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Apr 24, 2017 12:56:03   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
maureenthannon wrote:
I read 1984 a while ago. I also read his book "Animal Planet". Don't remember as much of these books as you seem to, but I do remember that I was amazed at how similar his predictoins are to modern America. It's amazing how he could see so clearly what things would happen. Maybe not so amazing, human nature hasn't changed, people have always been self centered and power hungry. No matter, in the end, theLord has the final say.


Do you mean "Animal Farm"?

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Apr 24, 2017 13:08:05   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Sad - but true. It isn't surprising though, they've had many centuries to perfect their strategy. I was always amazed to see the poor masses used as "cannon fodder" by the nobility, actually think they has to do what they were told. Medieval armies had far more conscripts than professional soldiers/Knights - who could have turned on their masters, ended the war before it started - and gone home to their families. They did not ( with a few exceptions ), because they had been conditioned since birth to believe that they HAD to obey the nobility, often taught that it was because God ordained such.

Weak minds are easily led to their destruction. The weakest minds will go to their doom with a smile on their face - having been led to believe it was their own idea.
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"Weak minds are easily led to their destruction. The weakest minds will go to their doom with a smile on their face - having been led to believe it was their own idea". ~~~Perfect, major and so very true...Not like we have not been witnessing this for a while now, either.... Nor does it seem anyone is learning or wants to learn, they prefer status quo so long as its their agenda going through... Weak minds are lead to their own destruction....I often say our mind is our best friend or worst enemy~~

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Apr 24, 2017 13:08:56   #
Armagh
 
For all you "intellectual" Liberals out there: Don't ever try to convince ME that Liberalism gave rise to free speech; tell it to the great chemist Lavoisier, who was guillotined, or Lafayette, a hero in America, but branded a traitor, in France, during that time because he advocated a constitutional monarchy.

About Lavoisier: "Antoine Lavoisier died by the guillotine at the age of 50 on May 8, 1794 in Paris. Marie-Anne’s father and 26 other people were executed on the same occasion.
At the end of 1795, in a U-turn, the French government found Lavoisier innocent of all charges. By then, of course, it was too late: he was just another innocent victim of the revolution’s Reign of Terror."
From here: http://www.famousscientists.org/antoine-lavoisier/

What is going on in Berkeley and around America, (and the world) has all the atrocious hallmarks of Liberalism: shutting down free speech, not favoring it.

Sorry, eagleye. Looks like I hijacked your topic.

Can you see I am angry?

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Apr 24, 2017 13:22:49   #
Carol Kelly
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Do you know the difference between the goals of the conservative moment and the liberal/progressive movement? Yeah, I couldn't find one either. The ultimate goal of all political party's, ideological movements, and such - is control of the masses. The details of the ideology don't really matter all that much, the whole purpose is to gain control of the Government, then impose whatever "ideology" they believe will enable them to control the people and help them KEEP power.

How does one ensure that one's "way' is perceived as the only viable option? Demonize and disparage the competition, belittle their goals and ambitions, ridicule those that support the competition - and do it more effectively than the competition, who is trying to do the same. To ensure supremacy, one then develops a pogrom against compromise, labeling such practices as weak, and equivalent to surrender. Does any of this seem familiar?
Do you know the difference between the goals of th... (show quote)


Sounds like racism to me!

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Apr 24, 2017 14:45:18   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
Armagh wrote:
For all you "intellectual" Liberals out there: Don't ever try to convince ME that Liberalism gave rise to free speech; tell it to the great chemist Lavoisier, who was guillotined, or Lafayette, a hero in America, but branded a traitor, in France, during that time because he advocated a constitutional monarchy.

About Lavoisier: "Antoine Lavoisier died by the guillotine at the age of 50 on May 8, 1794 in Paris. Marie-Anne’s father and 26 other people were executed on the same occasion.
At the end of 1795, in a U-turn, the French government found Lavoisier innocent of all charges. By then, of course, it was too late: he was just another innocent victim of the revolution’s Reign of Terror."
From here: http://www.famousscientists.org/antoine-lavoisier/

What is going on in Berkeley and around America, (and the world) has all the atrocious hallmarks of Liberalism: shutting down free speech, not favoring it.

Sorry, eagleye. Looks like I hijacked your topic.

Can you see I am angry?
For all you "intellectual" Liberals out ... (show quote)


"What is going on in Berkeley and around America, (and the world) has all the atrocious hallmarks of Liberalism: shutting down free speech, not favoring it.

Sorry, eagleye. Looks like I hijacked your topic.

Can you see I am angry?" -Armagh

Clarity is always welcomed.
You should be angry.
BS is such a pisser!

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Apr 24, 2017 14:54:18   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"What is going on in Berkeley and around America, (and the world) has all the atrocious hallmarks of Liberalism: shutting down free speech, not favoring it.

Sorry, eagleye. Looks like I hijacked your topic.

Can you see I am angry?" -Armagh

Clarity is always welcomed.
You should be angry.
BS is such a pisser!


Yea, there are much easier ways, don't show up for speakers and don't buy their crappy books.

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Apr 24, 2017 21:59:20   #
Armagh
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Yea, there are much easier ways, don't show up for speakers and don't buy their crappy books.


Very good points.

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Apr 25, 2017 09:17:22   #
rufu
 
Orwell thought it would be a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual!

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Apr 25, 2017 09:40:42   #
eagleye13 Loc: Fl
 
rufu wrote:
Orwell thought it would be a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual!


"Orwell thought it would be a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual!"
Too bad it was not used as an instruction manual.
But then it would not have been prophetic.

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Apr 25, 2017 12:40:46   #
JimMe
 
Armagh wrote:
On Liberalism (its affilliation with the French Revolution---why it is considered abominable), John Adams said:

”Helvetius and Rousseau preached to the French nation liberty, till they made them the most mechanical slaves; equality, till they destroyed all equity; humanity, till they became weasels and African panthers; and fraternity, till they cut one another’s throats like Roman gladiators.”

And that is how, I believe, Liberalism and Communism are associated.

There was nothing "great" about the French Revolution. It gave rise to the philosophy of Hegel, and then of Marx, and thus of totalitarianism.

And there are shades of Rousseau in the French "Declaration of the Rights of Man"---the "general will".

Consider this: From the storming of the Bastille, up until Napoleon, the French people were unable to govern themselves. That is why Napoleon.

Here's a good link: http://www.cato.org/blog/liberalism-french-revolution

Remember, the American Revolution was unique in the history of mankind.
On Liberalism (its affilliation with the French Re... (show quote)




In 1859, Charles Dickens wrote in "A Tale of Two Cities" regarding the USA rebellion from England:

"... Mere messages in the earthly order of events had lately come to the English Crown and People, from a congress of British subjects in America: which, strange to relate, have proved more important to the human race than any communications yet received through any of the chickens of the Cock-lane brood..."

Less than a century after the American Revolution, even the English were beginning to understand the underlying principles of Our Nation were uniquely invaluable...

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Apr 25, 2017 13:31:17   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Without Thomas Jefferson and his Declaration of Independence, there would have been no American revolution that announced universal principles of liberty. Without his participation by the side of the unforgettable Marquis de Lafayette, there would have been no French proclamation of The Rights of Man. Without his brilliant negotiation of the Louisiana treaty, there would be no United States of America. Without Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, there would have been no Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom, and no basis for the most precious clause of our most prized element of our imperishable Bill of Rights - the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.”
― Christopher Hitchens

Of course Thomas Jefferson is my favorite but all were amazing..

My favorite : Give me Libety or give me Death



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Apr 25, 2017 13:33:44   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
1984 was the "acceptable year of the Lord" and was claimed as such by the Messiah. Isaiah 61:2. Jarrett Lawrence Emanuel was born on April 4, 1984. This exact date was given by Orwell on page 6 of his novel. Isaiah 7:14. There is also Newspeak, Double Think, The Ministry of Truth, The Ministry of Love, and The Junior Anti-sex League.

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Apr 25, 2017 16:31:41   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
rufu wrote:
Orwell thought it would be a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual!


I would agree with that....what's your point.

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Apr 25, 2017 17:25:47   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
I would agree with that....what's your point.


So you agree without a "point"? Why does that not surprise me.

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Apr 25, 2017 17:27:55   #
Armagh
 
lindajoy wrote:
Without Thomas Jefferson and his Declaration of Independence, there would have been no American revolution that announced universal principles of liberty. Without his participation by the side of the unforgettable Marquis de Lafayette, there would have been no French proclamation of The Rights of Man. Without his brilliant negotiation of the Louisiana treaty, there would be no United States of America. Without Thomas Jefferson and James Madison, there would have been no Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom, and no basis for the most precious clause of our most prized element of our imperishable Bill of Rights - the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.”
― Christopher Hitchens

Of course Thomas Jefferson is my favorite but all were amazing..

My favorite : Give me Libety or give me Death
Without Thomas Jefferson and his Declaration of In... (show quote)


Of the two founders, Jefferson and Adams, Jefferson was the idealist, Adams the pragmatist. Jefferson the Francophile; Adams the Anglophile.

Of the two, though Jefferson was the better writer, and though we need both idealism and pragmatism, and though Jefferson was able to communicate "inalienable rights" to others, I prefer Adams. Yet Madison, with his peculiar attention to logic, is still my favorite.

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