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Jan 23, 2020 12:42:02   #
slatten49 wrote:
My only reply to you will simply be a re-posting of an earlier one by DTucker300, on page 1.....

dtucker300 (a regular here) Joined: Feb 8, 2017 Posts: 4576 Loc: Vista, CA

Too much of what many refer to as patriotism is actually jingoism. Good post. Thanks!

Both parties see themselves as patriots. This is not 'The Problem!' The problem is not seeing things from the other's perspective and they instead see things one-dimensionally. Lots of that to go around, especially from the far-left and far-right.
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You don't have an opinion to share?
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Jan 23, 2020 12:35:16   #
bylm1-Bernie wrote:
Your reply is exactly what I expected. Making accusations with no proof and then treating them as if they are gospel. We understand that the left has painted themselves into a corner and with their backs to the wall have nothing left but to lash out with unsubstantiated charges. The first charges by the prosecution in the impeachment trial have been very embarrassing to the left. If this can't be called a sham then I don't know what might qualify as one.


I don't talk to straight up. It's impossible to have a train of thought when he writes a separate comment about every sentence of one's post.
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Jan 23, 2020 12:33:10   #
trashbaum wrote:
Oh Well!!! He is a corrupt politician. In fact he is the most corrupt democrat I have ever known about. He even enjoys lying.


His bug eyes go along with his unhinged behavior as well!!
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Jan 23, 2020 12:26:21   #
Liberty Tree wrote:
Schiff says if Trump is not removed we will be attacked by Russia. This guy is really deranged.


I have no doubt he said tat, I'm just not sure how I missed it!

He is the most deranged individual I have ever witnessed.
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Jan 23, 2020 12:24:50   #
slatten49 wrote:
“It is not for honor or glory or wealth that we fight, but for freedom alone, which no good man gives up except with his life.”

Lawrence W. Reed

Patriotism these days is like Christmas—lots of people caught up in a festive atmosphere replete with lights and spectacles. We hear reminders about “the true meaning” of Christmas—and we may even mutter a few guilt-ridden words to that effect ourselves—but each of us spends more time and thought in parties, gift-giving, and the other paraphernalia of a secularized holiday than we do deepening our devotion to the true meaning.

So it is with patriotism, especially on Memorial Day in May, F**g Day in June, and Independence Day in July. Walk down Main Street America and ask one citizen after another what patriotism means and with few exceptions, you’ll get a passel of the most self-righteous but superficial and often dead-wrong answers. America’s Founders, the men and women who gave us reason to be patriotic in the first place, would think we’ve lost our way if they could see us now.

Since the infamous attacks of September 11, 2001, Americans in near unanimity have been “feeling” patriotic. For most, that sadly suffices to make one a solid patriot. But if I’m right, it’s time for Americans to take a refresher course.

Patriotism is not love of country, if by “country” you mean scenery—amber waves of grain, purple mountain majesty, and the like. Almost every country has pretty collections of rocks, water, and stuff that people grow and eat. If that’s what patriotism is all about, then Americans have precious little for which we can claim any special or unique love. And surely, patriotism cannot mean giving one’s life for a river or a mountain range.

Patriotism is not blind trust in anything our leaders tell us or do. That just replaces some lofty concepts with mindless goose-stepping.

Patriotism is not simply showing up to v**e. You need to know a lot more about what motivates a v**er before you judge his patriotism. He might be casting a b****t because he just wants something at someone else’s expense. Maybe he doesn’t much care where the politician he’s hiring gets it. Remember Dr. Johnson’s wisdom: “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”

Waving the f**g can be an outward sign of patriotism, but let’s not cheapen the term by ever suggesting that it’s anything more than a sign. And while it’s always fitting to mourn those who lost their lives simply because they resided on American soil, that too does not define patriotism.

People in every country and in all times have expressed feelings of something we flippantly call “patriotism,” but that just begs the question. What is this thing, anyway? Can it be so cheap and meaningless that a few gestures and feelings make you patriotic?

Not in my book.

I subscribe to a patriotism rooted in ideas that in turn gave birth to a country, but it’s the ideas that I think of when I’m feeling patriotic. I’m a patriotic American because I revere the ideas that motivated the Founders and compelled them, in many instances, to put their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor on the line
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What ideas? Read the Declaration of Independence again. Or, if you’re like most Americans these days, read it for the very first time. It’s all there. All men are created equal. They are endowed not by government but by their Creator with certain unalienable rights. Premier among those rights are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Government must be limited to protecting the peace and preserving our liberties, and doing so through the consent of the governed. It’s the right of a free people to rid themselves of a government that becomes destructive of those ends, as our Founders did in a supreme act of courage and defiance more than two hundred years ago.

Call it freedom. Call it liberty. Call it wh**ever you want, but it’s the bedrock on which this nation was founded and from which we stray at our peril. It’s what has defined us as Americans. It’s what almost everyone who has ever lived on this planet has yearned for. It makes life worth living, which means it’s worth fighting and dying for.

An American Spin

I know that this concept of patriotism puts an American spin on the term. But I don’t know how to be patriotic for Uganda or Paraguay. I hope the Ugandans and Paraguayans have lofty ideals they celebrate when they feel patriotic, but whether or not they do is a question you’ll have to ask them. I can only tell you what patriotism means to me as an American.

I understand that America has often fallen short of the superlative ideas expressed in the Declaration. That hasn’t diminished my reverence for them, nor has it dimmed my hope that future generations of Americans will be re-inspired by them.

This brand of patriotism, in fact, gets me through the roughest and most cynical of times. My patriotism is never affected by any politician’s failures, or any shortcoming of some government policy, or any slump in the economy or stock market. I never cease to get that “rush” that comes from watching Old Glory flapping in the breeze, no matter how far today’s generations have departed from the original meaning of those stars and stripes. No outcome of any e******n, no matter how adverse, makes me feel any less dev**ed to the ideals our Founders put to pen in 1776. Indeed, as life’s experiences mount, the wisdom of what giants like Jefferson and Madison bestowed on us becomes ever more apparent to me. I get more fired up than ever to help others come to appreciate the same things.

During a recent visit to the land of my ancestors, Scotland, I came across a few very old words that gave me pause. Though they preceded our Declaration of Independence by 456 years, and come from three thousand miles away, I can hardly think of anything ever written here that more powerfully stirs in me the patriotism I’ve defined above. In 1320, in an effort to explain why they had spent the previous 30 years in bloody battle to expel the invading English, Scottish leaders ended their Declaration of Arbroath with this line: “It is not for honor or glory or wealth that we fight, but for freedom alone, which no good man gives up except with his life.”

Freedom—understanding it, living it, teaching it, and supporting those who are educating others about its principles. That, my fellow Americans, is what patriotism should mean to each of us today.
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Do you see the democrats of the House as being patriotic in their attempt to remove the president? Guys like Schiff, Pelosi, Schummer and the rest??
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Jan 23, 2020 12:22:58   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
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What I would give to sit across a table from him and just rip on him.


I would provide much pleasure to watch you do that!!
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Jan 23, 2020 12:21:14   #
vernon wrote:
It sounded like he was advocating the doing away with e******ns. If he has any doubts about e******ns
all he should do is go for v**er id.instead of fighting it tooth and nail. He can't do that because he has added 3 million v**ers to the rolls by fighting tooth and nail for the open borders crap.
the demoRATS party should be listed on the unamerican activities committee and outlawed. I feel like
we need to check every precinct and every person v****g illegally should be locked up .
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Totally agree. They can share a cell with Schiff!
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Jan 23, 2020 12:07:21   #
gaconservative74 wrote:
As long as you aren’t a white male straight Christian, the left is fine with you.


I think it's almost pretty much as long as you aren't a white guy over a certain age!
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Jan 23, 2020 12:06:13   #
trashbaum wrote:
Anything according to Schiff is hardly reliable.


Goes without saying!!
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Jan 23, 2020 12:03:10   #
Sicilianthing wrote:
Adam Schiff: Americans are too stupid to decide e******ns
Rush Limbaugh erupts: 'The son of a ... actually said it'
WND Staff By WND Staff
Published January 22, 2020

U.S. Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., the congressman known for falsely claiming for years he had evidence of Trump campaign 2016 collusion with Russia and for putting a fabricated Trump phone transcript in the congressional record, has gone off the deep end this time, says talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh.

In his opening statement Wednesday in the impeachment trial of President Trump, Schiff charged that the results of e******ns cannot be trusted and Americans who v**e are too stupid to make such decisions.

"He actually said it. The son of a ... actually said it," Limbaugh told his listeners.

Schiff said the Senate needs to stop an "attempt to use the powers of the presidency to c***t in an e******n for precisely this reason, the president's misconduct cannot be decided at the b****t box."

Explained Limbaugh: "Meaning we can't wait for the American people to decide because you people don't know enough to throw the guy out. The Democrats have to be in charge of this. Your v**e doesn't count anymore."

"The president's misconduct cannot be decided at the b****t box, for we cannot be assured that the v**e will be fairly won," Schiff claimed.

The president reacted to the Senate trial from the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

"These are major sleazebags. It's a total h**x. It's a disgrace," he said.

The House impeachment managers contend Trump used the power of his office to pressure Ukraine to help him win the 2020 e******n then tried to cover up his scheme by obstructing Congress' investigation.

The White House argues Trump had a public interest in asking Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky to "look into" an apparent conflict of interest in H****r B***n's profiting from a corrupt Ukrainian firm while his father was Obama's point man for Ukraine policy.

Limbaugh said: "Folks, in a normal and sane world, Adam Schiff would have just stepped in it. ... He said, 'We cannot trust the b****t box.' Now, where do you start with this?"

He pointed out that special counsel Robert Mueller said that in his prosecution of Russian cyber troll farms he said there was "nothing in these indictments that shows one v**e was changed because of the actions of the accused."

"And yet," said Limbaugh, "the Democrat Party persists in lying to the American people. I told you that these people ought to be held accountable. They have done more to corrupt the honor and integrity of American e******ns than anything the Russians could have done had they succeeded."

The Democrats' actions, he said, "have made sure everybody doubts every e******n result they lose."

"When they lose, the Russians did it, Trump did it, what have you. They're already accusing Trump of tampering with the 2020 e******n."

Schiff, he said, "is lying through his teeth" and exhibiting "the height of irresponsibility."

He continued: "Schiff is attempting to influence your most sacred right, i.e., to v**e. 'Threatened our national security, withholding critical aid from a partner on the front lines in the war with Russia.' No, Schiff. You and Obama did that. Ukraine got their aide, and they got more than they bargained for."

So what does Limbaugh think about Schiff?

"This guy is not altogether sane. I think this guy is rivaling Antonio Brown to me in being just off center."
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Schiff is NOT sane, obviously, neither is Pelosi. And yes, per the title of this thread, Schiff thinks we are all stupid, especially his own constituents.
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Jan 23, 2020 11:45:33   #
thebigp wrote:
By Joe Hoft January 3, 2020 LIFE AND LIBERTY
We reported in March 2017 that Obama’s Defense Department Official Evelyn Farkas admitted Obama was spying on the Trump campaign, t***sition team and Presidency.
Former Assistant Defense Secretary under the Obama administration, Evelyn Farkas admitted that the Obama administration was trying to collect as much intelligence as possible on the Trump administration:
Evelyn Farkas: “…Frankly speaking the people on The Hill..get as much information as you can. Get as much intelligence as you can before President Obama leaves the administration because I had a fear that somehow that information would disappear with the senior people who left so it would be hidden away in the bureaucracy…
Ummm that the Trump folks if they found out how we knew what we knew about the Trump staff dealing with Russians that they would try to compromise the sources and methods meaning that we would no longer have access to that intelligence.”
Evelyn Farkas also served as an advisor to Hillary Clinton during the 2016 P**********l campaign and was up for a position in the Clinton administration if Hillary became President.It’s no big deal that she had access to information on the Trump campaign while advising his opponent, Hillary Clinton, right? Nothing to see here, move along…
We knew three years ago that the f**e Russian narrative was to distract from Obamagate and we said so. Now we know that Farkas was also involved in the Ukraine and the now infamous oil and gas company, Burisma.
Burisma is the same company that Joe Biden’s son once served as a Board member while his father was VP. The same company that is under scrutiny for hiring H****r B***n and paying him millions for knowing absolutely nothing about oil and gas in the Ukraine.
Farkas is also pictured with members of the Atlantic Council which is heavily connected to the recent whistleblower case in the House which also involves the Ukraine.
Farkas, is a former top Obama administration Defense Department official. She has been advocating for the intelligence community and other government employees to collect information that could be damaging to President Trump and leak it to the media. She once said:
“And I know that we have to preserve our sources and methods [speaking about the U.S. intelligence community], but at some point you know, sometimes maybe you have to actually compromise some kind of source or method if it comes down to saving American democracy.”
Also, Farkas is now running for Congress.
You can read about her exploits here: Dr. Evelyn N. Farkas
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia/Ukraine/Eurasia
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Dr. Evelyn N. Farkas is Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia/Ukraine/Eurasia. She served previously as Senior Advisor to the Supreme Allied Commander Europe/Commander, U.S. European Command, and as Special Advisor for the Secretary of Defense for the NATO Summit. Prior to that, she was a Senior Fellow at the American Security Project.

In 2008-2009, she served as Executive Director of the congressionally-mandated bipartisan Commission on the Prevention of Weapons of Mass Destruction Proliferation and Terrorism, which published its report World at Risk (Random House) on-time and under-budget in November 2008.

From April 2001 to April 2008, she served as a Professional Staff Member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, conducting policy and budget oversight (for over $20 billion) of the Department of Defense policy office and military commands including the U.S. Pacific Command, Special Operations Command, Southern Command, Northern Command, and U.S. Forces Korea. Her issue areas included foreign and defense policy worldwide regarding special operations, combating terrorism, foreign military assistance, peace and stability operations, counternarcotics efforts, homeland defense, and export controls, and regionally regarding the Asia Pacific and Western Hemisphere.

Prior to assuming that position, for four years she was a professor of international relations at the U.S. Marine Corps Command and Staff College, Marine Corps University. She served in Bosnia as a Human Rights Officer for the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in 1996, and as an E******n Supervisor in 1997. In 2009, she was an e******n observer in Afghanistan.
Her publications include journal articles and opinion pieces in The Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, The Washington Times, Defense News, and The Boston Globe, and on sites including The Daily Beast, Foreign Policy.com and Politico.com, as well as commentary on MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, Air America’s Montel Williams Show, and Voice of America. She is also the author of “Fractured States and U.S. Foreign Policy: Iraq, Ethiopia, and Bosnia in the 1990s” (Palgrave/St. Martin’s Press, 2003 and 2008). Dr. Farkas obtained her MA and Ph.D. from The Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. She speaks fluent Hungarian and German, as well as rudimentary French, Spanish, Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian, and Hindi. She is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and a recipient of the Joint Meritorious Civilian Service Award.
SOURCE-Joe Hoft -LIFE AND LIBERTY- Evelyn Farkas-
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Farkas, like most democrats/l*****ts/ believe the end's justify the means. Sin that grace may abound! Employ crime to say anti-criminal enterprise! K**l the innocent to get to the big k**lers!

All pieces of evil work!!
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Jan 23, 2020 11:40:03   #
factnotfiction wrote:
Really sad that trump and his supporters have no idea what the t***h is. They live their lives as one big lie.

It really is time to remove trump from office and shut his supporters up from the incessant lies that they tell.

If impeachment can't remove trump, then he needs to v**ed out, by any margin, but preferably by such an overwhelming rebuke of trump and his policies that his type of politician will never get any power again.


https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/23/politics/fact-check-trump-false-impeachment-wednesday/index.html
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Really?

1. Schiff had composed his parody prior to the release of the transcript and Pelosi obviously hadn't seen it when she made her comments.

2. Lie by CNN. There was certainly some agitation by the democrats when the transcript didn't reflect Pelosi's comments.

3. Most of us don't even think there was a first whistle blower and yes, Trump is correct, the dems were claiming they had others. Where was CNN?

4. They talk about the "call" but never the actual words and what was actually said except to lie about it!!

5. The extension was for a fraction of the aid. CNN exaggerates out their a$$!

6. What Obama gave them was not lethal aid at all. Obama gave them nothing they could use to fight with!!

7. Compared to the US others have given a fraction of what we have!!

8. Nit picking 400 billion versus 530 billion. Sure, what ever. Obama visited all 58 states!

9. Trump paraphrased. He was correct!! CNN lies!!


CNN headline says 14, but there are only 9. Hmm! CNN lies!!!!!!!!!!! And wow, just how reliable is it when their "fact check references" are their own articles!!

LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jan 23, 2020 11:24:13   #
4430 wrote:
The whole lot of Dem's are corrupt to the core and they have the gall to blame Trump for doing what Pelosi Kerry Romney and Biden and their sons have been doing all along !

I've been saying this for yrs is the fact that the Dem's have a double standard one really unattainable for Republicans and then theirs where anything goes !

Deep State is really deep and they don't like their big cash cow has been found raking in the hay for yrs in the Ukraine ad who knows where else !


Exactly, where else are they doing this?? Ukraine truly is a hot bed of corruption and it appears to be driven by US democrats!!
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Jan 23, 2020 11:22:22   #
Dwight Logan wrote:
There is one element of t***h about v**ers. So many are like sheep. They have v**ed for people like Pelosi, Biden and Schiff.


True, however, it is who we are. The v**ers cannot be over ridden unless the constitution specifically says so as in the e*******l college. This partisan impeachment is an attempt to undo an e******n; over ride the v**e!
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Jan 23, 2020 11:16:50   #
Dwight Logan wrote:
The media does in depth investigation into democrats. They have printed the negative comments. The problem with trying to read them is because they print it with invisable ink.


And put it on the back "page" via links printed in the same invisible ink!!
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