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Apr 23, 2017 20:29:14   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
badbobby wrote:
Paul
you say that marijuana is not addictive.now that seems to me to be an opinion.
do you believe ,or do you disbelieve that the use of marijuana can lead to more dangerous drugs?
I personally have no opinion since I have never used it in any form
although if this arthritis keeps getting worse,I may.

I'd like to thank all the respondents on this subject
no one has cursed or belittled another
and that's the way discussions should be


Badbobby - Perhaps I was parsing words in a manipulative way, for which I apologize. Marijuana, which can indeed become a habit that takes on addictive traits, is not physically addictive in the same way as opioids, meth and cocaine, all of which cause chemical changes in the brain that lead the body to require more and more of the substance to gain the same effect.

And indeed I have never believed marijuana is the "gateway drug" that many believe it to be. Perhaps in the social sense that using one drug may lead one to believe all drugs are OK, but I believe that is a failure in discernment on the part of the user and not an inherent characteristic of marijuana. I smoke marijuana in moderation, but it engenders no desire on my part to move
on to different or more powerful drugs. Perhaps because I have seen the incredible, pointless destruction of humanity that heroin and other drugs bring. And then I lived in Dallas in the 80's when cocaine was the drug of choice, but I wondered why people wanted to pay a lot of money for something that made my dick non-functional and my gums numb!!! I have a LITTLE bit of common sense!

Not everyone should drive a car, own a gun or date people half their age. But it's hard to tell people what is right for them!

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Apr 23, 2017 20:36:23   #
eden
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Badbobby - Perhaps I was parsing words in a manipulative way, for which I apologize. Marijuana, which can indeed become a habit that takes on addictive traits, is not physically addictive in the same way as opioids, meth and cocaine, all of which cause chemical changes in the brain that lead the body to require more and more of the substance to gain the same effect.

And indeed I have never believed marijuana is the "gateway drug" that many believe it to be. Perhaps in the social sense that using one drug may lead one to believe all drugs are OK, but I believe that is a failure in discernment on the part of the user and not an inherent characteristic of marijuana. I smoke marijuana in moderation, but it engenders no desire on my part to move
on to different or more powerful drugs. Perhaps because I have seen the incredible, pointless destruction of humanity that heroin and other drugs bring. And then I lived in Dallas in the 80's when cocaine was the drug of choice, but I wondered why people wanted to pay a lot of money for something that made my dick non-functional and my gums numb!!! I have a LITTLE bit of common sense!

Not everyone should drive a car, own a gun or date people half their age. But it's hard to tell people what is right for them!
Badbobby - Perhaps I was parsing words in a manipu... (show quote)


Haha....true dat!

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Apr 23, 2017 21:31:25   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
eden wrote:
Haha....true dat!


Oh lord...the DAT speak....yous hab some fri chicken and chitlens.....lemme axe yous......

Clearly nothing new about how non educated you actually are.

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Apr 24, 2017 06:35:15   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
pafret wrote:
Marijuana is an intoxicant and like any other intoxicant it will be abused by those who are unable to practice restraint. The arguments based on alcohol toxicity have no bearing, alcohol is ubiquitous, it occurs as a natural byproduct of fermentation which can occur spontaneously and has existed since the dawn of mankind. Adding additional intoxicants to the legal status says we have learned nothing, from the immense social costs, associated with the legal intoxicants we have. Any beneficial medical applications can be derived from extracts of the plant. We do not need to create another industry devoted to physco-active mind benders.

If Marijuana is to be legalized, why not LSD, Speed, Meth, Cocaine, Heroin or any other opioids?
Marijuana is an intoxicant and like any other into... (show quote)


Opioids are legal, when prescribed. Never in my right mind will I understand why any doctor would prescribe methadone to anyone other than a Heroin addict. It seems to be common practice today. In pain? Here, have some synthetic Heroin!

I have heard that Marijuana, in its raw natural state, i.e., young fresh plant form, has many healing benefits. It is when the plant is dried and smoked that it only then becomes toxic. There was something particularly beneficial about the seeds too. But, when smoked, I have heard, seeds can sterilize a man.

I have no link saved. It was in a video I listened to a few weeks back, the SGTReport(?) maybe. The Marijuana conversation was off-topic of the video's main subject, the European pedogate ring. I have done no other research.

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Apr 24, 2017 06:54:22   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Badbobby - Perhaps I was parsing words in a manipulative way, for which I apologize. Marijuana, which can indeed become a habit that takes on addictive traits, is not physically addictive in the same way as opioids, meth and cocaine, all of which cause chemical changes in the brain that lead the body to require more and more of the substance to gain the same effect.

And indeed I have never believed marijuana is the "gateway drug" that many believe it to be. Perhaps in the social sense that using one drug may lead one to believe all drugs are OK, but I believe that is a failure in discernment on the part of the user and not an inherent characteristic of marijuana. I smoke marijuana in moderation, but it engenders no desire on my part to move
on to different or more powerful drugs. Perhaps because I have seen the incredible, pointless destruction of humanity that heroin and other drugs bring. And then I lived in Dallas in the 80's when cocaine was the drug of choice, but I wondered why people wanted to pay a lot of money for something that made my dick non-functional and my gums numb!!! I have a LITTLE bit of common sense!

Not everyone should drive a car, own a gun or date people half their age. But it's hard to tell people what is right for them!
Badbobby - Perhaps I was parsing words in a manipu... (show quote)


In my opinion, the "gateway" are the dealers with easy access to all the other drugs too. They are a "store" of assorted variety.

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Apr 24, 2017 12:36:43   #
eden
 
America Only wrote:
Oh lord...the DAT speak....yous hab some fri chicken and chitlens.....lemme axe yous......

Clearly nothing new about how non educated you actually are.


If there's nothing new, why comment? You should see a doctor about that obsession.

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Apr 24, 2017 14:34:22   #
jeff smith
 
well if pot makes people into nut cases . I should be in the top 50 % of such cases. although I haven't smoked in over 20 years , I did smoke from 70 to 86 ,yep a full 16 years of pot and misc. other drugs plus a lot of alcoholto wash it all down, even 13 journeys into the mind. although I do think pot should be legal. look at the results of beer and whisky have on our society. pot wont make thing any worse. might even make things a bit better. plus how many studies do they need? there has been studies from way back in the 60 s concerning pot. can we all say prohibition?

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Apr 25, 2017 21:10:44   #
patron1
 
The report you reference states that Marijuana helps you sleep. Does that cover SWD (Sleeping While Driving)?
We have too many auto accidents now, with the millennial's texting and cell phone use. The Democrat's, for the sake of taxation just added another cause.

"Legalized Recreational Marijuana," one valid definition of Political Liberalism, for the most part, is the brain child of the tax and spend "Liberal" Democrat's.

Nine entities, eight states and Washington DC, have legalized "Recreational" Marijuana. Seven of those entities are run and controlled by the tax and spend Liberal Democrat legislatures and/or electorates, (voters). Alaska, Calif., Colorado, Maine, Mass., Nevada, Oregon, Washington, and Washington DC.

Although Nevada has a Republican governor, the legislature is controlled by Democrat's with a very large Democrat electorate.

Alaska has a Independent (Democrat leaning) governor and a Dem/Rep split legislature. However, the electorate voted for recreational marijuana via Ballot Measure 2 in 2014.

The other seven entities are definitely controlled by Liberal Democrat's.
Click here:

Here's where you can legally smoke marijuana in 2017 - Business Insider

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Apr 26, 2017 01:31:11   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
QuestGirl wrote:
In my opinion, the "gateway" are the dealers with easy access to all the other drugs too. They are a "store" of assorted variety.


You, my friend, have been watching too much television.

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Apr 26, 2017 01:54:11   #
QuestGirl Loc: Jayhawk Country
 
PaulPisces wrote:
You, my friend, have been watching too much television.


Well now that's odd because I don't watch much TV. At least not until last year, having turned it off in 2011. Right now I don't have a TV, it's in storage, and may keep it that way. It's old and too heavy to lift.

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Apr 28, 2017 16:51:30   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
badbobby wrote:
Paul
you say that marijuana is not addictive.now that seems to me to be an opinion.
do you believe ,or do you disbelieve that the use of marijuana can lead to more dangerous drugs?
I personally have no opinion since I have never used it in any form
although if this arthritis keeps getting worse,I may.

I'd like to thank all the respondents on this subject
no one has cursed or belittled another
and that's the way discussions should be


Pot is in the infintile stage of prohibition and will pass..States that allow it medical or recreational are reaping huge tax benefits and utilizing those funds well..
Here in Colorado they are rebuilding a damn with the revenue not having to hit tax payers to replenish the funds, they are building housing for the homeless whether they smoke or not and they have not seen an increase in their DUI's etc...

I agree with toots that it should be a state decision between citizens and state legislatures...

Alcohol harms more than pot ever could..You can move on to bigger things if you drink just as well as you can with pot smokers...As a matter of fact I know people that drink and smoke pot..Have a beer, light a joint~~who's getting more screwed up in that scenerio??

Holder said he would not go against the states that passed marijuana, Sessions hasn't decided...Given the conflict between state and federal someone better either modify the Federal law or stop the use in all states.. Of course the medical use will be far harder to undo than the recreational...With 27 states approved for medical are they really going to through out all the added revenue they are now getting??? And if Sessions does decided, (which I doubt he will) that he's going to enforce the federal law on recreational watch and see how many people get a note from their Dr that they need it.....

The door is open and it isn't getting closed now..Look at the businesses up and running, look at the states laws already in place...They aren't going back to not having that revenue if nothing else...The governemnt has found another way to reap the benefits of some serious cash flow.....That's all they are interested in anyway....If we kill ourselves off from drugs, all the better, it helps population control~~~
Why do you think they have let Mexico run their drugs, not just pot in here, along with their guns etc????

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