pafret Loc: Northeast

You have been revealed as a rabid Jew hater. Your ilk wears Swastika armbands and salutes der Fuhrer.

payne1000

Just to show what a liar you are, this Jewish website validates the quote by Ben Gurion which Sheila Samples quoted.
http://progressiveisrael.org/ben-gurions-notorious-quotes-their-polemical-uses-abuses/

And to show what a psychopath Ben Gurion was, here's another of his quotes:

“If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England,
and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter,
for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”

Ben Gurion admits in this quote that Zionists have stolen Palestine from the Arabs:

“If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country.
It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs.
There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault?
They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”

payne1000

This famous Jewish scientist/author/philosopher says the Israeli occupation of Palestine is turning Jews into Judeo-Nazis:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM2fXTkjU2E

This Pulitzer prize-winning political cartoonist agrees with Prof. Leibowitz

pafret Loc: Northeast

The lie here was to post an excerpt and use this to plaster all Jews. You have even done this with the Jewish site you linked. You are quoting the list of intemperate remarks, some them from his diary, while you ignored this information from the same site which shows context and History.

“Ben-Gurion was Israel’s George Washington, and just as we know that Washington and other US founding fathers were slave-holders and that Washington destroyed the towns of the Iroquois, it’s hard to find a founding father of any country born in war who did not order ruthless acts. And Ben-Gurion was not of the same political stream as Hashomer Hatzair, Mapam, Ihud and Brit Shalom – Zionists with different ideas.”

“Not all but most of these quotes came after the Arabs had launched their violent efforts to crush the Yishuv in late ’47 and then to destroy the State of Israel after its declaration of independence in May ’48; it’s not surprising that B-G would say some hyperbolic things after the Arabs had irrevocably shown their hand by launching their attacks.

To sum up my reaction:
1. The Jews were engaged in a life or death struggle with the Arabs of Palestine, mostly because of the choice of the latter.
2. Selected quotes of one leader are not representative of an entire spectrum of parties and factions that equally saw themselves as “Zionist.” (They might not even be so representative of his movement or even of him; they were uttered in times of extreme pressure.)
3. When is the bigotry, intolerance, ignorance and violence of the Arab world going to become PC for the left to examine honestly and completely?
4. How many countries in the world were not born of historical “sin” of some sort or other?
5. When are we going to stop talking ancient history?
6. When are we going to stop talking about”Zionism” and start relating to this conflict in human terms? Jews and Arabs, Israelis and Palestinians have to see each other as fellow human beings entitled to equal respect, rights and protections. – Ralph Seliger”

You indict an entire people based on the intemperate words of a few individuals while they were under extreme stress. This is the big lie technique, you would equally accuse all White Anglo Saxon Protestants of racism based on the racist intemperate speech of a Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan?

Yes, Palestine was stolen from the Arabs, who resided there, by action of the United Nations. You need to remember that during the last world war those same people were allied with our enemy and Palestine was Britain's by right of conquest. Any statement of Ben Gurion's about Jewish occupation was simply a recognition of what the prevailing opinion of Palestinians would be and an acknowledgement that the Jews were occupying the land that the Arabs lost.

you asked "There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? "

The answer to that is a resounding yes, not only did they support Hitler they actively perpetrated the anti-semitic atrocities by sending divisions of Arab Moslems to fight for Hitler. They were belligerants and it was their fault.

The Palestinians could be sitting in their own state if they didn't insist on genocide of Jews as a precondition.

There are two peoples here and an objective observer could weigh their worth in the balance of which group has been of greater value to mankind. The Arabs have brought wars, murder, enslavement, debauched values and primitive living standards to the entire world beginning in the 700's with the start of their diabolical religion. They value ignorance and have zero respect for anyone else's beliefs or property. They brought the plague to Europe and they maintained wars of conquest throughout Europe and Asia up to modern times. They are barbaric in their actions, philosophy and anti-life in general. They have no respect for any law except lex talionis, their religion teaches them that they need not obey any other law.

Islam has 1.8 billion adherents (Arabs by conquest), making up over 24.1% of the world population. One quarter or 349,870,608 million are Arab by birth, roughly 6 %. There has been exactly one Arab who won a Nobel Prize for science, one who won for Literature and three who won the Peace prize and that includes Barack Obama, the moslem Arab wannabe. Yassr Arafat won on the coattails of two Jews, who shared the prize that year. The Jews because they tried to make peace and Arafat because he pretended to make peace.

The Jews have given the world Monotheism, Judeo Christian morality, scientific advancement, medical advancement. They excel in governance, finance, medicine, Theoretical Physics, Chemistry and the arts, and live in peace,obeying the laws, in whatever country in which they are residing. Each year, Jews are heavily represented in the ranks of those who win Nobel prizes for scientific achievements. Jewish world population was 13.75 million people in the past year. One out of every 514 people in the world is Jewish, less than 0.2 percent of mankind. There has been 197 Jewish recipients of Nobel Prizes. Jews or people of Jewish descent have been recipients of all six awards, including 41% of economics, 28% of medicine, 26% of physics, 19% of chemistry, 13% of literature and 9% of all peace awards. Jews are pro-life.

What this world needs is more Jews and fewer Arab-Moslems. Two tenths of one percent of the people of this earth have made these contributions while the Arab six percent have brought nothing but dissension, war, pestilence and disease. Ben Gurion may have been intemperate but there was nothing wrong with his vision.

Loki Loc: Georgia

I might point out that while Washington may have destroyed towns and villages of the Iroquois, it should be mentioned that the Iroquois were pretty much universally hated and feared by most non-Iroquois confederation Indians, because of the Iroquois' predilection for doing basically the same thing to any Indians who offended them. The same for the Lakota and their cousins the Cheyenne. They got "their" hunting grounds by the simple expedient of killing or running off the Indians who were there first, (those including, but not limited to the Pawnee and Crow.)