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Mar 25, 2019 00:19:36   #
How refreshing it is to see peaceful people take to the streets to march..... this time to support the President. That is what steel workers did in Michigan, thousands in NYC, and I am sure elsewhere but the media is silent.

Another 4 years seems to be in his future!!!!

Mar 23, 2019 15:19:20   #
I may be stretching this, but does anyone else find the timing odd? It was just a few days ago that "issues" surrounding Greg Craig came out. The case centers on lobbying work that Craig performed in 2012 for the Russian-backed president of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, while Craig was a partner at the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom. Craig allegedly never registered as a foreign agent under a U.S. law known as the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA, which requires lobbyists to declare publicly if they represent foreign leaders, governments or their political parties.

Was Craig just the shallow water fish...and what more was uncovered about others in the obama and clinton staff?
Mar 22, 2019 23:10:40   #
rumitoid wrote:
"Point taken." Wow! You really love Fancy Treats.

How long do you anticipate that you will avoid a direct question? To quote your favorite president "Shuckin' and jivin'" is not working. Try a direct response.
Mar 22, 2019 22:10:57   #
rumitoid wrote:
I do not respond to your non-question because it does not exist. You made a direct accusation. And this post is not helping you to get those Fancy Treats.

Point taken, so let me fall back and ask a straight forward question. Before you created this thread, did you read for yourself the report cited by Huff?
Mar 22, 2019 21:38:22   #
rumitoid wrote:
Droll on, pussycat. No Fancy Treats for you.

It is a simple question, so I wonder why you can not respond.... could it be that you would have to admit that you should have done your discovery much better before submitting such a politically dividing article? I think if people start using their intelligence and stop letting the media form their opinions for then our nation could come back together.
Mar 22, 2019 21:12:32   #
rumitoid wrote:
You absolutely did not ask a question. You said very clearly, " should have read the report and given supportable claims based on the source document." Where is the question? My emotions get in the way of truth? How about your own words getting their first. I am done with your Trumpian-spin. Have a nice day.

Oh dear.... your feeling are hurt.... poor darling. So.... should you have read the report for yourself and draw your own conclusions and observations? Just my opinion, but I think the report was too limited in how many people they tracked. Had they expanded their base they would have clearly come out with a pattern..... being that people who do not live in cities are more apt to use the programs as a hand up rather than an expectation of entitlements. Also, had they limited their base to cities they would have found that hispanics in California and along the border are far more apt to receive welfare. And had they limited the base to the North East, they would have seen that blacks are the overwhelming participates in the programs. Had they focused on the rust belt, they would have seen that white women dominate the statistics. The report had faults, but taking it with those limitations in mind, the report gave a fairly good understanding where the welfare dollars are spent. Huff however made the issue into a point of them vs us, another point put out just to divide our nation. And you built on this devision by not reading the report and drawing your conclusions. As I said.... numbers do not lie. Adding in your characterization of my opinion as a "trumpian spin" does not help your argument.
Mar 22, 2019 20:36:16   #
rumitoid wrote:
I have three times, at least, acknowledged your fine evidence and arguments. However, your attack on me about not reading the report are unfounded and a slur. Fire away, Gridley.

I did not attack you.... I asked a question. Do not let your emotions get in the way of truth. Do you not allow that your argument would have been different had you read the findings for yourself? Surely you would have seen that much of the information presented by Huff did not project the findings in that report.
Mar 22, 2019 20:18:43   #
rumitoid wrote:
They were not "skewed by the Huff writer to 'prove' that there is no abuse of welfare": they were a general statistical analysis of Welfare. To say otherwise is to skew the results for political bias.

Then how do you explain the minority issue I pointed out? The information is directly from the report that minorities do participate at a greater rate but Huff claims differently. Face it, instead of allowing someone else to do the deducing from the report, you should have read the report and given supportable claims based on the source document.
Mar 22, 2019 16:01:21   #
JediKnight wrote:
Archie: If you support and defend an action - then its the same as committing that action. Remember, if you and I go to a bank to rob it, and you stay in the car, you will still be charged with "bank robbery" -I don't think they have a charge for "sitting in the get away car." Contrary to what you may think, I actually don't 'hate' anyone - hate is such a wasted emotion. What you see is my belief that racism (and therefore 'racists') are wrong.....those racists of the past and those racists of today. Accusing me of 'hating whitey' is your "missed" conception.
Archie: If you support and defend an action - then... (show quote)

Let me see if I follow your logic. Anyone that "defends" an action is as guilty as the person who committed that action, irrespective of time or distance. If I am to accept that as a "fact" then it follows that East African early humanoids are responsible for racism. For it was those early humans that started to move out of East Africa some 300,000 years ago killing or through inner breeding caused the extinction of all other humanoids they encountered in their wake. Ergo, still using your logic, it was they who set in motion the concept of invasion=elimination of inhabitants. And therefore, it is their fault that not so native Americans or not so native Central Americans or even South Americans were killed or assimilated.

Of course this is faulty thinking and there is no reason to blame modern humans for the actions of early humans just as it is faulty logic to blame modern humans for what happened to the not so native Native American or slavery or even modern day Germans for what happened during WWI or WWII or other historical events.

Now your analogy of the bank robber, the person waiting in the car is an accessory to a crime ONLY if that person participates knowingly and voluntarily in the commission of that crime. So, again your logic fails.
Mar 22, 2019 14:48:51   #
Sew_What wrote:
Note: I was replying to Pennylynn, she has a way of providing biased information. I do believe Gov. statistics.

Yet this thread was created on using "gov statistics" only they were skewed by the Huff writer to "prove" that there is no abuse of welfare. Too funny, yet dumb!!!!!
Mar 20, 2019 15:27:08   #
Seth wrote:
I don't know what it is about critters like Darth Whatever, there, but they tend to bring out the worst in me.

Your remarks were highly civil and if that is the "worst" of you, well you are welcome in my home anytime! There are some folks that spend their lives being so critical of the USA I often wonder why they still live here. But, back to your comment.... very well done indeed!!
Mar 20, 2019 14:38:12   #
Seth wrote:
You must be mistaking me for one of your fellow social justice warriors who feel that I am obligated to live with guilt over things people did in another century, when human sensibilities were different and our society was still evolving. Should I also feel responsible for the Democrats owning slaves, the witch burnings at Salem and every other injustice committed by people who were here before my grandparents arrived nearly a century ago?

That's right, my cretinous friend, my ancestors were still living in Ukraine and Poland back then.

If you want to bring up long ago events and accuse all modern day Americans of being murderers and thieves as a result, don't expect to find a sympathetic ear anyplace other than somewhere down that dark, anti-America hole from whence your ilk seem to come.
You must be mistaking me for one of your fellow so... (show quote)

Well done!

Mar 20, 2019 14:34:28   #
JediKnight wrote:
Will you also remind those educationally stunted individuals that what we now call "America" was stolen from the Native Indians -as the white man systematically broke treaty after treaty? Will you remind them that the white settlers from Europe were in fact "invaders" who after the Indians saved their lives during the fierce winter of 1620 repaid them by poisoning their blankets with small pox and later forcing them to live on reservations with little food or water? Then remind them that the majority of 'peoples' living here all came from somewhere else and are little more than thieves. And while you're at it don't forget to remind them that even the fake president's family immigrated here from Germany and Scotland and he has taken on the mantle of "Racist Hypocrite in Chief" while still employing many "illegals" to work for pennies at his golf courses and resorts. Lastly, please, please remind them of what God the Almighty said in Leviticus 19:34 - "never forsake being kind to the strangers and immigrants amongst you -for you were once immigrants yourselves - and I am the Lord thy God."
Will you also remind those educationally stunted i... (show quote)

Thank you. I also add, the "Indians" took the land by conquest of the previous land holders and as those individuals took it by conquest of those who occupied the land before them as has happened from the start of time. As the Spaniards did to Mexico and points further south. There are no indigenous people (with exception of parts of Africa and Australia) in any developed nation. And the hostile take over of land continues as the muslims and mexicans try to invade and displace US citizens.

G*d did say be kind to "strangers" however, he did not direct the Hebrew to be a doormat. Indeed, He directed His people to stay separate from them (Leviticus 18 and 19). I see your quote often, but those who quote are not aware that the Hebrew language lacks an exact equivalent to the Greek noun proselyte, which means a newcomer (the stranger you reference). However, in the Old Testament, G*d's law does allow the ger, usually rendered "stranger," to become a full-fledged citizen of Israel. To do this, he needed to become circumcised. Exodus 12:48. Meaning that the "stranger" had to accept all the laws given to the Hebrew and abandon their pagan religions to include those laws they lived under. They had to learn Hebrew in addition to 613 individual laws plus earn enough money to buy their own animals and feed the hungry passing through their encampments.

There is no hint of G*d expected the Israelites (Hebrews) to seek converts among the heathen by actively preaching to—or, at—them. Here, there is no coercion, subtle or otherwise; the Gentile convert voluntarily gives himself to come under the Old Covenant. Deuteronomy 4:5-7 states the dynamics of this conversion.

Ergo, it is those "strangers" whom the Hebrew is directed to be thoughtful and kind to, not invaders or pagans. And we, US citizens, welcome immigrants under similar conditions... come, learn our language, obey our laws and secure gainful employment.... otherwise you are free to return to wherever you left. We are not inviting them or encouraging them to trespass, but should they come through the avenues of our laws, then after they meet requirements will not be treated differently than any other citizen of the US.

Mar 20, 2019 00:33:40   #
rumitoid wrote:
Too funny. Your point is ridiculous. Their expenses, how they use those vast subsidies, is the same that the GOP demands of those on Welfare.

If my point is ridiculous.... consider that you think a company can eat, sleep, or go to the bathroom. A company is not a human, animal, fish or a plant.... it has human needs or requirements....

But, regardless of that. Let us talk about government subsidies (although has nothing to do with your initial thread). And tell me, which ones would you eliminate.

Farm Subsidies....America's food supply must be protected from droughts, tornadoes, and recessions. In fact, agricultural subsidies were originally created to help farmers ravaged by the Dust Bowl and the Great Depression of 1929. This price support system lasted until the 1990s. The federal government guaranteed farmers a high enough price to remain profitable. Most subsidies go to farmers of grains, such as corn, wheat, and rice. It is because grains provide 80 percent of the world's caloric needs.

Oil Subsidies..... ended by obama.

Ethanol Subsidies.... ended by obama

Export Subsidies, WTO bans export subsidies. But it allows two U.S. federal government export subsidy programs. They help U.S. farmers compete with other countries' subsidized exports. The U.S. Department of Agriculture promotes:

The Export Credit Guarantee Program, which finances U.S. farm exports. The USDA guarantees the buyers' credit when they can't get credit approval locally.
The Dairy Export Incentive Program, which pays cash subsidies to dairy exporters. It helps them meet the subsidized prices of foreign dairy producers.

There are/were others like obama's cash for clunkers, obamacare, and housing subsidies.
And then you may not be talking about subsidies but rather tax insensitivities provided by states to encourage companies from moving to more tax friendly countries or states. If that is the case.... consider how much these companies give back to the community and how many people they employ.
Mar 19, 2019 23:52:28   #
rumitoid wrote:
The biggest and most expensive Safety Net we have are for subsidies to certain Industries. What are they eating? What about their corporate jets? Do they stay at Motel Six when they travel? Question their expense accounts for whatever? Make them do drug tests to qualify? Send reps to inspect their living conditions?

Industries do not eat, sleep, have sexual needs nor do they fly in airplanes. I do not know any of my colleagues, that do have these needs, who are CO or CEO who are on welfare. In fact, my associates work hard for their income and provide the vast majority of jobs, tax revenue, and products sold in and outside of the USA.

You are comparing apples and oranges.
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