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Oct 19, 2015 15:54:44   #
moldyoldy wrote:
Another case of GOP f**ed freak out. There is no crime, except the bengazi pretend investigation.


As I sugested you need to do some reading from other sources on the other side of your issues. In fact, the Declaration of Independence list many of the issues we are having today as the reasons the colonies were breaking away from Britain. You can't know too much and wisdom will give you a solid plataform from which you can expouse your views and possibly back them up.
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Oct 19, 2015 15:00:28   #
moldyoldy wrote:
Do you think that you should have the right to tell a woman what she can do with her body, or tell a person who to love. The gov. regulations meant to protect us have been eroded by the GOP leading to financial ruin for many, less food inspectors to protect our health. GMO foods for us, that the rest of the world rejects. We get knee jerk reactions from the right just because.


Talk about knee jerk reaction, the left is foaming at the mouth trying to protect Hillary "the lying b***h" from going to prison for violating the security laws.
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Oct 19, 2015 14:54:13   #
moldyoldy wrote:
Sanger had to comply with the beliefs being espoused at the time. Sanger did not have to comply with anything other than her beliefs and she tended to be a radical l*****t as far as I can tell. As for political parties, conservatives have a hadr right agenda driven by hatred, intolerance, fundamentalism,and ignorance. You are not necessarily correct there, I am a Constitutional conservative and my beliefs have nothing to do with anything but what God and and Constitution dictate. Out forefathers set up a pretty good system of government which if followed pretty much gives everyone life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, it however does not guarantee the out come. Early on Socialist and later Marxist/democrats and now even some Rino republicans have been eroding our Constitution pretty much every since it was adopted. However it was 20th century presidents starting with Wilson, FDR, LBJ, Carter, Clinton, and now Obama in the 21 century who have eroded it the most. And there have been left leaning republican presidents mixed in also. You need to do some reading on what socialism, Marxism, C*******m, progressivism has done for those it was supposed to help or save. I would suggest you start with The Law by Frederic Bastiat, you may find that interesting. Studying further you will find that many of the worlds great philosophers wrote about the evils of socialism centuries ago.Though some belong in one of these camps and not the other, they v**e the same even when it hurts them. As a liberal I do not want to control your life. All Marxist social liberals want to control our lives, your type doesn't care how many bodies it takes to achieve your goals. It's all about power. You can believe as you like, but give others the same rights to live free and unmolested, with equal access. By the way that blob, or fetus takes a few months to become anything. If that "blob" eventually becomes a baby then as soon and the egg and the sperm come together to make that "blob" then the life of a new human has been created whether you like it or not. K*****g it is murder!!!
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Oct 19, 2015 12:44:36   #
moldyoldy wrote:
I read that BS before, nothing new, just your misinformed interpretation of the facts.


Almost all other sites cited are far extreme l*****t sites that quote the same source and cannot be trusted. At least this site gave both sides of the issue even though it leaned to the right somewhat.

The thing I don't understand, especially if you are who is pictured as your avatar, is why would you support and defend an organization whose founder wanted to eliminate your race in this country? That is well documented. See links:

http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html

http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm

http://margaretsanger.blogspot.com/

http://www.nationalblackprolifeunion.com/Margaret-Sanger-and-The-Negro-Project.html

http://liveaction.org/research/margaret-sanger-quotes-history-and-biography

That should be enough for you.

Me, I see the issue as k*****g a fetus is the same as k*****g a baby and k*****g a baby is murder plain and simple. Why would you defend such actions. I can see allowing some exceptions for a******n, but only in the cases of rape, incest, or mother welfare.

Tell me and you can do it by private message if you chose, what has the Marxist/democrat party done for your race besides use it for v**es to get political power?

Me personally, I want all people of all races to do well in our country because then everyone does well except those who chose not to and we'll always have some of them. That said, neither of us has an obligation to help anyone except those who have not way of helping themselves due to injuries or disease.
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Oct 18, 2015 23:39:25   #
moldyoldy wrote:
I went back 6 pages and did not see anything from you. I expect that you are talking about the fees for handling of fetal tissue used in research. Calling that selling body parts.


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Oct 18, 2015 22:25:11   #
moldyoldy wrote:
They did nothing wrong but they have to bow down to i***ts who want their pound of flesh even if there is no guilt.
Hey moldy dip s**t! I twice sent you a most fair article which stated and admitted the tape were presented put together not perhaps exactly in the same order they were filmed, but what was said about selling body parts was not altered or changed, that was PP's representatives words verbatim ( not altered). Also the firm hired to audit the tapes may have done a proper job, but they were not independent from pp who was footing the bill. They were a left leaning rent an expert company. Go back a few pages and find my article and actually read it with an open mind and you mind be wondering who's really bull s**tting you. Evidentially you lean so far left you are going insane.
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Oct 14, 2015 22:06:18   #
glen10 wrote:
Yankee clipper I am not confused at all. I fact check things that sound out of place. I never really believed the Black helicopter conspiracy but I needed to be sure as to what was gong on . I used that Black Helicopter analogy to bring attention to the Prison railroad car conspiracy. There are no death camps and there are no manufacture of prison railroad cars. I used my cousins comments because the company he worked for had been mentioned in the prison railroad conspiracy. There are hundreds or even 1000's of conspiracy's out there and all can be fact checked and disproven. It just takes a little work in research and not look for other conspirator's that agree with you. after awhile you start seeing things that are not there. You mentioned seeing Prison railroad cars someone described to you when they were describing 3 level new car t***sport railroad cars etc. It's true I mentioned seeing what I believed to be prison cars and I believe the bars in the very small windows were a giveaway, but I will deffer to you and your fools errand. It is hard to argue with Marxist fools who think they own all the substantial facts of all arguments. I do blieve you are correct boxcars, cattle cars and container boxes would be more efficient for mass movement of people, but possibly small to moderate amounts of people could be more efficiently moved in prison cars, who knows.
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Oct 14, 2015 21:50:00   #
glen10 wrote:
Yankee
I saw pictures of the railroad cars in question and they are the same thing we see every day, 3 layer auto t***sport rail cars carry new cars. Someone investigating this myth wrote the following.
To conclude, I cannot confirm that there’s a George Bullcalf in Montana or anywhere in the United States. Most egregious is the fact that the Col. Jim Ammerman referenced by Anna Janek had died 17 months before she wrote and published her article in which she quotes him. There is no Gunderson Steel Fabrication. Furthermore, the company name “Gunderson” hasn’t been used for at least 18 years, not since 1994. Tell me why do you babble on and on incoherently, can you put together an inherent complete sentence?
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But Janek did not produce photographic evidence of the shackles and guillotines inside the alleged prisoner boxcars. That evidence would certainly be useful. I would like to see that evidence myself, never heard of guillotines put in railroad cars, you mind must be working overtime.
For us to believe — and spread — Janek’s sensational claims would play right into our political opponents’ cartoon depiction of conservatives as looney-tune nutcases. Don’t fall for it! You babble on like you have swallowed the whole line, hook, line and sinker, the bobber gave you away!
One blogger wrote, As a railroader, I wonder how stuff like this even gets started. There are so many problems with claiming auto-racks are prisoner cars, it is absolutely crazy. FYI a very good year would be 50,000 rail cars built. So they are claiming a FEMA order of over twice the annual production for all car types built in Canada, US, & Mexico including flats, wells, tanks, hoppers, gons, etc. This would create massive shortages of wheels, sideframes, couplers and other railcar parts. Not to mention there just isn’t enough assembly capacity for that many cars. Since the per diem bust in the early 80s a lot of car builder capacity has been lost. And that is just one problem with their story. And you believe this "blogger" is the definitive expert, do you have proof of his credentials? No, I thought so. You have the knowledge and proof of a fool who carries water for his more important caretakers, the Marxist/democrats. It is a fool's errand and you are the fool.
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Oct 13, 2015 00:04:16   #
glen10 wrote:
Yankee clipper

Is this the up to date conspiracy where as in the 90s? It was the unmarked black helicopters flying around the US? I guess you didn't actually read what I wrote. I said nothing about black helicopters, sounds like you know more about them than the rest of us.
When I was younger I used to get all up in arms about this kind of stuff, until I realized it was just that, stuff. People out of power use alarmist methods to try and make us think the bogeyman is coming. Both sides do it when the other side has power. If 1/2 of what the liberals told us about Bush taking away our freedoms had happened, Obama would never have been elected. Perhaps you by your own confession are admitting to being confused by happenings in the country and world.
Scare me with real possibilities, like my SS check not showing up, then I will get concerned. That's coming as a courtesy of the U.S. Government, (Marxist/democrats and Rino Republicans) spending us into oblivion.
The prison car conspiracy gave me a good laugh. But it is sad to see such balderdash on Portland indymedia.
This nonsense appeared a while ago saying the same thing. I sent my cousin a copy of your post plus a couple more I come up with, he worked at Gunderson Inc for many years, so let's get a few facts straight. Why should I care where your cousin worked, nothing I said concerns him. You get your muddled facts straight, I am pretty damn sure what I saw as per my comment and I don't really care how you perceive it. What I saw were prison cars of some type and my only real comment was why do they exist and is there a possibility they are in some way connected to the FEMA camps. I don't know that answer, but I bet you do.
One he said we haven't built boxcars for a few years now in Portland. They are made down in Mexico; we only build container cars these days.
The 'shackles' are dimples which are with a small piece of metal going across which is used for tying goods down.
Think about it, why would you bother putting prisoners in shackles anyway. The N**is in
Germany just herded people onto a box car at the point of a gun, and then shut the door. It's hard to cut through steel with your finger nails.
And they could just use the containers if they wanted to t***sport prisoners, like they have used in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And who the hell is Brent Gunderson? Gunderson has been owned by Greenbrier since around 1985. There is no 'Brent' or any other Gunderson on the board at Greenbrier.
And 'three tier' boxcars? What on earth is this person going on about?
I can only imagine this person is talking about the automax which t***sports cars.
The funniest thing is a 'guillotine.' What kind of a guillotine are we talking about? And just what are they going to use this for? If they are going to execute people why go to all this bother?
20,000 Chinese boxcars/containers? Very probable they are stacked up because when goods are imported in them, it is cheaper to scrap the containers than send them back empty.
AH, that's it! We are all going to be shipped off to China in these containers. Well at least George Bush doesn't live there.
Come on folks lets get serious about things, enough of these stupid posts. He said we have a battle to win. The one at Gunderson isn't shackled boxcars, but wages, jobs, pensions, vacation, etc. The rest of what you wrote is just mindless blather from a sick mind. None of that was mentioned in my comments. You need help, I surely hope you own no firearms for your safety and the safety of others. You are not even worth ridicule.
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Oct 12, 2015 22:19:38   #
glen10 wrote:
Fema camps aren't a myth but they aren't what you are implying. They are mostly set up in old army camp and stocked with food in strategic areas in case of national emergencies.
waiting until something happens would be a nightmare to get shelter up and running during an emergency. The conspiracy is part of many right wing conspiracies to cause fear for some perverted reason by the right.
I don't know that FEMA camps are as innocuous as you suggest and then again, maybe they have been made part of a vast right wing conspiracy for political gain. But, I will tell you several years ago while driving an 18 wheeler caught at a RR crossing in Tupelo, MS I saw maybe 6-8 railroad prison cars go by in the middle of the freight cars. Now what do we need prison rail cars for? They were completely unmarked and appeared to be 3 levels tall. So I says to myself maybe there is something going on I need to know about and maybe some of these conspiracy theories are not all BS as we are being told. It's getting hard to believe my lying eyes and what my government is telling me, and of course the FEMA conspiracies, all this stuff tends to run together in a slurry that confuses one somewhat.
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Oct 11, 2015 01:32:00   #
This is as honest of a response that I can find and I think it sums up the issue and stays explains what is really true about the videos of PP.


http://www.floppingaces.net/most-wanted/no-the-planned-parenthood-videos-have-not-been-deceptively-edited/comment-page-1/

No, The Planned Parenthood Videos Have Not Been ‘Deceptively Edited’

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Matt Walsh:

Good news, a******n fans! Turns out the hours and hours and hours of footage showing Planned Parenthood officials discussing the sale of baby limbs and organs can officially be discounted and dismissed. According to a report sent to Congress yesterday, the videos are “heavily edited” and “inaccurate.”

Whew! Finally, we can revert back to completely ignoring the continued holocaust of helpless, innocent children. What a relief! All this selling dead baby stuff was really giving my conscience a workout. I guess I can return it to the shelf and get back to the business of displaying utter disdain and disregard for basic human decency.

Or maybe not.

Despite the claim, reported as fact, that the videos are “totally manipulated” and “altered,” making them essentially worthless as evidence, the t***h remains exactly the same. Planned Parenthood sells dead baby parts. This is a fact, and it has not been even remotely debunked.

Someone should inform the media about this, by the way. They demonstrated no interest in Planned Parenthood’s trafficking of dead baby parts up until now, but since an analysis has supposedly “disproved” the claim, suddenly the whole issue seems relevant to them. The Center For Medical Progress has been releasing footage for two months, but it wasn’t front page news until a report declared it “deceptive.” The media acknowledged the revelations for long enough to categorically dismiss them. Now, we’re supposed to just move on.

Unfortunately for the a******n industry and its disciples in mass media, I actually took the radical step of reading the entire report myself. I encourage you to check it out. Americans should probably learn to investigate information for themselves rather than relying on the Huffington Post and CNN to give them the cliff notes.

On that front, my own independent analysis of the independent analysis came to vastly difference conclusions.

Here are my findings:

1. No matter what — even if the videos used computer animation and special effects and the Planned Parenthood officials were actually Tom Cruise wearing realistic masks like in “Mission Impossible” — we still know that Planned Parenthood k**ls over 300,000 human beings a year. That’s established. Nobody denies it. The defunding of Planned Parenthood should still proceed, even if this all turns out to be an elaborate and morbid Broadway production, because no civilized country should fund the murder of human beings. Period.

Now, stop and think about this for a second: a******n enthusiasts are tripping over themselves to paint these videos as “false,” because they can’t bring themselves to accept that their beloved Planned Parenthood would sell human limbs and organs. Yet, these same brainwashed sycophants eagerly accept, and in fact applaud, the fact that Planned Parenthood k**ls children to begin with. This is like defending Jeffrey Dahmer by passionately insisting that the reports of cannibalism were falsified. Even if they were, he still, uh, like, murdered 17 people, didn’t he? Cannibalism would make his crimes more dramatic, I suppose, but either way, he’s a damned serial k**ler. So is Planned Parenthood.

2. I want everyone reading this right now to please remember one thing for as long as you live: Planned Parenthood can never be trusted. Ever. Under any circumstance. They are liars to their core. Filthy, murderous liars. They lie about everything. Of course they do. Again, they k**l human beings, what do you expect? Planned Parenthood lies when it says “3 percent of its business is a******n.” It lies when it says it does mammograms. It lies to women. It lies to everyone. It lies all the time, in every situation. When raped teenage girls come in for a******ns, it lies by not reporting the abuse to authorities. It keeps women in the dark. It lives in the dark. It thrives on lies. And lies. And lies. And lies.

This is a relevant point because the “independent analysts” who inspected the videos were hired by Planned Parenthood. They were not, in fact, independent at all. They were working for, and being paid by, the very organization being investigated. On top of it all, the report comes to us courtesy of a company called Fusion GPS, which is a deeply partisan opposition research firm tied to the Democrat Party.

Surely, none of us are stupid enough to think there was every any chance Planned Parenthood would hire liberal partisan “analysts” who’d potentially come back and say, “Yep, Planned Parenthood broke the law!” The outcome was predetermined. This report, which is now being disseminated as gospel by an ethically bankrupt media, is the result of Planned Parenthood investigating itself. Surprise! Planned Parenthood says Planned Parenthood is entirely innocent of wrongdoing (except for murdering the equivalent of the population of Delaware every year — that part is true, but never mind). Is that really supposed to settle the issue?

3. As for the report itself, like I said, read it. Please read it. Lord, it’s laughable. I really want you to read it so you understand just how thoroughly, profoundly, irreparably dishonest the a******n industry is about everything, and how beholden our nation’s “reporters” are to it. Then again, maybe these water-carrying media members are just angling to the be the latest recipients of the trophies Planned Parenthood hands out to the most cooperative and obedient journalists.

Here’s the deal: not only does Planned Parenthood’s report fail to disprove CPM’s findings, it actually verifies them. In the first couple of paragraphs, the report admits, and I quote, “this analysis did not reveal widespread evidence of substantive video manipulation.” Alright. So there you go. The end, folks. Why are we still talking about this?

It says it did find “cuts and skips” but qualifies that “many of the edits likely removed irrelevant content.” Well, obviously. This was a months-long undercover investigation compiling thousands of hours of tape. Would it make any sense for them to put out a YouTube video with 180,000 minutes of uncut footage? I don’t even think YouTube allows videos that long, and in any case, nobody would watch it. It’s hard to get anyone to sit still for something more than 30 seconds long. A minute is pushing it. Two minutes might as well be the director’s cut of “Gone With The Wind.”

As it happens, they did release extended versions of each condensed video, which means they went vastly above and beyond what most undercover journalists would do. Naturally, no matter what, there are going to be substantial gaps of time where nobody is saying anything and nothing is happening. They took that out, just as anyone making any video for any reason would. Why are we pretending this is somehow suspicious? Is this the first time we’ve encountered the concept of “making a video”? Almost every video you see anywhere on the internet or TV is edited. Only now, because Planned Parenthood is being called to task, do we feign shock at the fact. “Wait, there’s a four minute gap where someone leaves to go to the bathroom? WHY DIDN’T YOU INCLUDE THAT PART? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE?”

The point is, the whole “the videos were edited!” thing is incredibly disingenuous, and this report only underscores that point. They took hours and hours and hours of video and gave us a long and a short edition to inspect. The question is whether the footage they did provide is substantively manipulated. On that score, Planned Parenthood itself admits it wasn’t.

4. The report does detail some “deceptive” edits, however. For instance:

“Fusion GPS consulted with an experienced reality and documentary television producer, Scott Goldie, for an expert opinion of the editing techniques used in the short videos. Mr.Goldie identifies the use of ominous music, replays, color manipulation, “scratch” effects, strategic display of frame counters and timestamps, all chosen to create “gotcha” moments.”

This is what we’re dealing with. Planned Parenthood sent an analysis to Congress which purports to vindicate it because a reality TV producer noticed background music. Yes, and also everyone else noticed it. I’m not sure why they had to d**g in someone from Hollywood to tell us about it, but so be it. There was music at the beginning and end, and replays in the middle to highlight some particularly damning pieces of film. These edits are obvious and absolutely irrelevant. To even include them in the report is at once embarrassing and hilarious.

The report also spends a considerable amount of time contradicting two tiny, immaterial portions of transcript from one of the videos. It states that Fusion GPS didn’t find “any evidence of audio manipulation,” and says again later that it never found anything indicating that audio was “inserted or manipulated,” but it does take issue with CPM’s interpretation of two supposedly “unintelligible” bits of dialogue.

In one of the videos, a Planned Parenthood staff member refers to a murdered unborn child as a “baby,” and in another part, a lab tech looks down at the mangled corpse of a dead baby, laughs, and remarks, “another boy!”

Here is Planned Parenthood’s smoking gun. Out of 10 pages, the analysis spends the most time here, which should tell you something. They can’t defend themselves against the substance of the accusations — that they sell organs and limbs for profit and alter their procedures to preserve specimens — so they dedicate paragraph upon paragraph to refuting the most trivial aspects.

Even there, they can’t disprove anything. Nothing. Nothing is disproved anywhere in the report, even the things that don’t make a difference anyway. Instead, they tell us their forensic analysts and Hollywood producers couldn’t verify that “it’s a baby” and “another boy” were actually said. Maybe they said “hey there lady” and “I want a toy” or “call me maybe” and “I’d like some soy (sauce).” Maybe they said a million other things, or maybe they said precisely what it sounds like they said.

It’s of no consequence.
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Sep 24, 2015 15:20:23   #
Anigav6969 wrote:
You said EBOLA was coming to this country
It's already here and has been. Most likely it came here long before we brought EBOLA patients here for treatment.

Our military and many other militaries around the world cannot resist the chance to weaponize a strain or two of it. Like it or not, it's here.
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Sep 24, 2015 15:12:57   #
PeterS wrote:
An update on insanity? Man, I can hardly wait. And I have to ask. Are you guys going to pop your corks before or after Obummer declares martial law? The real question is how do you answer your own question? Do you stand and pee your pants or do you fight tyranny? Now I don't care which it is, but be honest with your answer. I pray it doesn't even come close to violence. but fear it will. And don't you think Obummers henchmen are smart enough to be tracking each and everyone of you right now? They're watching you too... What are you going to do when you guys start disappearing one by one? 'Hey, anyone see Pray'? 'Hey anyone seen Sici'? One by one you guys will just disappear and we will never know if you went rogue or have been turned into sausage for Obummer and the girls... When they start coming for most likely all of us on this site, yea, even you Marxist/democrat bastards, will all will know which side to take. But I think the Marxist/democrat bastards on here will be really surprised when their leaders order them to reeducation facilities where they too will disappear along with many others.
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Sep 24, 2015 15:12:57   #
PeterS wrote:
An update on insanity? Man, I can hardly wait. And I have to ask. Are you guys going to pop your corks before or after Obummer declares martial law? The real question is how do you answer your own question? Do you stand and pee your pants or do you fight tyranny? Now I don't care which it is, but be honest with your answer. I pray it doesn't even come close to violence. but fear it will. And don't you think Obummers henchmen are smart enough to be tracking each and everyone of you right now? They're watching you too... What are you going to do when you guys start disappearing one by one? 'Hey, anyone see Pray'? 'Hey anyone seen Sici'? One by one you guys will just disappear and we will never know if you went rogue or have been turned into sausage for Obummer and the girls... When they start coming for most likely all of us on this site, yea, even you Marxist/democrat bastards, will all will know which side to take. But I think the Marxist/democrat bastards on here will be really surprised when their leaders order them to reeducation facilities where they too will disappear along with many others.
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Sep 24, 2015 14:58:54   #
Kevyn wrote:
There is a small army of keyboard commandos who piss and moan and make noise about revolution and taking back something they never were part of anyway. They are essentially disgrunteled facists. Amongst them are a number who are mentally ill who will act out violently, they are not leaders even amongst the confederacy of dunces who are fellow travelers so they act alone stirred up and egged on by the loud mouthed ass sitters. If you want to end up in handcuffs or a straight jacket with the cops confiscating your precious gun collection keep broadcasting s**t like this. If you keep at it long enough people who matter will take notice and if they start to take you seriously you are done. It is far better for you to remain a joke. They are no more a joke than are pansy assed folks like you. What do you stand for? When will you stand up and fight for our Constitutional Republic? Oh, I know, you're waiting for someone else to do it for you. Now I hope we never get to the point of an i**********n, we already have violence in the streets, because there will be no real winners when it's over. The Bundy ranch confrontation was almost too close to the start of civil war for me. When it starts and I think it quite possibly will, I know which side I will be on, but it will sadden me to see Americans fighting each other in the streets. Eyes, teeth, and hair and bodies everywhere! That should not be what anyone wants to see. Sicilianthing sees it coming and I would not write him off as a kook or anything close. Everyone on this site should be uneasy about our current situation.
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