Do not remove Civil War Memorials and Statues
Apr 25, 2017 20:25:32 #
Prejudice and hate cannot be removed with pickaxes or bulldozers. (Progressives can be a little too blunt or heavy-handed.) What can be dug up or buried is our perspective on our history, of how we came to be who we are today as a nation. Removing from public view all traces of the Civil War—memorials, statues, school names and so forth--creates another heavy causality of that conflict, one of consciousness and conversation. This is our shared past. It should not be hidden.
Tolerance and inclusiveness are not values we instill at the end of a busy eraser or sharp tip of a shovel. It is not something we build by forgetting. Tolerance and inclusiveness come through the murky, sweaty, dirty and painful work of realizing our mistakes, faults, biases and failures as a person and a people in relationship with the world, and the willingness to change for the betterment of ourselves and our nation and the world.
If those traces remain, there will always be those who see them with a sense of pride and others with a sense of outrage, yet they are neither. All that they symbolize is humanity and the urgency to listen and work together...or else. We need to see this imperative everywhere we look. We need to be aware of how devastating it will be if we do not listen and work together. Blacks, more than anyone, should want that sculpted Confederate general on his horse in the town square or the school his children attend named after a Dixie hero. They need to know the obstacles and cost of freedom and how an entire nation can go awry in plain view.
What needs to be said is that these “traces” of the Civil War, though mostly commissioned from 1870 to the 1930s as a means to honor the the Confederacy and the memory of the antebellum South, do not represent the full heart of those who fought and died, who were not slave owners. They were defending their land from Northern aggression and the interference in State's rights. Their homes and families were at risk. This is not apologia for their betrayal of their country, yet similar attitudes of betrayal for a United States of America are clearly visible now with the alt-right's hatred of a Central Government.
Tolerance and inclusiveness are not values we instill at the end of a busy eraser or sharp tip of a shovel. It is not something we build by forgetting. Tolerance and inclusiveness come through the murky, sweaty, dirty and painful work of realizing our mistakes, faults, biases and failures as a person and a people in relationship with the world, and the willingness to change for the betterment of ourselves and our nation and the world.
If those traces remain, there will always be those who see them with a sense of pride and others with a sense of outrage, yet they are neither. All that they symbolize is humanity and the urgency to listen and work together...or else. We need to see this imperative everywhere we look. We need to be aware of how devastating it will be if we do not listen and work together. Blacks, more than anyone, should want that sculpted Confederate general on his horse in the town square or the school his children attend named after a Dixie hero. They need to know the obstacles and cost of freedom and how an entire nation can go awry in plain view.
What needs to be said is that these “traces” of the Civil War, though mostly commissioned from 1870 to the 1930s as a means to honor the the Confederacy and the memory of the antebellum South, do not represent the full heart of those who fought and died, who were not slave owners. They were defending their land from Northern aggression and the interference in State's rights. Their homes and families were at risk. This is not apologia for their betrayal of their country, yet similar attitudes of betrayal for a United States of America are clearly visible now with the alt-right's hatred of a Central Government.
Apr 25, 2017 20:46:16 #
Dr.Dross wrote:
Prejudice and hate cannot be removed with pickaxes... (show quote)
I agreed up until the final sentence. Under the Constitution, we were not meant to have an over-powerful, all controlling central government. See the 10th Amendment. It seems now that the lefties are all of a sudden fans of it.
Apr 25, 2017 20:58:07 #
Archie, he finally wrote something that is right on until like you said, the last sentence. Unfortunately they have omitted the 10th, the 4th Amendments from their vocabulary. They do however know the 5th very well. Mike
archie bunker wrote:
I agreed up until the final sentence. Under the Constitution, we were not meant to have an over-powerful, all controlling central government. See the 10th Amendment. It seems now that the lefties are all of a sudden fans of it.
Apr 25, 2017 20:58:39 #
archie bunker wrote:
I agreed up until the final sentence. Under the Constitution, we were not meant to have an over-powerful, all controlling central government. See the 10th Amendment. It seems now that the lefties are all of a sudden fans of it.
We need a brand new Amendment...OPEN SEASON on Liberals, Negros, Muslims, Democrats, and anyone else that is an enemy of our Freedoms.
Apr 25, 2017 21:13:36 #
Apr 25, 2017 21:15:06 #
They were democrats,,,,, and the dems have regained their slaves........ especially under the Progressive banner... racism is alive and well.
Yet I agree, the history is benign, and should not be changed,,,,
By the way,, DO you own a house in the US???? IF so, it is on land that your people murdered and raped for, and stole.
Yet I agree, the history is benign, and should not be changed,,,,
By the way,, DO you own a house in the US???? IF so, it is on land that your people murdered and raped for, and stole.
Dr.Dross wrote:
Prejudice and hate cannot be removed with pickaxes... (show quote)
Apr 25, 2017 21:25:30 #
archie bunker wrote:
I agreed up until the final sentence. Under the Constitution, we were not meant to have an over-powerful, all controlling central government. See the 10th Amendment. It seems now that the lefties are all of a sudden fans of it.
That last sentence did not say we are to have "an over-powerful, all controlling central government." It is reflective only of a negative attitude toward a Central Government. Much of what made this country great and brought us into the Twentieth Century would have been impossible without a strong Central Government. Just a simple fact.
An example: Under Republican president Eisenhower the Federal government made us globally competitive and a power to be reckoned with by our highway system, which would never would have happened with the states. Hoover Dam is another example. All the levee projects in other states yet another.
Apr 25, 2017 21:27:29 #
Ve'hoe wrote:
They were democrats,,,,, and the dems have regained their slaves........ especially under the Progressive banner... racism is alive and well.
Yet I agree, the history is benign, and should not be changed,,,,
By the way,, DO you own a house in the US???? IF so, it is on land that your people murdered and raped for, and stole.
Yet I agree, the history is benign, and should not be changed,,,,
By the way,, DO you own a house in the US???? IF so, it is on land that your people murdered and raped for, and stole.
Peyote, Ve'hoe? What on earth are you talking about, lol?
Apr 25, 2017 21:39:41 #
You leftists racism,,, and the fact that you dems/progressives actually owned slaves and started the civil war...
Are you on peyote,, racist white a-shole???
Are you on peyote,, racist white a-shole???
Dr.Dross wrote:
Peyote, Ve'hoe? What on earth are you talking about, lol?
Apr 25, 2017 21:42:39 #
Ve'hoe wrote:
You leftists racism,,, and the fact that you dems/progressives actually owned slaves and started the civil war...
Are you on peyote,, racist white a-shole???
Are you on peyote,, racist white a-shole???
Hmmm.
Apr 25, 2017 21:55:52 #
seems a simple question, when you make such a generalization about a race of people and their religious rites.....
all the while belittling others for "their brand of racism".... the dichotomy of liberal ethical dilemmas,,,
amazing huh??
Or you could just tell the truth,,unlikely for a lib,,,, but not impossible
all the while belittling others for "their brand of racism".... the dichotomy of liberal ethical dilemmas,,,
amazing huh??
Or you could just tell the truth,,unlikely for a lib,,,, but not impossible
Dr.Dross wrote:
Hmmm.
Apr 25, 2017 22:08:29 #
Ve'hoe wrote:
seems a simple question, when you make such a generalization about a race of people and their religious rites.....
all the while belittling others for "their brand of racism".... the dichotomy of liberal ethical dilemmas,,,
amazing huh??
Or you could just tell the truth,,unlikely for a lib,,,, but not impossible
all the while belittling others for "their brand of racism".... the dichotomy of liberal ethical dilemmas,,,
amazing huh??
Or you could just tell the truth,,unlikely for a lib,,,, but not impossible
I would not find it offensive if you said to me, an Irishman, "A little too much whiskey, Seamus?" Cultural over-indulgence in a preferred habit or substance is to be expected. However, you are right. I was not thinking of the religious connection. My apologies. I was wrong.
Apr 25, 2017 22:12:20 #
And even if you pay it off, YOU DON'T OWN IT. Don't pay taxes on it and see what happens. Where I live you don't even get a deed any more, just a receipt. Mike
Ve'hoe wrote:
They were democrats,,,,, and the dems have regained their slaves........ especially under the Progressive banner... racism is alive and well.
Yet I agree, the history is benign, and should not be changed,,,,
By the way,, DO you own a house in the US???? IF so, it is on land that your people murdered and raped for, and stole.
Yet I agree, the history is benign, and should not be changed,,,,
By the way,, DO you own a house in the US???? IF so, it is on land that your people murdered and raped for, and stole.
Apr 25, 2017 22:12:36 #
Accepted,,,, I too am against the Peyote,,, God,, "man above" or "wakan tanka",,, does not require any substance to speak with him,,, nor does he care what you call him,,,, in the words of my "wicasa wakan" (medicine man by your definition),,,,
"He Knows who he is"
"He Knows who he is"
Dr.Dross wrote:
I would not find it offensive if you said to me, an Irishman, "A little too much whiskey, Seamus?" Cultural over-indulgence in a preferred habit or substance is to be expected. However, you are right. I was not thinking of the religious connection. My apologies. I was wrong.
Apr 25, 2017 22:13:45 #
NO SHIITE!!!!! Doesnt that just PISS you the hell off!!!????!!! Does me too!!
teabag09 wrote:
And even if you pay it off, YOU DON'T OWN IT. Don't pay taxes on it and see what happens. Where I live you don't even get a deed any more, just a receipt. Mike
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