, which has been imploding on its way left or the myriad radio talking heads constitutes growth of Conservative media?. All Six major news chains are lock step Socialist at best and Communist in reality, purveyors of lies. Soetimes the comments you write make me wonder how you get such distorted interpretations.
What country was this where Republicans were chief... (show quote)
Agree with you on this, pafret...short and to the point. Thanks.

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May 9, 2017 09:29:44   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Ronald Charles Vrooman Private Attorney Generals by the United States Congress 42 U.S.C.1988 and18 U.S.C.1510 and 18 U.S.C. 1512 and to be known as “One of the People” also “Qualified Criminal Investigator” and “Federal Witness” and by unrebutted affidavit. Status identified and unrebutted. Others to be named and added later.

I have set a goal! The return of our founding documents to total functionality for all; to ensure that all of we the people, Oregonians, including, US citizens, State Nationals, free inhabitants, foreign agents, aliens and excluding no one on the land within the Several States of America. The 4 Organic laws to be the 1st law of the land, plus the Oregon Constitution Original and to not enforce code upon those not within the codes sphere of jurisdiction.

Are you ready to take action and really comprehend the issues?
Ronald Charles Vrooman Private Attorney Generals b... (show quote)


I don't even comprehend your statements and I am certainly not going to take action when you haven't indicated what you are talking about. My days of ready, fire, aim are over.

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May 9, 2017 09:41:41   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Let's see where this is: do you comprehend the founding documents? when is the last time you read the D of I; Articles of Confederation, Constitution of the united States of America and the NW Ordnance and the treaties connected with the War of 1812? That is crucial to comprehending all the areas where the United States Inc and its affiliates have defrauded you.
Then taking lawful action. I chose PAG as the corporate governance would not prosecute their own. Prosecutorial Discretion, stops we the people from obtaining remedy from the corporate governance.

So now how's your comprehension? Do you know about Lincoln and sine die? what about FDR and his fraud. People run for public office such as sheriff. Get elected and leave the office vacant and take a seat in the de facto corporate governance and enforce the code. Read what the job function is and then compare what is actually being done.




pafret wrote:
I don't even comprehend your statements and I am certainly not going to take action when you haven't indicated what you are talking about. My days of ready, fire, aim are over.

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May 9, 2017 10:15:06   #
Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
 
Well Put... He Might Be What Some Call a 'Troll'... Don D.

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crazylibertarian wrote:
I am from a blue collar working class background. My parents voted for Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1932 & never again did they vote Democratic after they saw what he did. FDR set the country on the inexorable path to the type of communism we have today. The CPUSA has endorsed the Democratic presidential nominee the past three elections.


I am a registered Republican of the libertarian wing. I can not see how anyone can vote for the Democrats. I suggest you read about communism, beginning with The Manifesto And you will see that its agenda is 100% allied with the Democrats.

The liars are the Democrats. The name callers are the Democrats, especially the ones in this venue. The most smug, intolerant, judgmental, self-righteous people I have ever known have been Democrats.

Your erroneous assumption is that if the government didn't do those things such as Meals on Wheels, they wouldn't get done.
I am from a blue collar working class background. ... (show quote)

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May 9, 2017 10:23:13   #
jer48 Loc: perris ca
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
I was raised not just a Democrat but as a naturally rebellious Irishman: authority was always to be questioned and usually resisted. Republicans were the establishment, the lowest and most callous people on earth. Yet I have to admit I was not quite clear why. Pro-union was enough in my family to vote Blue all the way. It was entrenched in my thinking from a young age that Republicans were the dupes of the rich.

When I came back from oversea's service in 1968, I was more tempered in attitude and thinking but still not really knowledgeable about the differences in parties. It did not concern me that much; I thought both sides were a little over the top, though tended to distrust the establishment (i.e., Republicans) more. In Manhattan simply on a job search, I came upon an antiwar march. I had just finished lunch and was looking for a trash bin to toss my empty bottle of soda. Then I heard a police officer yell, "Drop it!" When I quickly scanned the surrounding ground, I realized he was talking to me: he had his hand on his gun and was staring right at me. What? Then I realized his concern was the empty soda bottle. "Drop it!" he shouted. I probably should not have laughed. He was quickly joined by two other officers who seemed eager to slay their first commie. "Putting it down, putting it down," I said with one hand raised.

That was the end of the confrontation, but as I walked away a guy came up to me with a big smile, put out his hand, and said, "Welcome to the home of the free." I smiled. He introduced himself and said he was with the Quaker Marshall Program to maintain non-violence at demonstrations. Somehow he sensed that I was a recently returned Vet. I took their training and since that day until a few years ago, I was pretty much neutral about the American political landscape. Both parties, to me, did not represent the best interest of its citizenry. The emergence of the Tea Party and shameless racial attacks on the president changed that. Republicans were after divisiveness: that was abundantly clear. Fear and hate were their constant message. As Conservative media grew, so did the gulf between the parties and the American people. What to do?

I never knew politics and politicians were so corrupt, so openly corrupt. They blatantly lie everyday and their policies routinely hurt the middle class, poor, elderly, and young. This is done mostly by the Right that find fiscal concerns more important than people. Fiscal concerns are important, of course, but not above human life and dignity. It appears this is of little or no thought to them. End Meals On Wheels, after-school food programs, both of which the GOP lied and said their were no stats either helped, and you have a convert opposed to the heart against the lying, deceiving, conniving GOP.
I was raised not just a Democrat but as a naturall... (show quote)


what a blow hard what planet are you from?

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May 9, 2017 10:31:15   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
Well Dilbert. Ready ,fire, aim and ready, aim, fire depends on what type of weapon and the immediate need. In a target rich environment, tracer rounds, automatic, semi, or manual. Point is frequently the best choice.


pafret wrote:
I don't even comprehend your statements and I am certainly not going to take action when you haven't indicated what you are talking about. My days of ready, fire, aim are over.

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May 9, 2017 10:34:16   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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both parties are hijacked and need to be removed


Agree at last count there are only 26 True Republicans in Congress it remains to be seen if they can still hold true only time will tell !

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May 9, 2017 10:46:05   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
ron vrooman wrote:
Let's see where this is: do you comprehend the founding documents? when is the last time you read the D of I; Articles of Confederation, Constitution of the united States of America and the NW Ordnance and the treaties connected with the War of 1812? That is crucial to comprehending all the areas where the United States Inc and its affiliates have defrauded you.
Then taking lawful action. I chose PAG as the corporate governance would not prosecute their own. Prosecutorial Discretion, stops we the people from obtaining remedy from the corporate governance.

So now how's your comprehension? Do you know about Lincoln and sine die? what about FDR and his fraud. People run for public office such as sheriff. Get elected and leave the office vacant and take a seat in the de facto corporate governance and enforce the code. Read what the job function is and then compare what is actually being done.
Let's see where this is: do you comprehend the fou... (show quote)


How is your comprehension, do you know about the three Yankee-Pennamite wars which were the first civil wars fought in this country? It also was the first example of the Continental government under the Articles of Confederation resolving an interstate dispute, involving Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Maine and Vermont. The Continental Congress was notable for establishing the Northwest Territories' form of government, which forbade the practice of slavery, thus setting the stage for the later conflicts. The attempts at compromise, in admission of slave and non-slave states, were ultimately unsatisfactory to the Southern states and contributed to the causes of the second Civil War.

Despite the Southerners walkout from Congress in 1861, which then adjourned 'Sine Die', the concept has no validity in the Constitution. Sine Die is a construct of Robert's Rules of Order, written by a Southerner. Despite the questions of legality of Congress' subsequent actions without Southern States, a game plan (the Rules of Order) which is not embodied in the Constitution is not law.

It is nice that you chose PAG but what does the Penske Automotive Group or the Pima Association of Governments, or the Plant & Animal Genome Conference have to do with American History or politics? What is this Corporate Governance group you refer to, is there a new branch of government I missed while I was sleeping?

Your thesis is murky, you do not state premises you simply spew unrelated questions, assertions, names and actions that some unspecified group should implement. "All Sound and Fury Signifying Nothing"

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May 9, 2017 11:02:15   #
Big Bass
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
I was raised not just a Democrat but as a naturally rebellious Irishman: authority was always to be questioned and usually resisted. Republicans were the establishment, the lowest and most callous people on earth. Yet I have to admit I was not quite clear why. Pro-union was enough in my family to vote Blue all the way. It was entrenched in my thinking from a young age that Republicans were the dupes of the rich.

When I came back from oversea's service in 1968, I was more tempered in attitude and thinking but still not really knowledgeable about the differences in parties. It did not concern me that much; I thought both sides were a little over the top, though tended to distrust the establishment (i.e., Republicans) more. In Manhattan simply on a job search, I came upon an antiwar march. I had just finished lunch and was looking for a trash bin to toss my empty bottle of soda. Then I heard a police officer yell, "Drop it!" When I quickly scanned the surrounding ground, I realized he was talking to me: he had his hand on his gun and was staring right at me. What? Then I realized his concern was the empty soda bottle. "Drop it!" he shouted. I probably should not have laughed. He was quickly joined by two other officers who seemed eager to slay their first commie. "Putting it down, putting it down," I said with one hand raised.

That was the end of the confrontation, but as I walked away a guy came up to me with a big smile, put out his hand, and said, "Welcome to the home of the free." I smiled. He introduced himself and said he was with the Quaker Marshall Program to maintain non-violence at demonstrations. Somehow he sensed that I was a recently returned Vet. I took their training and since that day until a few years ago, I was pretty much neutral about the American political landscape. Both parties, to me, did not represent the best interest of its citizenry. The emergence of the Tea Party and shameless racial attacks on the president changed that. Republicans were after divisiveness: that was abundantly clear. Fear and hate were their constant message. As Conservative media grew, so did the gulf between the parties and the American people. What to do?

I never knew politics and politicians were so corrupt, so openly corrupt. They blatantly lie everyday and their policies routinely hurt the middle class, poor, elderly, and young. This is done mostly by the Right that find fiscal concerns more important than people. Fiscal concerns are important, of course, but not above human life and dignity. It appears this is of little or no thought to them. End Meals On Wheels, after-school food programs, both of which the GOP lied and said their were no stats either helped, and you have a convert opposed to the heart against the lying, deceiving, conniving GOP.
I was raised not just a Democrat but as a naturall... (show quote)


"Before coming here to OPP, I was extremely naive about Politics and Politicians"
You haven't changed a bit.

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May 9, 2017 11:04:08   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
So you have some knowledge and some arcane information. Now apply that to the situation. PAG was identified so read the post again. we the people have not had lawful legislation since Lincolns era. Each house will make their own rules. the Legislature since 1861 has been bogus. It is all color of law and legal fiction.
You appear to be one of the US citizens. Content with the UCMJ applied to the general public. I was also until I woke up 2014. It all plots on the bell curve.


pafret wrote:
How is your comprehension, do you know about the three Yankee-Pennamite wars which were the first civil wars fought in this country? It also was the first example of the Continental government under the Articles of Confederation resolving an interstate dispute, involving Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Maine and Vermont. The Continental Congress was notable for establishing the Northwest Territories' form of government, which forbade the practice of slavery, thus setting the stage for the later conflicts. The attempts at compromise, in admission of slave and non-slave states, were ultimately unsatisfactory to the Southern states and contributed to the causes of the second Civil War.

Despite the Southerners walkout from Congress in 1861, which then adjourned 'Sine Die', the concept has no validity in the Constitution. Sine Die is a construct of Robert's Rules of Order, written by a Southerner. Despite the questions of legality of Congress' subsequent actions without Southern States, a game plan (the Rules of Order) which is not embodied in the Constitution is not law.

It is nice that you chose PAG but what does the Penske Automotive Group or the Pima Association of Governments, or the Plant & Animal Genome Conference have to do with American History or politics? What is this Corporate Governance group you refer to, is there a new branch of government I missed while I was sleeping?

Your thesis is murky, you do not state premises you simply spew unrelated questions, assertions, names and actions that some unspecified group should implement. "All Sound and Fury Signifying Nothing"
How is your comprehension, do you know about the t... (show quote)

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May 9, 2017 11:08:24   #
RRRoger
 
Trump a Populist is fighting the Establishment Elite which now seems more entrenched in the Democrat Party.
The "Swamp" corruption is on both sides of the isle as they sell their votes to the highest bidders.

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May 9, 2017 11:10:42   #
Nickolai
 
crazylibertarian wrote:
I am from a blue collar working class background. My parents voted for Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1932 & never again did they vote Democratic after they saw what he did. FDR set the country on the inexorable path to the type of communism we have today. The CPUSA has endorsed the Democratic presidential nominee the past three elections.


I am a registered Republican of the libertarian wing. I can not see how anyone can vote for the Democrats. I suggest you read about communism, beginning with The Manifesto And you will see that its agenda is 100% allied with the Democrats.

The liars are the Democrats. The name callers are the Democrats, especially the ones in this venue. The most smug, intolerant, judgmental, self-righteous people I have ever known have been Democrats.

Your erroneous assumption is that if the government didn't do those things such as Meals on Wheels, they wouldn't get done.
I am from a blue collar working class background. ... (show quote)







I cannot understand how any body that ever worked for some one else could vote Republican. The most smug intolerant, judgmental, self righteous. sanctimonious people I've ever known are conservatives. All they have ever good for is to get in the way of progressives and try and slow them down,, They make no positive contributions to civilization and try to block every thing progressive want to do to improve our society. FDR saved 28 million from starving to death. by 1933 28 million Americans had no visible means of support. Along the eastern sea board there were people living on boiled dandelions. The railroad cars had more hoboes ridding the rails than had paying passengers in the cars above. Teen age hookers worked the hobo jungles risking disease. pregnancy, and death for a dime a trick. From the time of Hoover the government tried pouring money at the top as trickle down policy Republicans are so fond of but it did not work. So the WPA and CCC were formed and from 1933 to 1942 the government employed 12 million men directly. Labor, the socialist and communist parties were demanding change. Revolution was in the air so FDR went to the economic elites and told them something had to be done and that they would have to pay for it. That incomes above $25,000 would be taxed 100 % naturally they complained so a compromise was reached at 91 % Growth resumed at a good rate through 33,34,35, 30, and then the budget hawks got FDR to reign in spending and the economy fell into recession again Bankruptcy's increased un- employment rose and growth fell in to negative territory but FDR never proposed that government take over businesses or industries Electric Utility companies were allowed to operate as regulated monopolies. In short FDR did not go communist he saved Capitalism

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May 9, 2017 11:17:16   #
ron vrooman Loc: Now OR, born NV
 
You are just ignorant and I point it out to you. FDR and Lincoln did more to destroy our Constitutional Republic than even obozo. ever hear of cause and effect. BAR and BANKERS are the cause. They engineer the effect to make them more wealth.

Nickolai wrote:
I cannot understand how any body that ever worked for some one else could vote Republican. The most smug intolerant, judgmental, self righteous. sanctimonious people I've ever known are conservatives. All they have ever good for is to get in the way of progressives and try and slow them down,, They make no positive contributions to civilization and try to block every thing progressive want to do to improve our society. FDR saved 28 million from starving to death. by 1933 28 million Americans had no visible means of support. Along the eastern sea board there were people living on boiled dandelions. The railroad cars had more hoboes ridding the rails than had paying passengers in the cars above. Teen age hookers worked the hobo jungles risking disease. pregnancy, and death for a dime a trick. From the time of Hoover the government tried pouring money at the top as trickle down policy Republicans are so fond of but it did not work. So the WPA and CCC were formed and from 1933 to 1942 the government employed 12 million men directly. Labor, the socialist and communist parties were demanding change. Revolution was in the air so FDR went to the economic elites and told them something had to be done and that they would have to pay for it. That incomes above $25,000 would be taxed 100 % naturally they complained so a compromise was reached at 91 % Growth resumed at a good rate through 33,34,35, 30, and then the budget hawks got FDR to reign in spending and the economy fell into recession again Bankruptcy's increased un- employment rose and growth fell in to negative territory but FDR never proposed that government take over businesses or industries Electric Utility companies were allowed to operate as regulated monopolies. In short FDR did not go communist he saved Capitalism
I cannot understand how any body that ever worked... (show quote)

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