Regarding comments about 'foster' care for those fifteen 'lil darlins'---heh-heh-heh- check out what foster parents are PAID per child! Putting the kids in the 'system' ain't cheap either. In the great game of 'Who Be The Daddy" here is food for thought and consideration. In addition to sterilization and mandatory birth control of and for the mothers--heh-heh-heh- maybe we should be considering the same for who be 'making' these 'wards of the public'??

Hmmm-so just how much aid IS she actually getting?--I think that would be the first question! Until that little item is known-- all this comment is just r****t blather. Then we can proceed with a discussion--if the posts are to be about 'her' that is. Otherwise--- what is/are the points of up for discussion? Hmmm-like how 'broken'--and what caused it-- is the welfare system might be a 'reasonable' general place to begin?

heh heh-heh-Challenge accepted regarding contributions--I can look at myself in the mirror quite easily and with a clear conscience! And I just love doing this: we are an EXPORTER of oil-we are not dependent on middle east oil anymore-we only get-estimate- 6-8 percent of our oil from 'them' and that is sold on the international market to-golly-- China and those other SE Asian nations. The oil line in question- if 'Keystone Line' is what you refer to is in fact being built--a section of it is being delayed/studied because it threatens a huge water aquifer. All the oil from it will go to a TAX FREE zone for export-it will not have a single-as in 'NADA' effect on America's supply!! As to fracking-the facts are pretty conclusive-(unless you completely buy the oil companies version) -hmmm-don't they have a serious monetary interest in continuing this type drilling? It ain't such a good thing for healthy humans and other living things. And--you probably ain't gonna like this-- but I do not believe Americans should have to BEG for basic survival! So just exactly where is all the 'stuff' that people need gonna come from?-- and that you believe they could get from these charities? 'Hint": check how and what percentage each of these organizations current 'intake'-actually winds up in the hands of the people. Start with one of my favorites--- Goodwill! Hmmmm-- ya think big business is suddenly gonna part with that much 'material or wh**ever'. Uhhh-remember Hurricane Katrina--where did the 'charity' come from for that disaster? Hint:--it wasn't individual largesse or big business (methinks it was good 'ol Uncle Sugar'-at least what there was of it-and that's another whole subject) . Charity is not the answer to poverty!

Hmmm-already did all that you suggest!--and now I suggest you investigate WHY and HOW money is 'borrowed' and from whom-I suggest you study and learn who the real winners and losers are in our 'monetary' system. The words 'macro economics' comes to mind. Using the 'debt' argument is like arguing about how many capitalists can you put on the edge of a dollar?-I made that up--yuk-yuk-yuk. If capitalism is to continue-there must always be 'debt'-that is what makes the wheels of commerce turn-there must always be -'more'- of everything-and the 'end' result-who really knows-so another suggestion read "The Ascent of Money"--we are just about there!.

Wow-really great posts this morning on this particular issue! I am new to this type of communication (what's the use of having an opinion unless you can share it) but participate because the forum gives a really varied cross section of opinion, and helps to identify who and what is causing the 'seeds of discontent' to foul our nation. Now for some more 'red meat'! Ted Cruz is clearly (in my opinion) a McCarthyish clone, and to not recognize him as dangerous to our nation-foolhardy.! I believe he was chosen to go to our capital and 'foul the nest'-while the puppet masters who put him there pull the strings behind the scenes--as in big money-and f*****t corporate America. Their message and style is so like the Gerald K. Smiths and Father Coughlins, Ku Klux Klan and Henry Fords and his N**i buddies of the past- it is truly terrifying. But this time their h**e and real intent is a little less overt, couched as it is in jargon and buzz words. But make no mistake the plan is the same-find some one to blame-(our twice elected President and his 'failed' liberal, progressive ideas and all who may agree))-divert and direct attention through lies ,h**e mongering and out and out misrepresentation)about 'them' or 'it'. All those- to use their language- dirty, 'c****e' 'socialist', 'anti-Christian', liberal, progressive philosophies and governments are the targets. And- oh yea-control the media-FOX anyone? I think/believe the Tea Party and their true purpose and plan fits that 'movement' very close. So just what is their plan?--well- how does world domination sound?--how about a planet run by predatory capitalism -how does perpetual war for profit and power sound?--pretty fantastic sounding to be sure! But there is evidence to back my fears. The 'New World Order'-and the current 'international trade' plan being pushed by 600 (yup that is SIX HUNDRED) corporations comes to mind-WWII comes to mind-could WWII have been fought to save 'horrors-capitalism in Europe--and not just to save the world from Hitler--hoo boy--how about Vietnam and Iraq--why were those wars really 'fought'? 'They' wave the f**g and yell for our sons to go 'over top and k**l em'! Shouting 'your freedom is stake'-'your daughters are being raped'- 'your women ens***ed'-huh--so where are all these bad guys? Hmmm-right in the middle of a whole bunch of oil is where they are. Ahhh-but I wax philosophic--So-I say again--'who loves ya baby'--hint:-it ain't the 1% or the folks who are financing and in control of the Tea Party.

In the words of his 'exaltedness'--King Ronnie R.--'there you go again'! This is for the comment about money being 'pumped' to Wall Street (the world's biggest 'fixed' roulette wheel. What do you think is keeping interest rates down??-heh-heh-heh-! Look to the bankers--and all will become clear.

Jaysus-Jaysus-Jaysus---Deja Vu all over again-like the argument over Obama's birthplace--(which was always really not legally questionable).


ACA or 'Obamacare'--IS NOT FREE!!

And neither are other countries social medical programs-- thought I would throw that in for a little fun with the 'unwashed brain dead masses'!

Huh-talk about incoherent--'Old Geezer' is absolutely typical of how their propaganda 'tripe' is indeed working!In case he didn't or has not noticed--THEY ARE the government--despite what they want the public to believe about who is in charge of things. Additionally, far too many apparently believe and seem to have bought into the lie! Take the time to study America's banking 'debacle'-for want of a better description-and why and how it DOESN'T work (except for a few very-very-very rich--hmmm--so who do you think America's 'debt' is owed to?) For Geezer and folks like him-I implore them to take the time to study what is going on CURRENTLY behind CLOSED doors regarding jobs and America's trade programs--(and especially 'who') is doing the deal. Another hint-you ain't gonna find labor there--as in representatives of the working class. A new international 'trade' agreement (described as NAFTA on steroids) is being negotiated IN SECRET -right now-by your rich -and always 'looking out for your interests'- corporate and politically conservative buddies. All the while they have us 'arguing' about park access or being able to visit a national monument or memorial-even to the point of their shutting down the whole shebang over what some recognize as nothing but a 'red herring'. Egad-they have us fighting over -HEALTH CARE- for the people. Huh--this isn't a bad thing folks-it is life and death to put it as simple as I can! So what is wrong with a government that provides 'stuff' for its citizens like the ACA-there is nothing 'not to like' about it! Howcum we always have money for multiple wars (which I think we can agree is a bad thing?), bombs, bullets, $150,000 Hummers to get blown up by the thousands in the desert, and plenty of drones and systems to spy on Americans. Hmmmm-why and for WHOM? But no money for the poor and needy-'hell no aren't they all just a bunch of deadbeats'-another huh--what about the 'working poor' which makes up a huge part of food stamp recipients? Folks-your h**e is pathetic-your reasoning-faulty-and your information horribly flawed. For all youse guys who don't 'get it'-wise up before it is too late! The 'red meat' is there for all to learn the t***h about! We have met the enemy and it is rich, corporate America and their hired guns-the conservative, Republican politicians of America. More on 'trade'--have you noticed who loves NAFTA-hint: it ain't labor--who h**es NAFTA-hint: it ain't big corporate America. If you liked NAFTA-you're gonna love this new 'deal'--hoo boy does this look, walk, and quack like George Bush's 'New World Order". Result:--kiss your working ass goodbye--this plan is so rotten and destructive to America's working class and future job creation it just cannot be allowed to succeed. It smells all the way to Pluto! And double yup---it is still a class war!

So let me comment here--most of negative posts here complain about a 'government' takeover! Almost all of that commentary also has a r****t component despite what 'you' might think about your comments. If things were really the way some of you write about them we would indeed be in deep doo-doo. However-the Plutocrats/Oligarchy that are/is behind the turmoil in this country haven't yet succeeded in a complete takeover. Who do you think is really in charge of the Tea Party?. We do cast a v**e for 'representatives' to v**e for laws. But that is about as far as it goes for the 'people' having a say! The Republicans and Tea Party portion of Congress of the United States is a pawn of big business. They are controlled by 1% of the population. How often do you hear-this legislation is good for the people-or this law will benefit the working class from the Tea baggers or Flubdublicans?? All I hear from them is what 'it' will do for business and jobs! Huh-they (American banks and business)are sitting on mountains of cash ---so where are the jobs that 'business' is so good at creating? Hint: only jobs being created seem to be government sponsored or paid for by taxes (but that's another whole story). Republicans want to cut everything that so many Americans need (and paid for)-and yet they continue to fund and support wars that are outrageous imperialistic invasions that directly benefit that same Oligarchic few. All the while cutting taxes on themselves and sticking the working class with the nation's bill's. That's money that could be spent on you and I--like for 'dirty c****e entitlements' and dirty 'socialis't social programs-heh-heh-heh-like schools and hospitals and golly--bridges and roads! So my fellow Americans who are the working class: do not buy their propaganda-'they' being the rich and powerful. They are not your buddies and they DO intend to see you working for peanuts and living in a box under the bridge. The/their methodology is right out of the N**i/conservative playbook that is so familiar in history-always blame somebody else for your dirty work (and it seems to be working on too many of you). Then swoop in as saviors-heh-heh-heh-like Atilla the Hun, Ivan the Terrible, Genghis Khan and yup--that little turd Hitler. Liberal and progressive thought and action is NOT bad for the people-period-it is responsible for what we hold so dear in this country. Get yourselves educated about who and what is in your 'best self interests' and stop v****g and supporting 'conservative rich despotic' ideas. You are being 'duped' (as in outright lied to) big time by these snake oil misrepresentations! In fact, liberal and progressive philosophies caused and have been responsible for what we got-what we hold most dear-and why we are 'sorta' free! And oh yea--IT IS A CLASS WAR!

Exactamundo-why did they suddenly 'add' those costs and (services)?. Hmmm-is it because insurance companies realize that there is cheaper 'competition' suddenly out there-or coming soon-and they mean to make money while the sun shines? In the best of worlds-which ain't our (America's) private medical market-you would/should be able to purchase a 'comprehensive' plan that covers you and your family at a reasonable cost. Hint: they (models) do exist and work well in several other countries-and with private companies included and participating in the plans. Pssst-another hint--check the 'final' AFA price after subsidies and income guidelines are applied-whew-gets pretty cheap! No wonder the insurance companies are pulling out all the stops! The insurance companies fear the AFA because it will hit them right in the corporate pocketbook. So try to find out just what their end profit will be--heh-heh-heh-- good luck with that one!! Several times (even 'ol Tricky Dickie' tried) 'socialized' (which the AFA certainly is not) medicine has been proposed in the USA-every time it has been defeated -and for various reasons--but and DUUUUH-just follow the money! There is just no explaining away the reason we have the most expensive health care system on the planet-but which delivers a decidedly inferior product--except GREED. Sometimes 'private' control just isn't the best answer or solution --and I do not believe private profit companies like insurance companies should have the final 'say' (as they now do) about my health care!

OK--reality check--all you folks who say their health insurance premiums are increasing--WHO SENT YOU THE BILL?--HINT-it wasn't the ACA!--It was the PRIVATE company you insure with. Could this be the problem?--Why did they suddenly INCREASE costs? Who are really the bad guys here?--Maybe you need to ask 'them' a simple question?-WHY did you raise my premium?

Ooops--wrongo--the nation's main debt is held by PRIVATE interests--THE FEDERAL RESERVE!!!--the second biggest part of the debt is held by--well who woulda thunk it--'us'-as in US of A pension plans! Contrary to most people's beliefs-the biggest part debt of American debt is in the hands of America's PRIVATE bankers--THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS-which are, as I just wrote,-PRIVATELY held!-not public or foreign interests! Ya-Ya Ya-there is plenty 'there' too! So who has the most to lose if there is a 'default'--hint--we have met the enemy and they are bankers! And bankers do not want a default-they stand to lose very-very big-forget interest rates-forget debt ceiling- those really do not matter. Think instead--why are we PAYING these guys (bazillions) to have them LEND us our OWN money? Uhhhh --why does Washington 'borrow' (as in be lent our own money) in the first place? They-which is us -believe it or not-can/could just print wh**ever they-still us- need and pay the bill. Where do you think the money REALLY comes from? Simplistic --but TRUE.

And as for health care-there is a very simple solution-- because the 'problem' is not the patient or service recipient! We are being overcharged for everything medical. Control costs and the problem goes away. Those dirty, 'ol socialist' c****e, pinko, 'wh**ever',health care systems --like all the other industrialized nations have-do exactly that-they control what providers can CHARGE! And they do not have doctor shortages and the doctors and providers have not FLED those countries and they do not complain about pay and reimbursement rates. They report that the systems are 'fair-- as in 'just'. We need/must do the same-we used to call it 'maximum allowable cost". And don't try to tell me this will cause a shortage of anything-sickness ain't gonna go away. And where will all those 'providers' go--Sierra Leone-Malawi-Bangladesh? Yea- they gonna take their practice/insurance plans/etc. to Zimbabwe-where they will undoubtedly get even richer.! Get serious: they are opposing ADA because they are greedy bastards! Where else they gonna sustain their 'obscene' incomes-hah and double hah! Wise up America: the ACA is just a step in the right direction. If you do not have health care-or you think your current plan is too expensive, then support the ACA by signing up now! Get the facts and you will like it!

Ahhh yes: to Balkanize or not to Balkanize-- that is the question. Yeaaa-let's do it--lets divide ourselves into several separate little (and hostile to each other) countries? Border guards everywhere-little dictators (the guys with the money) with paid storm troopers asking for our 'papers' at the many new borders--egad-has the world gone bonkers? Then we can all fight with each other!-A new version of 'keeping it at home'! Gadzooks-What an absolutely ignorant and STUPID idea !
And--since it is still early--here is an EASY politically oriented question for the folks who would have us divided and conquered!
Why is it that so many people think conservatives and Republicans (again-the guys with the l**t) will spread and share the wealth. Ya think the little guy would have a chance in these new little fiefdoms???-Hint-when did they ever?--ohh that's three questions-sorry.

If you take just a brief and cursory look at the distribution of wealth and how it happened -as who got the bucks and who doesn't-in America-you might think twice before v****g for MORE of 'them' and their policies and certainly any division into smaller and weaker 'countries'. No question that -yup--government spends a lot of money--but Democrats spread it around a lot more and spend it on people. And ohhhh-yeah-it is OUR money. The very programs that so many depend on-as in ENTITLEMENTS (which is a horrible term to use to describe social programs)are/were for the most part Democrat-and more important 'social-ly' inspired! So talk to your neighbor about their r****ded child-see where their help comes from-talk to your retired Dad/Uncle Cousin-where do their pensions come from-and oh yea-that dirty, c****e, socialist, Medicare that EVERY single REPUBLICAN in the Congress v**ed against decades ago--take that away from the working class retired. It is amazing that the same old, tired arguments are being used again in an attempt to 'privatize' so many very successful government (as in SOCIAL) programs. Government IS necessary and it is a GOOD thing when not corrupted! Simply ask yourselves 'who loves ya baby?--well it ain't the Koch Bros and their co-conspirators!
You think you want 'states' to control your destiny-think again-- 'states rights' is just a euphemism for a better way for the bad guys to oppress (as in steal the country while the working class pays for it) us. It's a big country and getting bigger--but growth is good- and essential-to paraphrase some 'bad' guys. There is no such thing as saving (austerity programs) our way out of a depression/recession. Money must be spent and kept in circulation to keep a capitalist or any economic system's wheels turning-there must always be more-of everything-yup-even 'debt'- but that's another whole subject.
And here is the second -ooops fourth--question/thought for the day!
Where does the 'money' REALLY come from--as ALL the money?-Hint-it ain't from the FED and there ain't no such thing as 'private' capital-at least to start!
So more on subject of dividing the nation--take a brief historical look at what was happening at the time of our nation's birth regarding--heh-heh-heh-money-and what it was--and wasn't worth! (and remember-each of these 'new' countries gotta have heh-heh-heh- MONEY systems). Hint-there were a lot of different types of 'money' in the various colonies.

And last--I know lots of advice here and I apologize for being a bit windy-- do yourself a favor and google:
What 10 Things Every American Should Know About the Federal Reserve System!

'There 'you' go again'-to quote 'Ol Ron'--actually, and in fact the ACA is meeting with very favorable results so far. And it is very early in the game-so to speak. The overwhelming response is so much greater than expected there are delays. So?-the result for you if you are just a little patient-- will be health care a whole bunch cheaper than those 'benevolent' insurance companies are providing--or should I say 'denying'. Here is a question: howcum my Medicare costs me not quite $100 dollars-that is for eighty percent of the coverage --but the remaining 20 % costs me $175 dollars. Hint-a whole lotta profit being made by someone. And I will not even need it (the ACA). American insurance companies are taking about 20% right off the top just for administration costs. Other countries with -ooops--'socialized' or 'nationalized' medical delivery systems have administrative costs that average around 4 to 7 %. The US has the most expensive health care on the planet-but not the best by a long shot. WHO studies show health outcomes using our delivery system are ranked way down the list. Hmmm--so if we pay the most -shouldn't we be getting the best? As 'Ol Ron' also said -you get what you pay for---well- do we really?--don't you believe it--the facts prove otherwise-we are getting screwed royally by US health providers and not even getting a kiss!. Wake up America-there is NOTHING not to like about the ACA. The folks who have the most to lose are just plain outright lying about the program (gosh-like competition) and what it is and isn't and what it will do for us!

Hmmm-and it appears that negotiating with Reep's and Tea Baggers is as futile an endeavor as 'herding cats'!
That's another joke-sorta.---but perhaps more factual than OldRoy's!! heh-heh-heh-har-har-har-this is FUN!