jimahrens Loc: California

Many of you have asked why Hillery has not be indicted, The one and only, reason is dozens of government officials on both sides of Congress are involved in the corruption. Be more plea deals made than flies on a rotten piece of meat. To our utter disgust, Pizza Gate is not fake news. Congress CIA, FBI and who know how many more?

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

'Dozens'? You mean hundreds. Probably thousands. Hillary is just one of the more visible and so makes a better target.

bahmer

I am sure that the corruption runs deep and wide and does cover both sides of the isle. However it would be a good way to drain the swamp and put an end to corruption id the federal government with the future threat that it could happen to you if you dabble in corruption. I would love nothing more than to see a good majority of the establishment congressmen and senators sitting in jail somewhere along with past administration officials ranging from ex presidents on down. That would be a blessing to behold and give the American people hope again of a system of the people and for the people and truly by the people.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

From Wikipedia: "Pizzagate is a debunked conspiracy theory that emerged during the 2016 United States presidential election cycle. The theory, which went viral, claimed that John Podesta's emails, which were leaked by WikiLeaks, contained coded messages referring to human trafficking and connecting a number of restaurants in the United States and members of the Democratic Party with a fabricated child-sex ring. The false theory has been extensively discredited by a wide array of organizations and described as a "fictitious conspiracy theory" by the District of Columbia Police Department."

Read the thread, 'Alex Jones and his United States of Confusion."

pafret Loc: Northeast

Which wide array of Organizations? Perhaps some of the alphabet spy agencies which never tell a lie? Or was it Main Stream Media which always prints the truth and never falsifies any data?. The Same waSHIUNGTON p

pafret Loc: Northeast

Which wide array of Organizations? Perhaps some of the alphabet spy agencies which never tell a lie? Or was it Main Stream Media which always prints the truth and never falsifies any data?. Is that the same Washington Police Department that got called to investigate a break-in at the Watergate and conveniently ran out of gas on the way?.

Do you really think discreditings by unnamed organizations have any meaning? Prop - a - ganda, Propaganda, Propaganda.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

Sorry, Pafret, but fake news of 'Pizzagate' is propaganda, indeed, of the worst sort. Here is more of the story....

Origins...again, from Wikipedia:

2016 conspiracy theory

This conspiracy theory emerged near the end of the 2016 United States presidential election cycle. On October 30, 2016, a white supremacist Twitter account claimed the New York City Police Department, which was searching emails found on Anthony Weiner's laptop as part of an investigation into his sexting scandals, had discovered the existence of a pedophilia ring linked to members of the Democratic Party. Internet users reading John Podesta's emails released by Wikileaks in early November 2016 speculated that some words in Podesta's emails were code words for pedophilia and human trafficking. The theory also proposed that the ring was a meeting ground for satanic ritual abuse. Other claims that the theory proposed include the use of handkerchief codes (interpreted from a widely-cited email mentioning a handkerchief with a "pizza-related map"), the alleged use of pedophile symbols in the logos of various organizations, and John Podesta and his brother Tony Podesta's alleged connection to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The theory was then posted on the message board Godlike Productions. The following day, Sean Adl-Tabatabai (a former associate of David Icke) repeated the story on YourNewsWire, citing a 4chan post from earlier that year. Adl-Tabatabai's story was then spread by and elaborated on by other fake news websites, including SubjectPolitics, which falsely claimed the New York Police Department had raided Hillary Clinton's property. The website Conservative Daily Post ran a headline falsely stating that the Federal Bureau of Investigation had "confirmed" this story.

Spread on social media

Users on Twitter and 4chan searched the leaked emails of John Podesta for food-related "code words" that supposedly revealed the existence of a sex trafficking operation. For example, The New York Times reported that the phrase "cheese pizza" was thought by a poster to 4chan to be a code word for child pornography since they had the same initials. The allegations spread to "the mainstream internet" following a post on the website Reddit several days before the 2016 US presidential election. The post, meanwhile removed by the site, alleged the involvement of the Washington, D.C., business Comet Ping Pong:

Everyone associated with the business is making semi-overt, semi-tongue-in-cheek, and semi-sarcastic inferences towards sex with minors. The artists that work for and with the business also generate nothing but cultish imagery of disembodiment, blood, beheadings, sex, and of course pizza.

The story was picked up by fake news websites such as Infowars.com, Planet Free Will and the Vigilant Citizen, and has been promoted by alt-right activists such as Mike Cernovich and Brittany Pettibone. Other promoters included David Seaman, former writer for TheStreet.com, CBS46 anchor Ben Swann, and basketball player Andrew Bogut. On December 30, as Bogut recovered from a knee injury, members of /r/The_Donald community on Reddit upvoted a post claiming that his injury was connected to mild support for Pizzagate. Sports Illustrated and Mashable debunked this claim, pointing out that Bogut was an "incredibly injury-prone" basketball player. Jonathan Albright, an assistant professor of media analytics at Elon University, said that a disproportionate number of tweets about Pizzagate came from the Czech Republic, Cyprus, and Vietnam and that some of the most frequent retweeters were bots.

Members of the Reddit community /r/The_Donald created the /r/pizzagate subreddit to further develop the conspiracy theory. The sub was banned on November 23, 2016 for violating Reddit's anti-doxing policy with Reddit posting a notice that "We don't want witchhunts on our site." Users had posted personal details of people connected to the alleged conspiracy. After the ban on Reddit, the discussion was moved to the v/pizzagate sub on Voat, a website similar to Reddit, where discussion continues.

Some of Pizzagate's proponents, including David Seaman and Michael Flynn Jr., have evolved the conspiracy into a broader government conspiracy called "Pedogate". According to this theory, a "satanic cabal of elites" of the New World Order operate international child sex trafficking rings.

BTW, The conspiracy theory has been widely discredited and debunked by a wide array of organizations. It has been judged to be false after detailed investigation by the fact-checking website snopes.com and The New York Times and numerous news organizations have debunked it as a conspiracy theory, including The New York Observer, The Washington Post, The Independent in London, The Huffington Post, The Washington Times, Los Angeles Times, Fox News and the Miami Herald. The Metropolitan Police Department of the District of Columbia characterized the matter as "fictitious".

But, in the political climate of today, people will believe as they choose, while disregarding the truth.

Nickolai

Hillary Clinton has been bashed by the right since she was first lady of Arkansas

pafret Loc: Northeast

Slatten, I am not claiming pizzagate was real, basically there is so much total bull coming from all quarters that accusations and denials are all of equal validity. I can't prove or disprove any of it. 9/11 was two planes crashing into the Twin towers, 9/11 was controlled demolition with videos to prove it. You can't make phone calls from the sky, there was no one on those planes. The dancing Israelis did it, the Saudi government did it and LBJ came back from the dead to crash the towers, with video to prove it. You can trust it because it is on u-tube. It used to be seeing is believing but today nothing is believable and I can find a sizeable portion of people who will agree on any point. You know if we have consensus it must be true!

samtheyank

What you are saying is true! The American People have the responsibility to clean up this shit hole. President Trump is just one man and he can't carry the whole burden. If we do not take this seriously, we are going to be in some real deep Do Do! The American People have to decide what kind of nation we want to live in as citizens of this great Democracy.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

There is much truth in what you write here, Pafret. But, IMO, information/rhetoric can only be stretched so far before it becomes virtually nonsensical. This is especially pertinent when facts are obvious enough as to not being dismissed so easily by those who are willing to accept reality. This is not to suggest that I am any more capable of discerning truth than you or others, but I can only take so much imaginative theory before going with those facts, logic/reason and my own gut instinct. Since that is probably what most do, then I have come to accept that some will believe what they choose...facts, logic and reason be damned.

pafret Loc: Northeast

Slat, the problem is too many "facts". Everyone is an expert with contradictory claims about the same elements. For instance, the metal frame could not have melted because the fuel was not capable of burning at a high enough temperature. The metal could definitely melt at the temperature achieved because there was molten metal in the debris. There was no molten metal in the debris it was something else. One would have to be expert in metallurgy, carbon fuel chemistry, pyrotechnics specialist, mechanical engineer and have a detailed knowledge of the actual steel used in the towers e.g. composition, strength tests etc. The buildings came down in free fall and this is only possible if there was detonation of supports, the buildings did not free fall, they pancaked. And so on.

Between real facts and fake facts, neither of which are verifiable by me I am left with disbelief of all. For every statement claiming scientific proof there is an opposing statement also claiming scientific proof. The only certainty is that both towers were destroyed.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

Both towers, and building 7, which was never actually hit. Oh, and building 7 came down exactly as it would under a controlled demolition as well.

slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas

My, oh my. Where is Payne2000 when needed

bahmer

I do believe it is Payne1000. I have been in discussions with him before on this topic. Those discussions go for days and weeks until I just ignore him altogether and he has a couple of other conspiracies that he loves to discuss as well can't remember the topics though.