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Jun 18, 2019 13:09:18   #
woodguru wrote:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/17/1865517/-Just-the-facts-PBS-summarizes-the-Mueller-Report-in-30-minutes?utm_campaign=trending

I figured we'd start seeing purely factual and easy to understand break downs of what the report says. This one also covers what it doesn't say, and has attempted to be as fair as possible to Trump in an effort to clarify what wasn't said.

If you can't start watching easy to follow pieces on the literal facts you simply don't care about or want the facts, you are comfortable with rhetoric and misrepresentation. This isn't the kind of thing you can pass off as lies, they are analyzing the written words.

People owe it to themselves and this country to get this stuff straight so we can have dialogs about facts and not lies.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/6/17/1865517... (show quote)

The right lives in a world built around logical fallacies. What good are facts when you can just make them up to support what you believe...
 
Jun 18, 2019 13:06:42   #
Jun 18, 2019 13:05:25   #
bmac32 wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/harrybinswanger/2013/11/04/when-it-comes-to-hate-the-left-beats-the-right-hands-down/#4304fe848558

https://thenationalsentinel.com/2019/02/25/hate-is-the-currency-of-the-left-and-they-spend-it-carelessly/

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/05/the_lefts_love_of_hate.html

I take it these are articles about Republican projection?
Jun 18, 2019 13:02:08   #
son of witless wrote:
The person does not sound like a Conservative to me.


That was their point.
Jun 17, 2019 22:55:36   #
Seth wrote:
No, we have the greatest system of government in history, one that, in less than 250 years has evolved us into the richest, most powerful nation on Earth and one that is also the leader among nations.

We conservatives want to keep it that way.

You portsiders, on the other hand, want to tear it all down and install a system that always has and always will fail, yet you are too naive to learn from others' mistakes, and want to drag those of us who know better down with you.

What you embrace would be change for the worse, not better.

Like everything else, your lot follow bevies of elitist con men (and con women) who sugar coat their agendas with misleading promises and titles, even to labelling a profoundly destructive, regressive agenda "progressive."

So no, we're not backwards thinking, we're just forward looking enough to see the tragedy that lies at the end of the road you lemmings are trying to force us down.
No, we have the greatest system of government in h... (show quote)

What a crock of shit. If it was up to you we would still be in the 18th century and one of the main reasons we are the wealthiest nation in the world is because we borrow money to run a government so that our wealthy aren't "over" taxed. Today we are an oligarchy, not capitalistic, and there hasn't been a major project undertaken by this country that wasn't ordered and financed by our government. It was the government that built our first roads, first canals, the first transcontinental railroad. Our interstate highway system was financed by the government. We wouldn't have been in space if not for the government and the computer would still be in its infancy.

If our country was based on Capitalism none of that would ever have taken place and we would be at least a century behind where we are today. So don't sit there and blow smoke out your ass and think that it has any meaning...it doesn't. You don't know what you are talking about. You know nothing about economics and if you think that any intervention into our economy by government is socialistic then we have been socialist since we were first founded!!!

You people haven't had a forward thought since the day you were born and if not for liberalism this country and its people would be bowing to the queen and not a Sovern to our names...
Jun 17, 2019 14:36:26   #
youngwilliam wrote:
Good, we are not a democracy. We do not vote for issues, we vote for representatives.

Who vote for issues. How many representatives do you vote for who vote counter to how you want them to? Any? Who are you kidding? How is your Representative Republic any different than a direct democracy?
 
Jun 17, 2019 09:22:58   #
bmac32 wrote:
The entire political establishment has been consumed by pearl-clutching outrage over President Trump's comments on electon information from foreign government.

Sen. Mark Warner, D-Va.: "The fact that this president has so little moral compass or understanding of the need to protect our nation that he says he would still welcome information from russia, china, or any other potential adversary if it helps his political campaign is outrageous. “

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y.: “To say that it’s okay for foreign countries to interfere in our elections with motives that are not what’s interest of the American people? Disgraceful, shocking.”

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi: “Yesterday, the president gave us, once again, evidence that he doesn’t know right from wrong. It’s a very sad thing, very sad thing that he does not know right from wrong. I believe that he’s involved in a criminal cover-up.”

Rep. Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y,: “Accepting assistance from a hostile foreign power like russia is treasonous behavior.”

Right. Remember those four: Warner. Pelosi. Schumer. Jeffries.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE FROM STEVE HILTON.

We already know the Democrats are the party that paid for Russian dirt on Donald Trump and tried to cover it up by hiding it as a legal bill. We already know the Democrats approached the Ukrainian government for dirt on Donald Trump. We already know that foreign governments bought influence over our government for hundreds of millions of dollars through the Clinton Foundation when Hillary was Secretary of State.

But there's more. More Democrat hypocrisy. More Democrat corruption. All of it far worse than anything President Trump has even been accused of doing, let alone found guilty of doing.

Never mind foreign governments trying to affect our elections, something which the intelligence agencies, Special Counsel Robert Mueller, and everyone else said never actually happened, despite the attempts. The real scandal is foreign governments affecting our actual laws through foreign government lobbying.

CLICK HERE TO VIEW THE ENTIRE EPISODE.

So let's take a look at those sanctimonious Democrats prattling on about treason.

Chuck Schumer, you took money from lobbyists for the Saudi Arabian and Mexican governments.
Nancy Pelosi, you took money from lobbyists representing shady companies in Ukraine.
Mark Warner and Hakeem Jeffries you took money from lobbyists for China.

We called all four of these Democrat hypocrites to ask if, in addition to taking money, they or their staff have taken any meetings with foreign government lobbyists. None of them would say. Of course not, because we can be sure they did. That's how the Swamp works. You pay the money, you get the meeting.

And now ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the ultimate Democrat hypocrisy. We've seen how Schumer and Pelosi and Warner and Jeffries are in the pockets of Saudi Arabia and Mexico and Ukraine and China. But surely not Russia. Surely after all this fuss, after all these years of hysterical, apoplectic, self-righteous shrieking about Russia, no Democrat would take money from lobbyists for Russia, would they?

CLICK HERE TO GET THE FOX NEWS APP.

Chuck Schumer, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Robert Menendez, Richard Blumenthal, and yes, Mr Treason himself, Hakeem Jeffries, have all taken money from lobbyists for Russia. There is only one worse example of Democrat hypocrisy: Someone who's running around accusing President Trump of being captured by a foreign power, but who himself is compromised not just by any foreign power but by the biggest and most hostile - America's No. 1 enemy, China.

Joe Biden took billions of dollars in bribes from the Chinese government in the form of payments to the Biden family businesses. And in exchange, he was soft on China the last time he was in office. #JoeChina

This fuss over foreign election information is a joke when you compare it to the shocking extent to which foreign governments have bought their way into our corrupt establishment. We don't know what favors were traded with foreign governments by Schumer, Pelosi and all the rest of them. We don't know about any secret meetings they had with lobbyists for hostile powers.
The entire political establishment has been consum... (show quote)

Trump said it was OK so why do you care?
Jun 17, 2019 09:05:08   #
byronglimish wrote:
Drama queen much. Defensive militia! The biggest danger to real Americans freedom is people like you.

Your type, who are the enemies of freedom, should be stopped dead in your tracks!!

You mean to interpret the constitution the way it was intended to be interpreted is a danger to your freedom? Doesn't that tell you right there that you have freedom the constitution never intended???
Jun 17, 2019 09:01:43   #
JoyV wrote:
You wrote; "1) A well-regulated militia--was one that consisted of oversight by local government authorities, the State authorities, and finally National authorities. The purpose of none of these authorities was to overthrow a legally elected government."

What do you base this assertion on? Over and over the founders have defined the militia as the entire body of adult male citizens. No founder's quote I've ever read says anything about the militia needing government oversight.
You wrote; "1) A well-regulated militia--was ... (show quote)

Because the purpose of the Militia was to replace the need for a free standing army. Because of that, they had to be well regulated so that they could be called up when needed.

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As for the phrase "well-regulated"; that was a phrase in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it. So, if something is “well regulated”, it is “regular” (a well regulated clock; regular as clockwork).
As for the phrase "well-regulated"; that... (show quote)

If the context were that of a clock you would have a point. Here the context was with respect to the military. Since the intent was for the Militia to replace our free standing army it is logical that the context would be the same for our free-standing army!

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In the 18th century, a “regular” army meant an army that had standard military equipment. So a “well regulated” army was simply one that was “well equipped” and organized. It does not refer to a professional army. The 17th century folks used the term “standing army” or “regulars” to describe a professional army. Therefore, “a well regulated militia” only means a well equipped militia that was organized and maintained internal discipline. It does not imply the modern meaning of “regulated,” which means controlled or administered by some superior entity.

David Franklin Hammack has written essays on our constitution provided a list of examples. I include them here.

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."
In the 18th century, a “regular” army meant an arm... (show quote)

All of this is a red herring and a logical fallacy. If a Militia was to be a professional fighting force able to protect our nation they had to be as well regulated as our military...
Jun 17, 2019 08:18:23   #
A nationwide Fox News poll released Sunday shows President Donald Trump trailing Senator Bernie Sanders, 49 percent to 40 percent among all registered voters nationwide.

The Fox poll also showed Biden leading Trump by 49 percent to 39 percent. Also beating Trump in the poll were Senators Elizabeth Warren (43%-41%) and Kamala Harris (42%-41%), and Mayor Pete Buttigieg (41%-40%) of South Bend, Indiana.

Also, support for impeachment is up five points among Democrats since June 2018 (69 percent vs. 74 percent now) and up 15 among independents (25 percent to 40 percent today). About 9 in 10 Republicans have consistently opposed impeachment.

The Fox poll was conducted June 9-12, 2019 under the joint direction of Beacon Research (D) and Shaw & Company (R), this Fox News Poll includes interviews with 1,001 randomly chosen registered voters nationwide who spoke with live interviewers on both landlines and cellphones. The poll has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points for all registered voters.

Sanders acknowledged on Sunday that "polls go up and polls go down" but insisted that the survey showed he was the strongest candidate to defeat Trump.

"I think we can win in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan and some of the other battleground states," Sanders said on "Fox News Sunday."

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/06/16/fox-news-poll-bernie-sanders-would-beat-trump-9-points

And this, after Trump fired his own pollsters for showing the same upcoming slaughter...
Jun 17, 2019 06:30:15   #
Rose42 wrote:
Simply put - you’re wrong and simply regurgitating hoplophobe propaganda.

If you’re so cavalier with people’s rights you deserve none of your own.

And how am I wrong? I didn't change a single word of the amendment. Aren't you people Constitutionalists devoted to the EXACT wording of the Constitution? Well, I've done exactly what you claim to stand for and in this case, you will find that that's exactly what the founders were trying to say.

So where in any of that does it say the amendment is to provide a force to overthrow the government? Show me the specific line and word!
 
Jun 17, 2019 02:39:36   #
proud republican wrote:
https://www.thoughtco.com/list-of-obama-scandals-and-controversies-3367635

And how are any of your claims against Obama equivalent to what Trump is accused of?

Putin is out to destroy democracies and Trump is happy to help him do that. There is nothing in your list of phony accusations that come even close the actual crimes Trump is being accused of doing...
Jun 17, 2019 02:37:29   #
EmilyD wrote:
It's still a draft-dodging issue between a Republican and a Democrat.
Just want the playing field to be leveled, Lonewolf. That's all. IMO a draft dodger is less important than someone who claims to be a war hero (Kerry). Or a United States Secretary of State claiming to be under direct fire upon landing on a tarmac and being presented with flowers from a little girl.

A draft dodger literally had someone else fight and potentially die in his place. How is that less of a crime than making claims about your heroism or about being under fire? I really think you have your priorities out of place if you think the latter two are the greater crime...
Jun 17, 2019 02:30:43   #
son of witless wrote:
Liberals are good little Soviet wannabes. They always tow the Democratic Party line. No matter whether reality tells them different. You need to watch Chernobyl. I am sure you would recognize yourself among the hacks who refused to accept that there was a problem. Anyone who told them the truth was viciously attacked. There are heroes in the movie who try desperately to do the right thing against the programmed robotic bosses who were picked for loyalty over competence. Almost like the Obama Administration during the BP Gulf Oil Spill.
Liberals are good little Soviet wannabes. They alw... (show quote)

And today Trump fired his own pollsters because their polls showed him losing across America. What was it you said: "So they were not to trust their lying eyes."

Couldn't have said it better myself...
Jun 17, 2019 01:38:45   #
Ricktloml wrote:
And of course in order to accept this false utopia you have to ignore history. This great societal ideal has resulted in unmitigated failure EVERY single time it's been tried. And part of that failure is imprisonment, torture and death for any who dare to dissent. From the USSR to Communist China, to Cuba, and more recently Venezuela the exact same promises were made, and the same results occurred. Equality? Yes abject misery for 99% of the population, (those that survive the purges,) and ultimate power and control for the liars that promised everything, and delivered worse than nothing.
And of course in order to accept this false utopia... (show quote)
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