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May 31, 2020 23:27:34   #
JFlorio wrote:
I have a buddy that Brokers for truckers hauling loads. He told me three weeks ago a trucker told him he was delivering loads of r**t gear to army bases. I thought it was BS. Now my nephew in the National Guard has been called up for r**t training. Seems awful coincidental.


Some say the Civil War has started....all was needed was a scapegoat. And that scapegoat is under suicide watch...shall we wager if he will be dead soon?


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May 31, 2020 23:22:41   #
nwtk2007 wrote:
We all see it pennylynn. This is a fairly peaceful exchange and thus, no apologies are necessary. But hey, if you think it's important, then have at it. Blade is not going to hold something against you.


It is there because I have enough integrity to admit my mistakes. Apparently Blade is ignoring the apology, so that answers the question of whether or not he holds my regrettable error/mistake against me.
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May 31, 2020 23:17:25   #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Right about what? Anyone who believes Chauvin's actions played no role in Floyd's death ain't firing on all cylinders.

For how long now has the "white cop vs black suspect encounter" been under the microscope? Considering the unprecedented volatility of our political and cultural environment today and past experience with encounters such as this, seems to me that police officers everywhere should, by now, understand that failing to exercise proper restraint when dealing with a compliant suspect of a different race could easily inflame the racial divide.

And, lookee what happened. This makes the Rodney King r**ts look like a Boy Scout jamboree.

In this case, it is especially troubling to see cops treating a man suspected of committing a non-violent white collar crime and who was apparently drunk and compliant as if he had committed armed robbery. Appears to me Chauvin and his 3 comrades aren't too bright.

We will never know now whether or not Floyd knew the bill was counterfeit.
Right about what? Anyone who believes Chauvin's ac... (show quote)


What surprises me is we still have white cops in minority neighborhoods.
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May 31, 2020 23:12:29   #
GoCubs wrote:
I'm looking forward to hearing about the prior (if any at all) relationship between Chauvin and Floyd since they apparently worked at the same nightclub for a while. Could be nothing. Could be a complete game changer in this case. We shall see.


Derek Michael Chauvin worked at the club for 17 years as a security guard in the parking lot while Floyd took the job as bouncer inside the club after he was released from prison. According to the manager, she was not sure if they ever met or worked the same shift.
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May 31, 2020 23:07:32   #
lindajoy wrote:
I’m sure he is and most formidable at what he does, no doubt...

I’m looking forward to what he will find given the first autopsy report to the second to be done by the victims attorneys choice. Also no slouch...


I am also interested in the comprehensive autopsy report.

The family of Floyd has hired Michael Baden, aka the Death Correspondent...who was fired from his job as ME for New York. If you watch tv, you may have watched his program called autopsy. I remember him from the OJ trial, the JFK hearing, and the Epstein case... If you want and need a diagnosis of murder....he would be the guy I would hire.

Their lawyer...is it the Benjamin Crump of the Zimmerman and Michael Brown cases? I followed him closely...providing it is the same attorney.
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May 31, 2020 22:56:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The eyewitness is going to stand there and claim what happened in the video didn't actually happen?

What is the difference between a sword deposition and a normal deposition? The search engine came up empty for the term...


Read the complaint, witnesses said Floyd resisted arrest. Indeed, three of the witnesses were in the car with Floyd.

Sworn deposition carries with it penalties for distorting the t***h or lying, perjury. Perjury carries a 5 year jail time. Although it is a rare occurrence for people to be charged. A deposition is a witness's sworn out-of-court testimony. It is used to gather information as part of the discovery process and may be used at trial. A deponent often become witnesses for either prosecutor or defendant when a matter goes to grand jury or trial.
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May 31, 2020 22:17:37   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
If you watched it then you know that he wasn't defiant or aggressive towards the officers...

I am not certain that the officer is guilty of murder.... But he is being charged with it...

You brought up that there was a claim that the man was being uncooperative... Anyone can make a claim... Luckily there is video evidence that disproves that idea...

Understand that this thread is a discussion of what happened... Why continuously make false claims about what other members have stated?

To clarify....The officer was guilty of poor decisions and inappropriate actions that contributed to the death of a civilian... That is my opinion...
If you watched it then you know that he wasn't def... (show quote)


As short as I can say it....eyewitness sword depositions.
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May 31, 2020 22:16:16   #
lindajoy wrote:
Reading the complaint is a starting point any good defense lawyer can Shred just by the recitation they, meaning all officers involved, have to attest to when death is involved...

They can also be altered to justify the means of the end result... I know I’ve read enough of them over the years and sat in many a conflicting deposition bearing out the “ inconsistencies” between recitations of what went down..Or, as it was perceived by each officer involved..

I’m not saying that is what occurred here but I am saying the other part just as important is what those other police officers said independently of one another and in writing...I want to see those, all of them as well...
Reading the complaint is a starting point any good... (show quote)


There are holes all through this and I am sure Stuart London is already sorting through the sworn testimony.
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May 31, 2020 21:38:23   #
Radiance3 wrote:
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A second autopsy is needed to prove to the world and re-affirm Dr. Baden's findings. Perhaps this will calm the world a little bit.

All these violence cost us trillions of dollars. Plus the numerous deaths of the law enforcement officers.

We the people are the ultimate victims. Trillions of dollars are needed to fix the damage. Private owners of businesses with stores broken, l**ted and stolen merchandise could not be repaid by the insurance. They will bear all the burden of the cost.
That ends how they could continue living.
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The Floyd family hired the Death Correspondent, Michael Baden...who was fired from his job as ME for New York. If you watch tv, you may have watched his program called autopsy. I remember him from the OJ trial where he insisted OJ did not k**l his wife, the JFK hearing...the second shooter and the Epstein case...If anyone can "find" murder...they hired the right guy.

The Hennepin County Medical Examiner found “no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxiation or strangulation”. His name has not been released.
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May 31, 2020 21:25:30   #
Tug484 wrote:
I read they were both security guards and Floyd didn't like trouble.


The police officer was a security guard. Floyd was a bouncer. Question...what reasonable person likes trouble? Are you implying that the officer was a******l or without reason and liked trouble?
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May 31, 2020 20:42:45   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Sounds good to me...

But how can y'all afford trillions for ME wars and not be able to provide proper equipment for law enforcement officers???

Haven't seen you for a while... Hope you're well


Individual equipment fall under state budget, not federal. Wars, Peacekeeping, or conflicts are funded under federal budget.
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May 31, 2020 20:36:24   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I have been doing research...

The statement somehow takes precedence over reality?????

Did you watch the video?

Where was he uncooperative?

When he wouldn't stand up (hard to do when one is laying on the ground, cuffed, with a man kneeling on one's neck and another man holding one's legs...)???


I watched all three several times, without looking to find culpability.

This is the same old songs, stuck in a groove. No matter how many times people ask the same questions...the answer from me will not change unless there is NEW evidence, which is different than opinions.

In our legal system, the accusers must prove the case against the defendant. So, instead of asking where I see a failure of the law enforcement, try prosecuting your position. I have answered all questions, I have provided the officer's handbook, links to videos, diagrams....and the complaint. All of these sources support my position. To prosecute the position that the officer committed murder, evidence has to be more than preponderance of evidence. His accusers must show, he caused the death. His actions were dangerous. His actions demonstrated a depraved mind. He demonstrated lack of concern for human life.

For murder, the accuser must present evidence that is "beyond a reasonable doubt" must dispel any beliefs that the defendant did not do what he is accused of doing. This is the highest burden of proof. Criminal trials require the judge or jury to base convictions on evidence supporting guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

So, prosecute your case and I will respond...item by item. But, give evidence...not feelings or opinions based on the same tired BS...'his knee was on his throat', he was begging', he said he could not breathe, and so on. Evidence, he jumped up in down with glee when he learned Floyd died....that would be evidence of a depraved mind. Understands your assignment? Now is the time to ask for clarification.
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May 31, 2020 19:39:27   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
There was a link provided earlier that showed footage of the incident...

At what point did he fight?

He appeared to comply the entire time...


There are three videos...and according to witness, he was uncooperative. One has to consider ALL evidence, to include sworn statements. Please do some research on your own.
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May 31, 2020 19:36:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I hope they are very thorough with the investigation... Would h**e to see any sloppiness....

It might just be me... But the one cop who was at the front in the video looked very uncomfortable... I feel like he knew the situation was wrong... (just a feeling)


He may have been uncomfortable because of the growing angry crowd.
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May 31, 2020 19:35:27   #
Tug484 wrote:
I saw an article about it from when he lived in Texas.


I guess he had what Christian call a "back slide".

I looked this up and found an interesting article on him....He must have been one strong man.."Everything from speakers to chairs, to tables, everything had to be loaded from one location to the next,” said Corey Paul, one of Floyd’s partners in ministry. Floyd volunteered to set up and tear down for ministry events on the court, sometimes lugging 30 chairs at a time, his friends said. https://religionnews.com/2020/05/29/george-floyds-ministry-friends-say-he-was-their-og-a-man-of-peace/


Anyway, if he were a Christian...he is no longer in pain nor worries. May he RIP.
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