12 American astronauts spent an accumulative total of 3 days, 8 hours, 22 minutes and 26 seconds on the surface of the moon, and except for the time they spent in the LEM taking a break, getting some chow, some sleep, organizing and preparing for the next mission phase, they were out on the surface, and they always had cameras with them.
There were cameras mounted on the LEM, so there is hour upon hour of video of the astronauts exploring the moon
much of which is available on YouTube.

And when the Apollo 17 crew got back to earth - the last men to walk on the moon - the Apollo astronauts had brought to earth a total of 842 pounds of rocks, crystals, dust, core samples, and other geological artifacts from the moon.

We have, at least I have, posted dozens of photos of these activities on the moon and of men in space.
I have posted photos of Earth taken from missions all the way back to Gemini, up to Apollo, the shuttle, and ISS.

Now, it's your turn, bubba, show us some photos and videos of the planet you live on,
the one where there is no gravity and the oceans are flat.

Apparently you've already seen the videos or you wouldn't be making stupid comments about them.

The moon has no atmosphere, therefore no air to slow anything down.

Why don't you post some photos, even videos, of the planet you live on?

There are no paved highways or race tracks on the moon, it is a barren, airless, bright and hot landscape of rough ground, rocks, boulders, craters, and dust.

The battery powered "moon buggies" had a top speed of only 8mph.
However, Apollo 17 commander Gene Cernan, driving the rover solo, achieved 11mph on a down hill run.

Neither.

I am saying it is absolutely crucial that we strive aggressively to make America great again, to restore our republic to its Constitutional principles and eliminate the threat of authoritarian rule. My "feeling" is based on the FACT that I swore the oath to protect and defend our Constitution and that authoritarian rule is a very real, tangible, experiential, immediate threat to our beloved nation.

Actually, the gravitational force of the moon is 16% (or 1*6th) of that of the earth.

A 180lb astronaut suited up in the 360lb Lunar EVA suit would weigh 540lbs on earth.
On the moon, he would weigh only 89lbs. Without the suit, he would weigh a mere 29lbs.

Here you can calculate How much you would weigh on the Moon

In overreacting to what you assume is an "obscene comment", you are expressing your FEELINGS.
Do you not see the hypocrisy in such foolishness?

The idea of making America great again, to restore our republic to its Constitutional principles and eliminate the threat of authoritarian rule, is in no way, shape, or form simply "sideshow comments".

When you have no honest response, your only defense is to avoid commenting on substance and instead focus on a post scripted remark that offends your tender sensibilities.

This photo of Apollo 16 Cdr. John Young was taken by LEM pilot Charlie Duke at their landing site in the Descartes Highlands. As you can see, Cdr Young saluted the f**g after a leap off the surface. Pretty cool, huh?

This photo was taken by a deep space probe on its way to Jupiter and beyond. The terminators are clearly shown, the Sun is 90 degrees right.


This photo of earth and moon was taken by the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera aboard the Mars Reconnaisance Orbiter. Distance 88 million miles.

Why Jimmy Carter Owes the Iranian People an Apology

by Lisa Daftari
Jul 18, 2023

Much of the Western world has celebrated the post presidency life of Jimmy Carter.

Whether framing homes for Habitat for Humanity, selectively crusading for human rights, or teaching Sunday school in Plains, Ga., Carter has tried for four decades to overcome the bitter setbacks that culminated in the disappointment of his one-term presidency.

Now 98, the former president announced in February that he would enter end-of-life care at home without seeking additional medical intervention. He's reportedly in good spirits, eating ice cream and visiting with friends.

It seems an enviable end to a long life. Still, there's one thing the 39th president needs to do to rectify his legacy from his time in office.

Carter owes the people of Iran an apology.

Carter's critics always point to his handling of the Iran hostage crisis as the most glaring flaw in his time in office. During the course of that 444-day nightmare, a student mob held 52 U.S. diplomats and civilians hostage, and no amount of negotiation—or attempted military action—could get them released. Thankfully, that sad chapter finally ended on Jan. 20, 1980, the day President Ronald Reagan took the oath of office at the U.S. Capitol.

But Carter's true t***sgression—the original sin that has complicated and shaped U.S. policy in the Middle East ever since—preceded that. Carter's gravest mistake was his disastrous undermining and lack of support for the legitimate ruler of Iran, Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who was waging a valiant battle against leukemia as the revolution unfolded in his country.

To be fair, Carter had plenty of assistance in his geopolitical blunder. His State Department seemed to effectively encourage the growing protests against the shah's reign, which came to a head when Sec. of State Cyrus Vance announced that the shah would leave on "vacation" for an indefinite period. But the final responsibility lies with Carter, who saw fundamentalist sharks circling an ailing shah and helped engineer the rise of his disastrous successor by putting his trust in the exiled, soon-to-be leader of the Islamic Republic, Khomeini, and throwing the shah, a decades-long U.S. ally, under the bus.

When the administration announced Carter would meet with European heads of state in January 1979, the shah rightly understood that his departure from power was main item on the agenda. Eleven days later, out of options, he fled his own country. At that point, the fundamentalist takeover was all but inevitable.

Of course, now we know the rest of the story. In 2016, the BBC obtained documents detailing how the "Carter administration paved the way" for Khomeini's return to Iran from exile. Carter administration officials familiar with the BBC report have not challenged its authenticity. Supporting the toppling of shah was an historic blunder, one with reverberations that are still felt throughout Iran and the rest of the Middle East to this day.

By indulging the impulse to remove the shah and putting his confidence behind an outspoken cleric over a proven friend of the U.S., Carter consigned Iran to a brutal, fundamentalist, oppressive regime that has systematically annihilated the Persian culture, its economy, and the human dignity of its people ever since.

(And today, that brutal fundamentalist has ramped up Iran's goal of exterminating the Jews and wiping Israel off the map.)

For more than four decades, the Iranian people have attempted to tell their story to the world. It is the story of a proud civilization, successor to the great Persian Empire, that fell prey to America's partisan political machine and as a result, has fallen backward in time.

Ironically, Carter blamed the shah of Iran for not meeting the progressive standards of the West. So, instead, he threw the Iranian people into the clutches of those who execute children, rape women, and throw innocent dancers, journalists, and bloggers behind bars merely for self-expression and free speech.

Where my mother received multiple academic scholarships to attend university in the 1970s, women are now considered to have half the value of a man in Iran's Sharia courts.

Flash forward to today, and the shameful harvest of Carter's abject failure to support the shah is more evident than ever before. As has been widely reported, Iran's brutal morality police arrested 22-year-old Mahsa Amini in September for the crime of not wearing her hijab in the approved manner. Despite a police coverup that claimed she died of a heart attack, eyewitnesses reported she'd been bludgeoned and battered. Her murder triggered a wave of #WomanLifeFreedom protests that continue to this day, eclipsing the protests of 2009, 2017, and 2019. Human rights groups report at least 522 protesters have been k**led, including at least 70 minors. This time around, the Iranian people are united in their endeavor, which is regime change.

Like myself, many of the protesters were born after the Revolution and never lived under the shah's reign. Now, in the colorful and often rhyming political slogans shouted out on the streets, Iranians are fondly remembering the shah and even his father, chanting "Reza Shah, bless your soul." They're also asking the son of the shah, exiled Prince Reza Pahlavi, who currently lives outside Washington, D.C., to return to Iran as their potential leader.

More than two-thirds of Iran's 80-plus million people are under the age of 40. For these Iranians, as for myself, there is a second-generation nostalgia for the Iran they have learned about through their parents' stories. They know it wasn't perfect, but compared to life under the current regime, it was utopia.

With no end in sight for the malignant fundamentalist regime in Tehran, it is indeed the case that Iran and the world are owed a profound, heartfelt apology.

It should come from Jimmy Carter.

Lisa Daftari is director and founding editor of TheForeignDesk.com, an online platform offering news and analysis on stories around the globe. Fluent in Persian, Spanish, and English, her parents left Iran to flee fundamentalist persecution.

I was in the navy, ships do actually disappear over the horizon.
If you are on the deck 50 feet above the water, the horizon is 8.65 miles distant.
In the navy, I was an aircrewman, at 30,000 feet above the sea, ships still disappear over the horizon.
At that altitude the horizon is 212 miles distant.

For example, I was a radar operator on a navy patrol plane and, depending on circumstances, we flew our search missions anywhere between 500ft and 30,000ft. Since radar is a line-of-sight t***smission, from 30,000 feet a surface target "blip" would disappear from the scope at 212 miles. Pretty simple concept to understand.


Mean sea level (MSL) is an average surface level of one or more among Earth's coastal bodies of water from which heights such as elevation may be measured. The global MSL is a type of vertical datum – a standardised geodetic datum – that is used, for example, as a chart datum in cartography and marine navigation, or, in aviation, as the standard sea level at which atmospheric pressure is measured to calibrate altitude and, consequently, aircraft flight levels. A common and relatively straightforward mean sea-level standard is instead a long-term average of tide gauge readings at a particular reference location.

In a nutshell, when speaking of sea levels, the word "level" does not mean flat.
Sea level, or the level of the sea, depends entirely on the volume of water in the sea,
i.e., the more water, the higher the sea level, and conversely, the less water, the lower the level of the sea.

It's not my "ball spinning earth", but I do live on it.
I would like to know exactly where the bottom of it is.
I am quite familiar with planet earth, its shape, size, mass, and stuff,
but I never knew it had a bottom, no one until you came along ever mentioned earth had a top, left and right side, and a bottom.

If you stand at either the north or south pole and look down, you see ice and snow, and if you look up you see sky;
if you look straight out you see the horizon about 3 miles away.
On the moon, the horizon would be just a mile and a half away. Weird, huh?

Why? What's the point?

BTW, where's the bottom of the earth?

I FEEL it is absolutely crucial that we strive aggressively to make America great again, to restore our republic to its Constitutional principles and eliminate the threat of authoritarian rule. My "feeling" is based on the FACT that I swore the oath to protect and defend our Constitution and that authoritarian rule is a very real, tangible, experiential, immediate threat to our beloved nation.

FJB!