One Political PlazaSM - Home of politics
Posts for: Liberty Tree
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... 526 next>>
Jan 18, 2019 08:17:22   #
ACP45 wrote:
Having just read an article entitled "Run Down The Brexit Clock", let's take a look at what each have in common.

First, Brexit:
"Leaving the European Union is painful by design. The process any member state must follow to exit the EU is governed by Article 50 of the bloc’s Lisbon Treaty, which, ironically, was authored by a British diplomat keen to deter exits from the EU. That is why Article 50 sets a two-year negotiation period ending with an ominous deadline: If negotiations have not produced a divorce agreement within the prescribed period – March 29, 2019, in Britain’s case – the member state suddenly finds itself outside the EU, facing disproportionate hardships overnight.

This rule undermines meaningful negotiations. Negotiators focus on the end date and conclude that the other side has no incentive to reveal its hand before then. Whether the allotted negotiation period is two months, two years, or two decades, the result is the same: the stronger side (the European Commission in Brussels in this case) has an incentive to run down the clock and make no significant compromises before the eleventh hour.

Moreover, this realization affects the behavior of other key players: Tory government ministers opposed to their prime minister, the leader of the Labour opposition, Jeremy Corbyn, members of Labour’s front bench who are opposed to Corbyn, and the German and French governments. Every significant political actor in this game has an incentive to sit back and let the clock tick down to the bitter end.

With fewer than three months left, the prospect of Britain falling out of the EU without a deal is, understandably, terrifying. A natural response is to call for an extension of Article 50, to reset the clock and give negotiations more time. That instinct must be resisted.

Any resetting of the clock would simply extend the paralysis, not speed up convergence toward a good agreement. Giving May another three months, or even three years, would do nothing to create incentives to reveal hidden preferences or to drop fictitious red lines."

Now, let's look at the US Government shutdown:

You have two opposing positions, the establishment Democrats and the populist Trump (Note I did not say Republicans because many in his own party are lukewarm supporters). Perhaps the most visible bone of contention is the issue of illegal immigration and Trump's position on the border wall, which was a key Trump campaigning promise as part of his solution to this problem. Pelosi/Schumer are the EU. They've got control of the purse in the House, and feel that they can humble and humiliate the President by denying him any sort of solution to this issue. Their strategy is to insist there really is no problem, and use the media to gin up the public on the hardships being caused by the shutdown to force Trump's hand to re-open the government.

Yes, there is pain involved by many in our country: from airport travelers, to tourists visiting National Parks that are closed down and filled with garbage, to government employees not being paid, etc.

But re-opening the government and expecting the Democrats and Trump to negotiate a compromise is a non-started. Just like the European Union has no incentive to make concessions to Britan leaving the EU, the Democrats have no incentive to concede one inch to Trump. They seek to destroy him, and are betting that pressure to re-open the government from the media, and even those within his own party will force his hand.

Back to Brexit:
"With fewer than three months left, the prospect of Britain falling out of the EU without a deal is, understandably, terrifying. A natural response is to call for an extension of Article 50, to reset the clock and give negotiations more time. That instinct must be resisted.

Any resetting of the clock would simply extend the paralysis, not speed up convergence toward a good agreement. Giving May another three months, or even three years, would do nothing to create incentives to reveal hidden preferences or to drop fictitious red lines.

Indeed, the worst aspect of May’s deal, which Parliament emphatically and wisely rejected, was that it extended the transition process until 2022, with the UK committing to paying around $50 billion, and possibly more, to the EU in exchange for nothing more than unenforceable promises of some future mutually advantageous deal. Had Parliament voted in favor of May’s deal, it would have prolonged the current gridlock to a new cliff edge three years hence."

Bottom line, Trump cannot re-open the government without some resolution on the immigration/border wall. He, and his party must hold together until the pain becomes so great, that the Democrats come to the table and negotiate a solution to the immigration/border situation. If he caves in and re-opens the government without some resolution to this problem, he will loose the support his base, and can expect continued opposition by an energized Democratic opposition on each and every one of his initiatives.

There are many in the liberal community that would be willing to see economic pain, and hardship, and a recession in the American economy if it means a defeat for Trump. That is exactly why America must go thru this excruciating process, and a continued government shutdown.
Having just read an article entitled "Run Dow... (show quote)


Excellent post!!!
 
Jan 18, 2019 08:10:02   #
Idaho wrote:
And Walls are more popular than Rachael Maddow.


More intelligent too
Jan 17, 2019 21:59:21   #
tbutkovich wrote:
Since Nancy Pelosi and Chuckie are unable to lead or follow, they simply need to “Get the hell out of the way!”

We want the border wall. Don’t stand in our way.


The only talent they have is getting in the way and obstructing what is best for America.
Jan 17, 2019 18:30:58   #
proud republican wrote:
President Trump doesnt want Wall alone, but it is part of Security...PART,not the whole thing....You have to listen to Trump with your brain if you have any....


That is asking a lot
Jan 17, 2019 17:42:48   #
Airforceone wrote:
Just an example of comments from the White House clown show. There were many more but I try to keep it simple.


We need to withdraw from NATO which means we close down all our military bases in Europe.

We have decimated ISIS and they no less Niger exist.
4 dead ISIS dead in Syria bombing

I never said the Trump campaign did not collude with Russia. What happened to the Russian investigation was a hoax. Wow that’s great to hear,

Why does this country have a special council just to investigate Paul Manafort. Now that was funny

3 hrs after the killing of 4 of our military personnel in Syria where ISIS took the credit. Mike Pence holds a news conference and says Trump has completely destroyed ISIS.

Federal workers that are furloughed why are they complaining there getting a free vacation.

The banks are helping these furloughed fed employees by giving them loans when they get paid they pay it back. Ha ha that was great but no mention of loan application cost and the 12% interest.

My 5 private meetings with Putin where I destroyed the notes, told the translator not to discuss anything with my administration ( WAS A VERY DUCCESSFUL MEETING)
Just an example of comments from the White House c... (show quote)


I see your handlers are feeding all you libs your talking points for the afternoon. Keep it up and they will throw you another fresh fish.
Jan 17, 2019 17:23:21   #
Lonewolf wrote:
funny you could accuse Clinton and Obama but cant find enough evidence to do anything?

All 17 investigations not including mullers concern republicans right up to the WH


Those who could did not have the backbone to do anything.
 
Jan 17, 2019 17:08:31   #
Lonewolf wrote:
this will make life much easyer for you!


We will give you the hypocrisy card for finding fault with others while having bowed down to crooked Clinton's and Obama.
Jan 17, 2019 06:52:47   #
PeterS wrote:
I figured if you supported the Nazi's in Virginia then you would support a Nazi in Congress.


You support Jew haters in Congress.
Jan 16, 2019 19:39:27   #
proud republican wrote:
It is nightmarish ,isnt????
It is nightmarish ,isnt???? img src="https://stat... (show quote)


Really weird
Jan 16, 2019 16:48:13   #
Jan 16, 2019 16:01:09   #
woodguru wrote:
Did you forget the link?



He is the missing link.
 
Jan 16, 2019 15:54:41   #
woodguru wrote:
Good drugs you have there dude, dems keep passing bills to get people paid, McConnell refuses to pass them.


Democrats pass phony bills they know GOP will not accept. They have no intent to negotiate in good faith.
Jan 16, 2019 11:27:57   #
eagleye13 wrote:
Trump HAPPY As Dems DESPERATE To Reopen Government Just Got Stopped DEAD In Their Tracks

https://youtu.be/KBpQo-aVdYg

Democrats must allow the barrier to be built first. fund it!

The Dems ask to open the government first, BUT in the past, they NEVER allowed funding for the wall in decades.
Who can trust liars?


Once the partial shutdown ended the Democrats would never negotiate in good faith. They have already made it clear they want no wall.
Jan 16, 2019 09:12:11   #
Capt-jack wrote:
“There you go again,” Ronald Reagan famously joked in 1980 when President Jimmy Carter painted an inaccurate picture of one of his policies. Perhaps he’d say the same of those who are distorting the history of the Electoral College today.

New York’s newest congresswoman, Democrat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, has been quick to jump onto this bandwagon, recently labeling the Electoral College a “shadow of slavery’s power on America.” Others have called it a “living symbol of America’s original sin,” an “antiquated relic of slavery,” or even a “pro-slavery compromise.”

Mere hours into the new Congress, a bill was introduced to eliminate this “outdated” system. If it is out dated then the whole Construction is also. Remember this Document has kept you and America free for 240 years.

Such a view of the Electoral College’s roots threatens to become conventional wisdom, but nothing could be further from the truth.

Consider Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is a product of our Government run schools system. We have thousands of them in America now who would give up freedom for free shit/socialism.


https://www.dailysignal.com/2019/01/11/no-the-electoral-college-is-not-a-shadow-of-slaverys-power/
“There you go again,” Ronald Reagan famously joked... (show quote)


Liberals hate the Constitution. That is why they want it to be a "living document". That way they can shop around for liberal activist judges to "interpret" it to fit their agenda of the moment.
Jan 16, 2019 08:35:58   #
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Now you went and peed in his cornflakes again.


If they were served to him by Rachel Madcow he would still eat them.
Page: 1 2 3 4 5 6 ... 526 next>>
OnePoliticalPlaza.com - Forum
Copyright 2012-2019 IDF International Technologies, Inc.