Interesting, but what has that got to do with a sane, educated jury finding you not guilty, in spite of the pressures to convict brought by the police, D.A. and judge?

The point for you to realize is that any juror can stop the common misuse of bad laws (and if you think about it most laws we now have are bad) by simply v****g his conscience. don't let the crooked political machine run over you and your neighbor.

Or you can continue to let the "authorities" run your life for their benefit.

Why can't you folks understand that? Are you happy with all their taxes, restrictions, licenses, etc, etc.?

MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN in spite of the politicians.

Bad Laws and what you can do about them.

There is a procedure called Jury Nullification that very few people actually understand, which if properly used would nullify any law that your conscience would find “Bad”. Or any time you say to yourself , "If that defendant were me, I would have done the same thing."

It applies whenever you are a juror in a trial. Or have friends or relatives who may become jurors.

It is extremely unlikely that a Judge will follow the law and tell you this because in most states the law doesn’t require that you be fully informed of your rights as a juror.

Instead expect the judge to tell you that you may consider “only the facts” of the case and may NOT let your conscience, your opinion of the law or the defendant’s motives affect your decision.

They might as well try you by computer.


HOW CAN ANYONE GET A FAIR TRIAL IF THE JURORS ARE TOLD THAT THEIR SENSE OF JUSTICE DOESN’T COUNT ???

A lot of people don’t get a fair trial. Far too often jurors actually end up apologizing to the person they have convicted....something is obviously wrong when jurors hug the defendant after conviction, saying ,” We didn’t want to find you guilty, but the judge said we HAD to convict you if the evidence showed you broke the law as it was explained to us.”

Most Americans know that you have a right to trial by jury, but how many know that THE JURY HAS MORE POWER THAN ANYONE IN THE COURTROOM?

In pursuit of a just verdict, jurors are free to judge the merits of THE LAW itself, it’s use in the case at hand, or the motives of the accused. In other words if in your opinion the law is bad, it’s use in this particular case was wrong or the defendant’s motives were right, the juror can acquit.

IN COURT THE JUROR IS KING.

Why don’t judges tell people the t***h? Today’s judges don’t seem to want juries to make common sense decisions about the law.

Back when our country was young, it was mandatory that the judge in instructing the jury tell them their rights as Jurors. Our founders knew that trials by juries of ordinary people fully aware for their rights as jurors, would be essential to preservation of our FREEDOM as long as juries had the final say on the laws of the land. That would force the government to remain the SERVANT, not the MASTER, of the people.

Our third president THOMAS JEFFERSON, put it like this, “I consider trial by jury as the ONLY anchor yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of it’s constitution.”

JOHN ADAMS, our second president said this, “It is not only his right, but his duty...to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgement and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court.”

During the late 1800's powerful special interests inspired a series of judicial decisions which sought to limit this right. While no court , then or now, has decided that jurors do not have the power to acquit despite the law or the facts, there are decisions holding that jurors needn’t be told that they have this power.

Know ans “JURY NULLIFICATION” or “JURY VETO POWER”, it is now a rare and courageous attorney who will risk being sited for contempt for telling the jury about it without the prior approval of the judge.

So YOU have to understand the above. Not understanding and talking to each other about the above written helps your enemies to destroy our court system and YOUR FREEDOM..

This is the dirty trick that has been used to ruin the greatest country on earth.

As said by THOMAS JEFFERSON, “I consider trial by jury as the ONLY anchor yet imagined by man, by which a government can be held to the principles of it’s constitution.”

PASS THE WORD

It is what they convince themselves of. Subconsciously they see no out, so they cling to the political con just like they embrace the religion con. Just look at how riled up they get when anyone points out logic, and common sense to them. They would rather k**l you than give up their delusion.

That is why talking to them on boards like this is so amusing, they scream and squirm like unhappy 3 year olds.

Let’s face it. All control of the hoy polloi, like politics, comes out of the barrel of a gun.. Uncle Mao said that long ago when he was running the “People’s Revolution”.

That is why I have asked you, in past posts, how you folks were going to enforce your “Sovereign Person” things. How, without enforcers carrying and using guns could you ever expect the bosses to bow to your ideas?

No matter what. It all comes down to that. Either you have to find a way to enforce your ideas, or you have to find a way to stop others from enforcing their ideas on you.

The first step is to realize what is real.

Few people on this board are willing, or able to do that. But we have to keep trying to show them what is real.

A very few will wake themselves out of their self hypnotic state. But when enough do...Oh Boy!!!

Why would he take them on? After all like every other politician in our country, isn't he owned by them? How else could he have been placed in the position he pretends to hold? How else would the MSM ever have even let us know he existed, unless they owned him.

You do realize that the WHOLE of politics is a gargantuan con game played to keep the sheep from revolting, don’t you? As long as they think that things can be changed, the cowardly fools will pretend to believe anything they are told. They certainly won't do anything that might result in them getting hurt, even if it would change things for the better.

Hail Idiocracy!!!


Oh, you mean he’ll put up a show.... Of course. That is part of the con.

Right

This string was written almost a year ago. I'm not noticing any progress. Are you?

It is obvious that what Jim says about our individual views of this horrible activity going on in our law enforcement and courts are disparate and never will be resolved between him and me. going on in our law enforcement and courts are disparate and never will be resolved between him and me.

What about you, the reader of these discussions?

Have you been harmed or seen blatant harm arise from our current court system? Or seen benefit from the way the police and courts handle these problems? Have you gotten an unearned Police Record, and if you have, has that caused problems for you?

Or maybe you have been a victim of the criminals?
Are you willing to talk about your experience?

Maybe my view is wrong. My experience is very limited, though I have had 2 Sheriffs , many Sheriff's Deputies and a number of drug addicts and attorneys (though never one who specialized in defending drug addicts) as patients and have talked with some of them about these problems, especially as related to drugs, ( which I am vociferously against) from which I have formed my opinions.


What say you?????


What about you? Have you been harmed or seen blatant harm arise from our current police/court system?
Are you willing to talk about your experience?

"Research the Hegelian Dialectic. " The time to awaken has long passed.

Too many low mentality critters on the planet who could never understand, or wanted to understand the problem, but thought they had a right to an opinion.

Machiavelli was right, To rule successfully you must use lies and fear, not t***h and love, because the vast number of low class fools would only take advantage.

Jim,

You state, “I strongly disagree that D.A.'s and Police are looking to create criminal cases... The crimes are committed without any Law Enforcement creating them... I will admit they will "take the easy route" toward convictions, especially thru plea bargaining to clear their case load, but that is because they have many more cases than they can investigate fully..”

You will find that the DA gets elected based on how many cases he prosecuted and the “won” percentage.. He/she doesn’t care if they are guilty or not, just whether they can be added to his % of wins. And yes he does rely on scaring the accused by threatening a very long sentence if he doesn't "cooperate" and plead guilty, into pleading guilty and saving him a court appearance while getting credit for another “win”. That is why the plea bargain system exists, not because they are so “overcrowded with cases”.



The police do not get commendations and promotions for not making cases for the D.A. to prosecute and win. And these folks create “evidence” and lie in court as a matter of routine.
They are taught to pick out someone who might be guilty of something and create an imaginary case that sounds roughly logical, adding a little “evidence” if necessary, bring it to the D.A. and see if he can create a “win” out of that.

I find it disingenuous of you to claim you don’t know all that. It has been shown often enough.


You state JimMe] "Of the 21,907 total cases involved in the possible wrongful incarcerations because of the tech's tampering, the ACLU of Massachusetts said 320 were determined to be wrongfully imprisoned..”
Of the 21,587 where she presented and testified to f**e results, do you think they all were actually guilty? If the key evidence was f**ed, how can any real determination be made.
No, the reason more were not yet released was due to the fact that many had finished their sentence and released (with a record to haunt them for the rest of their life) before this was discovered, the availability of attorneys willing to take on pro bono cases, and the cooperation of the D.A. who wanted just to see no more of this debacle, published. I will guarantee you that a lot more were ultimately released. In fact all of them should have been released and in an honest society would be released. They all had proven false evidence used in their cases.
There should be no deviation allowed. Either try the cases honestly, or dismiss them. But then politics rears it’s ugly head.

We do not need to spend MORE $ building and housing “criminals” created by the workings of f**e “Law Enforcement”. We need to tear down 90% of those we have that are incarcerating the “foul drug fiends”, who harm only themselves. Use that money thus saved to get these poor insane people who have been turned out of State run facilities to “save money”.

Believe it or not just a few minutes ago, I heard heart rending female crying, looked out the window and saw an old woman who is one of these crazies, walking down the street in her old black coat, (it is 90degrees out) and crying a pitiful cry. We’ve got dozens of these poor homeless critters in our county.

Yeah, you’ve got the right answer...Build more prisons and get longer sentences. Then you’ll know where your children are.

During the Korean war we had a sniper, a Marine Major, who would use a fifty cal. machine gun on a tripod to allow maximum range, with exploding rounds loaded into a cloth belt, using one round and then an empty , then another round followed by an empty, so that he would fire only one round at a time.

He would fire just past the target to hit a rock or wall and the bullet would explode sending shrapnel in all directions including backwards into the target.

He and his spotter would set up in the open on one of the hills, and pick off gooks hiding in their trenches. With the 50 Cal. he had range on them and unless they called in mortars or artillery there was no way they could touch him.

I’m told he averaged at least one target per day.

Well of course Propaganda’s purpose is “mind control”. That’s the point of the article.

Mind control of all the people who can not think sense.

That currently amounts to 92.2% of the population.

Mind control was originally used to educate our young to the goal of being successful in life, being honest and hard working so the people and the country could get ahead.

Even very early in the country’s history, those who were smart and hard working enough to become very rich and powerful, started trying to change the above mentioned goals, because they instinctively knew that while they themselves were among the smartest segment of the country, their children were often not and incapable of flexing the “brain muscle” to hold their own in a truly free world.

And so they worked to change our country to allow their progeny, no matter how stupid, to continue to survive by riding on the shoulders of hired high IQ advisors, and keeping the rest of humanity on their knees with their heads bowed to avoid competition.

Now here we are almost at the end of our great country’s life, a confused, hypnotized/brainwashed populace with most incapable of understanding what has happened.

Watch the B.’s infighting which will ultimately result in the ones with the real brain power finally taking over from the degenerate offspring of those who sought to run the world.
It is happening right now.

And of course as the world moves forward, where most of the 92.2%, (useful only for manual labor) are obsoleted, and reduced in number by at least 90%, starts to change into a science fiction world.

AI and machines will do wh**ever is required to feed, house and cloth the useful intelligent people, and the useless and troublesome will be gotten rid of by various means. Hail tomorrow.

I'm amazed at your naivete.

You may remember that within the last couple of months, reported on this board, that in Mass. a lab worker who falsified as positive, thousands of drug tests and testified to many of them in court, resulting in something like 30,000 innocents being incarcerated. And Mass. is not the only example. We've had the same thing in a number of other states.

Last year a couple of judges were themselves sent to prison for arbitrarily sending thousands of young men to prison for bribes the judges received from the private company that owned the prison system in their state, and who needed to keep the prisons full to make their moneymaking enterprise work.

You might also refer to the thousands of prisoners who have been released on review of DNA evidence. There is a whole industry based on these miscarriages.

Realize that cops and D.As. are always looking for a chance to create criminal cases.
They are not rewarded for working for justice, only how many cases they clear. And they like the FBI will do wh**ever it takes fair or foul to get convictions.

Why do you think the CIA has been funneling drugs into this country?

If you don’t understand why our country has more prisoners in Jail than any other country in the world I hope you will look into what is going on before it happens to you or yours.

All you really need to know about Kevy baby is that his buddies refer to him as "she".

Btw. the entertaiment industry is full of these shes.

I worked for Barnum and Baily Circus side show at Madison Square Garden for a short time after my military discharge. All the Clowns, the Giant, the Sword Swallower, the Contortionist were q***r. Made me very uncomfortable.

So I quit and got a different job, thank god.

CFR admits all governments use propaganda to “control the narrative” to ens***e their own populations
Speaking before an audience during an event held by the Council on Foreign Relations, Richard Stengel, a former high-level U.S. government official, head of the office for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs at the State Department from 2013 to 2016, and regular commentator on the f**e news network MSNBC, argued that governments have a responsibility to direct propaganda at their domestic populations and ultimately control the political narrative.

Basically, every country creates their own narrative story and, you know, my old job at the State Department was what people used to joke as the ‘chief propagandist’ job,” Stengel explained during the CFR event. “We haven’t talked about propaganda… I’m not against propaganda. Every country does it, and they have to do it to their own population, and I don’t necessarily think it’s that awful.”
Read the whole article @...https://www.newstarget.com/2018-06-10-cfr-admits-all-governments-use-propaganda-to-control-the-narrative.html


Goebels, Hitler's propaganda minister is said to have stated, " If you tell an outlandish lie, and repeat it over and over enough times, the average person will believe it.

Pravda..."T***h", the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic's major news paper, was pointed out as being nothing but made up stories having little or no relation to any t***h, by our news papers during the f**e "Cold War" that everybody believed was real. Our news media p***ed itself on telling us the t***h. Yeah, sure.

Btw, note that the USSR never really was or even called itself "C*******t"...because they weren't. They were a Socialist system of citizen control and oppression.


Now you can understand why you think the way you do. It has nothing to do with reality. Your thinking has been controlled by imaginary narratives. Starting in kindergarten. Kinder is the German word for "children". Yeah your brain washing goes back at least that far.

I've tried to tell you, but only been attacked and insulted whenever I have written about it. Now you have a member of the CFR telling you. Maybe you'll believe that. And think sense.

It’s all a DREAM !!!

Once a person has been convicted of any major crime, (and remember that many of them were actually innocent, but framed to clear a case or for some other police/political reason) they are going to be in NCIC and get much more police attention than someone not previously "convicted".

Add to that, that in most states you can not live a "normal" life for even one day without breaking at least one law. This was stated to me by our county sheriff many years ago, and I will guarantee you that things have not gotten any better over the years.

Add to that the big money involved for the people in "Law enforcement" and the incarceration industry and you can begin to understand that the above figures are bulls**t.