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Dec 14, 2023 16:33:22   #
Liberty Tree wrote:
Declaring your opinion fact does not make it so. By your standard all those convicted of the murder of an unborn child should be set free. Do you agree with that?


But...but....but...permafrost's knowledge is so all-encompassing that you should not have to question him about anything!!! (Or so he says!! lol!!)

He says "no searching is needed to prove anything the world knows I am right". So we should stop learning or reading anything ever again and just listen to him....the WHOLE WORLD knows he is right!!! LOLOL!!!!! What a clown!!
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Dec 14, 2023 16:24:18   #
permafrost wrote:
The american collage of pediatrics has long been a thorn in the side of real medical experts.. It was dismissed and yet we see various individuals seeking the jaded information given by the coven of lost individuals who long for the dreams of their night to be real..

You should seek help..

You should seek help if you think you know better than an institution of your medical experts dev**ed to studying very closely what happens when an ovum is fertilized by a sperm!

I think the American College of Pediatrics is a thorn in YOUR side.

You won't be able to fight technology for much longer, if at all. They are looking in real time at how molecules and atoms are at work developing a single cell during this event.

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Dec 14, 2023 16:01:10   #
Milosia2 wrote:
They’re not Children till birth .
They’re fetuses until then .
California cannot k**l children by a******n .


This article was written in 2004...and updated in 2017...SIX years ago. So, as you can see, it is not a new perspective from the medical community. It is from the American College of Pediatricians: Doctors and researchers who study the birth and care of children. And as time passes, these things will become crystal clear with the advance of technology. They can already physically see with their own eyes an actual sperm meeting an egg. They are studying this action closer and closer and with more and more resolution (detail) from their electron microscopes.

https://acpeds.org/position-statements/when-human-life-begins

WHEN HUMAN LIFE BEGINS

ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.

It has been recognized for millennia that both a paternal (semen) and a maternal contribution are required for the formation of a new human life. The first recorded embryological reports are in the fifth century B.C. books of Hippocrates, who noted from the study of incubating chicken eggs that the nature of the bird can be likened to that of the man. A century later, Aristotle studied the chick and other embryos but incorrectly thought that they arose from a formless mass of semen combined with menstrual blood. In 1677, Hamm and Leeuwenhoek observed spermatozoa under the microscope, but thought they contained miniature humans. Spallanzani demonstrated in 1775 that both oocyte and sperm were necessary. In 1827, von Baer observed oocytes in the ovarian follicle and in the Fallopian tube and blastocysts in the uterus of a dog.

Finally, it was with the advent of the cell theory developed by Schleiden and Schwann in 1839 that it was recognized that the embryo develops from the single-celled zygote. Directly based upon this observation and the knowledge that the single-celled zygote was alive and an independent being, in 1859 the American Medical Association published a statement strongly opposing a******n, particularly commenting on the independence of the zygote during the time between its formation and its implantation.

Although the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology in 1965 attempted to redefine “conception” to mean implantation rather than fertilization, medical dictionaries and even English language dictionaries both before and after 1966 define “conception” as synonymous with fertilization (sometimes via the intermediary term of “fecundation”. Moore’s 1974 edition of a human embryology textbook states that development is a continuous process that begins when an ovum is fertilized by a sperm and ends at death. It is a process of change and growth that t***sforms the zygote, a single cell, into a multicellular adult human being. Moore’s 2008 edition emphasizes that development does not end at birth but extends into early adulthood. Professor Emeritus of Human Embryology of the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Dr. C. Ward Kischer, affirms that “Every human embryologist, worldwide, states that the life of the new individual human being begins at fertilization (conception).” Even authors who philosophically lean towards not attributing the same value to human life at the one-cell stage as they do to later stages of development admit that “As far as human ‘life’ per se, it is, for the most part, uncontroversial among the scientific and philosophical community that life begins at the moment when the genetic information contained in the sperm and ovum combine to form a genetically unique cell.” J.T. Eberl goes on to say – and this is really the debate:

“However, what is controversial is whether this genetically unique cell should be considered a human person.”

Nonetheless, one could sensibly make the case that “personhood” can only exist in a living human being and that the division of these two entities is arbitrary at best.

In the last century, and particularly in the last decades, much more detailed observation has been made of the first 24 hours of the life of a human being. During this time the cell membranes of a sperm and ovum fuse and the first cell division occurs. When during this 24 hours does, a new human life begin? Embryologists are less united on this question. This Statement aims to clarify this issue.

During the first 24 hours, once the sperm and egg bind to each other, the membranes of these two cells fuse, creating in less than a second a single hybrid cell: the zygote, or one-cell embryo. To protect his or her bodily integrity, within minutes the zygote initiates changes in its ionic composition, releasing zinc in a spark that induces “egg activation,” first modifying the surrounding zona pellucida blocking further sperm binding to the cell surface. Cooperation between sperm and egg components to achieve replication of DNA, cell division, and growth occurs as maternally and paternally derived factors in the zygote begin interacting with and chemically modifying each other to initiate the final round of meiotic division in the maternally derived nucleus to enable DNA replication.

Finally, the nuclear membranes of the pronuclei break down (called syngamy—technically, pronuclear membranes). No new nuclear membrane encompassing both pronuclei is formed; rather, mitosis occurs and two cells, each with its own identical nucleus encased in a nuclear membrane, are formed.

Furthermore, studies with mice embryos demonstrate that despite the plasticity of which allows disrupted blastomeres to form an entire organism, ordinarily the polarity of the embryo is determined by the site of sperm penetration. (Evidence from other mammalian species suggests that the same may be true in humans, but does not offer definitive proof).

Some embryologists consider fertilization a day-long process and regard the beginning of human life as occurring near the end of this process at syngamy, whereas others consider the time of cell membrane fusion when the embryo gives evidence of being a different kind of cell than either oocyte or sperm, to be the beginning of a new human life, since within minutes the new embryo acts to prevent the merger of another sperm with itself and starts the business of self-replication. The single-celled embryo is a very different kind of cell than that of sperm or oocyte, and contains a unique genome that will determine most future bodily features and functions of his or her lifetime.

An organism is defined as “(1) a complex structure of interdependent and subordinate elements whose relations and properties are largely determined by their function in the whole, and (2) an individual constituted to carry on the activities of life by means of organs separate in function but mutually dependent: a living being.”

It is clear that from the time of cell fusion, the embryo consists of elements (from both maternal and paternal origin) which function interdependently in a coordinated manner to carry on the function of the development of the human organism. From this definition, the single-celled embryo is not just a cell, but an organism, a living being, a human being.

The American College of Pediatricians concurs with the body of scientific evidence that corroborates that a unique human life starts when the sperm and egg bind to each other in a process of fusion of their respective membranes and a single hybrid cell called a zygote, or one-cell embryo, is created.

As physicians dedicated both to scientific t***h and to the Hippocratic tradition, the College values all human lives equally from the moment of conception (fertilization) until natural death. Consistent with its mission to “enable all children to reach their optimal physical and emotional health and well-being,” the College, therefore, opposes active measures that would prematurely end the life of any child at any stage of development from conception to natural death.

Original author: Fred de Miranda, MD, March 2004
Updated: Dr. Patricia Lee June, MD, March 2017
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Dec 14, 2023 15:14:05   #
Haski123 wrote:
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly.
The fact s supporting Trumps questionable actions before, while in office and since have led to four legal cases and three convictions ,with 91 open indictments.
Trumps questionable actions ,some potentially illegal actions have led to Trump self created legal situations- he is only a victim because he self proclaimed it. All were investigated , deemed prosecutable actions were taken by Trump with three convictions to date and 91 pending indictments.
These are the facts that indicate Trump has done illegal things and not best candidate for President. The world is watching to see if USA citizens can v**e in a three time convicted person to the highest office if the USA. Should he win the WW scorn , disbelief and laughing will begin.
As you said there is only one god per most religions and I’ll say it ain’t Trump. The only one I hear saying they are perfect is Trump. God will decide Trumps ultimate fate as you have said, but we citizens must keep reiterating his misdeeds and ensure he doesn’t get back to power.
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly. ... (show quote)

That last sentence was directed at you, not Trump! Lol!

Do you realize how stupid it looks for you to say that the same people have charged Trump 91 times? The party that is trying to rig the next e******n - already is - by throwing so many things at him at once (many of which happened a long time ago) that they think that ONE of their lies about him might just do the trick and get rid of him so he can't win next year? Why have they waited in some cases more than TEN YEARS to charge him with things, but suddenly feel the need to bring them up NOW...during the year that he is campaigning to return to the White House?

That is the reality that Americans are seeing with this farce.

Here's another one for you to think about: NONE of this would have happened if he weren't running for office.

If you don't think your party is trying to c***t Trump out of another term in office (again), you are deluding yourself.
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Dec 14, 2023 15:04:10   #
Haski123 wrote:
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly.
The fact s supporting Trumps questionable actions before, while in office and since have led to four legal cases and three convictions ,with 91 open indictments.
Trumps questionable actions ,some potentially illegal actions have led to Trump self created legal situations- he is only a victim because he self proclaimed it. All were investigated , deemed prosecutable actions were taken by Trump with three convictions to date and 91 pending indictments.
These are the facts that indicate Trump has done illegal things and not best candidate for President. The world is watching to see if USA citizens can v**e in a three time convicted person to the highest office if the USA. Should he win the WW scorn , disbelief and laughing will begin.
As you said there is only one god per most religions and I’ll say it ain’t Trump. The only one I hear saying they are perfect is Trump. God will decide Trumps ultimate fate as you have said, but we citizens must keep reiterating his misdeeds and ensure he doesn’t get back to power.
Wow your last sentence describes Trump perfectly. ... (show quote)
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Dec 14, 2023 13:44:35   #
American Vet wrote:
And the top 10 cities (actually more like 25) with the highest murder rates are run by democrats - and have been for years.

Now consider this, Corn Pop: Who is responsible for managing the police in those cities? The state Governor or the Mayor/City Councils?


What police?? Didn't they defund them all in California yet? It sure looked like that was the goal!

How can places that have defunded their police departments expect that crime will not go up??? It's just plain common sense that would happen!!

Instead of getting rid of deadwood policemen and women who corrupt the system, they get rid of good, solid crime-fighting people in places where they are greatly needed. What kind of stupidity is that?

These are the major cities that have significantly defunded their police departments (many smaller cities and towns have defunded their police departments, as well):

Detroit
Chicago
Los Angeles
Las Vegas
Dallas
Boston
Seattle
Denver
New York City
Philadelphia
San Francisco
Washington DC
Minneapolis
Baltimore
Portland, Oregon
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Dec 14, 2023 13:28:03   #
Haski123 wrote:
Nice summary. Stepping back is good, finding source for changes happening and what level is good or evil, what level is acceptable or not in a democratic republic and then what can be done to change to more positive flow is a tough question.
To put the burden on Government and Government leaders I don’t think is the entire answer. Ancient Rome tried to regulate morality it didn’t work then and trying to do that now I don’t feel will work either.
I don’t have the answer. I just try to listen, learn, research understand and lead and demonstrate my beliefs by my words and actions.
Nice summary. Stepping back is good, finding sourc... (show quote)


Christians are pretty clear about what is going on. If you don't subscribe to that, that's your prerogative, but - in my opinion - you are not seeing that bigger picture I mentioned above. We believe that a spiritual war is ramping up. I've heard people say it here. I've heard people say it at the Bible study and other town meetings I go to. I've heard it in many places...and I see it with my own eyes!

Biden may be sitting around eating ice cream and telling untrue things about himself, but the people who are actually running this country are trashing it right in front of our noses! A wide open border, homeless living in tents all across our nation, people struggling to make ends meet because of higher prices on everything, crime up in numbers we've NEVER seen before in America, little babies being tortured and sucked out of their mother's wombs, schools trying to t***sform our children into zombies who can't think for themselves. How can people NOT see these evil, terrible things that are happening on a daily basis in America???

I know that answer: Because they are weak from living in darkness, and from the blinds that have been placed over their eyes.

This is going to get worse...MUCH worse. It's only just beginning!

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Dec 14, 2023 13:07:25   #
Haski123 wrote:
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing political fact checking. Facts are facts, alternate facts are lies,
With different groups checking most are consistent, they are all accurate ( unless their info the source is c*********d). How many fact checker levels would make you believe?
They also state sources and how they get info, once they start making conclusions or interpretation they would then go beyond just facts.

Example: Trump told us C***d is under control only a few cases and it will go away. At same time he told Bob Woodward this is serious people can die. These two statements don’t match . Facts are he said opposite things to two groups at the same time. Both statements are factually made, one was a known lie at the time.
Well there are 3-4 different groups doing politica... (show quote)


You know that old argument about Trump telling us C***d is under control has been debunked about a million times now. Trump told us what he was being told by who he thought were experts in medical issues.

Trump is NOT a doctor or a researcher or a scientist. And he said so at the time, and that is why he appointed Vice President Pence to form a team of MEDICAL EXPERTS to handle the C***d crisis.....and THOSE were the people who were telling Trump what to tell us was going on.

Why can't you accept that fact?
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Dec 14, 2023 12:56:55   #
facts matter wrote:
I spent the first 65 years of my life living in Brooklyn and Nassau until my retirement earlier this year. Most of you only know of trump since "the apprentice". He's a liar and conman, and never does anything unless there's something in it for him. He feels he is above apologies, forgiveness, and the law. He truly has zero redeeming qualities and is a stain on humanity.


It does not matter what he was in the past. It doesn't matter what he is today.

You do not know what is going in in his heart! And you do not know what is going to happen in the future. It is arrogant of you to think you do.... you must think you can predict the future if you can post something like that!! 😂
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Dec 14, 2023 12:50:54   #
facts matter wrote:
The problem, padre, is that trump is unrepentant. He's admitted to never seeking forgiveness, or offering apologies. He has neither humility or empathy. He puts his needs above all others and is not worthy of your admiration.

Whether Trump is repentant or not today has nothing to do with you. It has everything to do with Trump and God.....and no one else. Trump's time on earth is not finished, and for you to judge his future based on what he is today is something you are not capable of doing! No one but God can do that.

You arrogant people think you can sit there and tell the world which of us are evil and good! It amazes me that there are people like you who think your 💩 doesn't stink because you believe you know it all!

You don't.

And you should humble yourself with that FACT.
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Dec 14, 2023 12:20:01   #
jimpack123 wrote:
Padre You accept Evil Trump as good isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. As a man of the cloth you should be ashamed I will pray for you

Who are you to say Trump is evil? You don't know his heart. No one does. Only Trump and God know that.

And even if someone is truly evil (and I am NOT saying that is Trump here), they have the ability to change themselves before they leave this earth.

For you to declare someone - anyone - to be "evil" is pretty arrogant of you, given that they still have time to change that...IF, in fact, they are evil to begin with.
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Dec 14, 2023 12:04:34   #
padremike wrote:
Dear friend, it seems to me that the patterns of biblical history are that individual souls are judged in eternity but the nations and societies of men are judged in this life. God promised He would never destroy us again, at least by flood, but He never promised He would never allow us to destroy ourselves. This spiritual war is extremely deadly inasmuch as it k**ls both bodies and souls. Matt 10:28 - "And fear not them which k**l the body, but are not able to k**l the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

For love of our Lord and our fellow man, we fight evil the best we are able. It's not that complicated for us. We keep the faith and we persevere.
Dear friend, it seems to me that the patterns of b... (show quote)

It's true that for us Christians it is pretty simple: Good vs Evil....H**e vs Love...Right vs Wrong. The issue with this war is that Satan wants it all. He wants our "goodness" our "Love" and he wants us to "do the wrong thing" as much as possible. And he puts blinders on those who are weak and whose souls are malleable.

I see all of this darkness...unrest...beginning to surround people from all walks of life. Yes, this has been going on for years and years, but it seems to me that lately with the increase in baby-k*****g, child g***ming, g****r confusion and a sexual revolution the likes of which we have not seen - at least in modern times - and a president who seems to want to force our beautiful, prosperous country into ruination - that we are facing one of the biggest battles we've ever been subject to. And that is because it involves our very souls...our eternity! That is what people aren't seeing! They need to step back....way back....and look at the bigger picture. It's not just a little spat that's going on here!
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Dec 14, 2023 09:29:31   #
padremike wrote:
You L*****ts started it when you removed simple prayer out of school thru the efforts of an atheist and you have systematically and incrementally chipped away at our foundation ever since. Would the Founders have agreed with that decision or the Americans that fought the Revolutionary War? Hell no. You've perverted our Constitution and used it against our Republic if we can legitimately be called a Republic anymore with the Left's destruction of the Rule of Law.

I never claimed the issues are political. The politics are always t***sitory, its the spiritual war that will destroy us and that is where the atheistic Left has placed their most aggressive efforts. They have, however, purposely brought issues against our faith into politics: a******n, l***q, defense of marriage, etc, etc, etc, and destroyed the balance between Church & State that we always enjoyed before. Consider that in my youth that the Traditional American morals, values, faith, family & love of country, etc., I was taught in my home, were the same as our neighbors, our churches, schools, community, state and across the nation. Democrats and Republicans may have had to compromise on politics yet they shared the very same morals, values, faith etc., etc. Who the bloody hell gave you damn l*****ts permission to change us? The answer is the adaption of atheistic cultural Marxism. Can you explain what good has been accomplished with the moral compromises? Are you perhaps a moral relativist with your special Bible, "50 shades of gray?"

You claim, "You and I can influence good." How is that possible when you're c*********d to accept evil as good? Anytime Conservatives compromise with the cultural Marxist Left we lose another incremental bit of the moral and t***hful good.
You L*****ts started it when you removed simple pr... (show quote)


I suspect, padre, that when you post these marvelous, t***hful, essays about how the very foundation of our country's existence, as well as the moral fiber of humanity, is being threatened by this spiritual war that is beginning to rage all around the globe, they cheer - believing they have won!

I wonder what they're going to think when they find out they were wrong?
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Dec 13, 2023 17:15:26   #
Oldsalt wrote:
We can't keep an eye out for terrorist when people from over 160 countries are streaming across our Southern boarder by the thousands with absolutely no vetting. Not politically, not medically, not criminally. And if you (as a US citizen) say anything you are labeled a r****t. If it were up to me the people streaming across our boarder would be turned around by force of arms by patriots of this country. And the Administration in its entirety would be impeached for treason. It is the job of the Federal Government to defend and protect the boarders of the 50 states,it is the prime duty before everything else.
We can't keep an eye out for terrorist when people... (show quote)

Well said!!! 👍👍👍👍👍

Can you imagine how contorted the left would be if it was Trump keeping our border wide open?!!

They’d be talking about capital punishment for him!!
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Dec 12, 2023 21:04:38   #
Ri-chard wrote:
What I heard in some early interviews, not all the VAXs were alike some zip codes got the bad experimental shots others were inert. I pray your family members were spared.

Thank you!! And likewise - I will pray for yours! 🙂
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