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Mar 12, 2019 13:50:03   #
Rose42 wrote:
Arrogance, p***e and ego are not rare. Neither is constantly disparaging others. You believe you use the best sources but fail to see that sometimes your thinking is narrow.


Yes, so narrow that I only believe what alt-right media tells me, oh wait, that isn't me, that would be you.
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Mar 12, 2019 13:44:27   #
maximus wrote:
Your welcome. I want only the t***h.


As should we all.
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Mar 12, 2019 05:24:05   #
maximus wrote:
I did some background research and this is what I found. Two news sources disproved the story, Three had proof and two were suspicious of Omar because she didn't respond for quite some time. There are twice as many for as against. I wasn't surprised that NO MSM outlet even mentioned the story, rumor, wh**ever you want to call it. She is their rock star right now.
This one thing is proven though; there is mo divorce on record for the UK man she legally married. She said they divorced per their faith. That might be OK with Alla, but not for the American legal system. In effect, she is legally married to one man and living with another. Whether or not he is her brother, that's pretty far out there. I mean look at all the hoopla raised about Trump having sex with a s**t 10 years ago while this senator is married to one man while living with and having children with another man. No big deal for Hollywooders or maybe some others, but it's a pretty big deal for the US Congress. PLUS, she is a r****t. Now, that's all we heard there for a while about Trump, but her r****m is no rumor. AND she refuses to apologize for it. Look at all the people who have went down the tubes over r****m since Trumps e******n, yet she suffers nothing for it.
I will give you this; it's possible and "maybe" likely that the man she is living with is NOT her husband, but enough people are convinced of it that I have to say I'm divided about it.
One source said there was no marriage certificate for her and the UK man, but another source says there is. She says that she and the UK man got a license but never used it. The she says she IS married but is working on a divorce. How many versions of the facts are we going to find here?
I'll say this, if she IS married, she should get a legal divorce and then marry the man she is living with to be respectable in the eyes of the nation.
While she may NOT be married to her brother, there is certainly enough reasonable doubt amid all the versions she herself has given, that I am comfortable in repeating the story. Prove me wrong and I'll retract my statements and apologize to you.

After I posted this, I saw that she indeed WAS married legally and has divorced and married the man she is living with. Neither was her brother, which I said was possible and maybe likely, but the rest of my statements were true it seems. I said I was divided on the brother thing, and the sources I used were wrong, making me wrong and I retract that part of my statements.
It was a 3 part story and I was right on 2 parts of it, but if you feel that I owe you the apology I promised, just let me know and I'll do as I said.
I did some background research and this is what I ... (show quote)


Oh, I also would like to thank you for doing the research and admitting to your mistake. It takes courage to admit when you are wrong, I appreciate that.
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Mar 12, 2019 05:16:07   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
To my knowledge Trump's campaign was surveilled by the past administration...
I believe that Trump's original tweet about this used quotation marks around the term 'tapped'...
Not a conspiracy theory.. Although people often mix up the terminology...

Do you believe that the past Administration surveilled Teump and his campaign?

And no... I can't see why you would lash out...
Maximus has been nothing but civil to you (on this thread at least) and has offered his opinion and understanding of the facts...
I watch only Fox and MSNBC (both rarely) But I have heard of these incidents... Articles I usually end up doing more research, But the tapping of Trump tower was not one of the topics that evoked my interest...
To my knowledge Trump's campaign was surveilled by... (show quote)



Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Do you believe that the past Administration surveilled Teump and his campaign?


No, I do not, even Trump's claim that Obama tapped Trump tower was proven false and no other valid allegations have surfaced so... No, I have no reason to think that they did.

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
And no... I can't see why you would lash out...
Maximus has been nothing but civil to you (on this thread at least) and has offered his opinion and understanding of the facts...
I watch only Fox and MSNBC (both rarely) But I have heard of these incidents... Articles I usually end up doing more research, But the tapping of Trump tower was not one of the topics that evoked my interest...


I typically watch neither of those two, neither can be taken at face value, BOTH must be fact checked. While Maximus has been quite civil... It is like they have a Gatling gun and that Gatling gun is loaded with a bandolier and that bandolier is loaded with propaganda, conspiracy theories and lies, all the various right wing rhetoric and I no sooner shoot down one fallacy and they fire off another at me, they never seem to fact check any of the right wing rhetoric, they just take it all as fact and go about spreading these salacious rumors to everyone that will listen to that rhetoric. How do we combat the constant barrage of disinformation if so many are passing it out like candy? The more people hear these lies, the more they believe they MUST be true if so many people "know" them to be true.

Is it too much to ask that people do their due diligence and check the validity of these salacious rumors BEFORE handing them out as fact? I will say this though, at least Maximus has the decency to investigate if you call them on it, that is much more than I can say for the majority of those passing these salacious rumors out as if they were facts. I am one that prefers discussing t***hs and facts. Many t***hs and facts can be seen differently by honest people because it is all in one's interpretation of the given facts as for what they will believe that the facts tell them, but at least it is facts that you are dealing with, not salacious rumors.

I understand that I am a rare breed, I am one that seems to be more affected by lies than others. I just wish everyone would be more interested in facts and t***hs than most seem to be. If a story seems "too good to be true" it likely is, the best thing to do is if it comes off as too "juicy" investigate it before passing it along, one is less likely to come off as a fool if they resist the urge to promote lies.
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Mar 12, 2019 04:10:56   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Being labeled is obnoxious...
I have never viewed you as alt-right... More of an alright sort of fella


Do you see what I am dealing with? Can you see why I get frustrated to the point that I just start lashing out at all these people pushing conspiracy theory? By the way, do you see center-right media pushing these conspiracy theories? Nope, it is alt-right media that pushes them, since Maximus is hitting on all these alt-right conspiracy theories, I think it is safe to assume that they get their information from alt-right sources and are themselves likely alt-right as well.
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Mar 12, 2019 04:04:59   #
maximus wrote:
Here's the quandary...I don't believe that the Obama ordered wire tap was a legitimate investigation because Obama denied it, AND the wire tap was illegal. Never...ever...has it come to light that a sitting president ordered an illegal wire tap on a p**********l candidate or had loyal followers be a plant in the president elects cabinet.
Also I'm not alt right, BTW. You believe that you seek the right sources and what you find is correct, and I feel the same way. I DO watch Lester Holt, IMO is as crooked as a dogs hind leg, for my liberal views, and sometimes I can watch a little of CNN, but not for long as they ARE the h**e wagon.
The question is who says that your "facts" are correct and mine are not, and vice versa, who says that my "facts" are right and yours are wrong. We each have to believe what we trust in our hearts is true.
Here's the quandary...I don't believe that the Oba... (show quote)


Again with the propaganda, do your research, THERE WAS NO WIRE TAP ON TRUMP TOWER, PERIOD! Ditch your current source of information, you are being fed LIES! When I get the FACTS from multiple RELIABLE sources, then yeah, they are FACTS. Simple litmus test for you, if the headline/content of article seem too salacious, it is probably LIES! T***h tends to be more mediocre and tame. There are exceptions to EVERY rule but it is usually a pretty good rule of thumb. No, Madonna didn't have Elvis' love child, Michael Jackson died, he wasn't abducted by aliens, Jimmy Hoffa is very likely dead.
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Mar 12, 2019 03:57:19   #
proud republican wrote:
Prove it wasnt tapped...Words are cheap,CSM!!!...Where is your proof??


Look it up, even Devin Nunes, you know, the Republican house member that provided information on an investigation on Trump to Trump's administration, a clear no-no, a true Trump supporter, He even admitted that there was no wire tapping of Trump towers. Of course right after he delivered that report to Trump, Trump used that report to claim that he was vindicated, that Trump towers WAS actually bugged.

https://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2017/03/19/intelligence-committee-chairman-nunes-trump-tower-not-physically-wiretapped-video/

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-03-15/devin-nunes-no-evidence-to-back-donald-trumps-wiretapping-claims

Two conservative news sources to confirm my claim, since we know if it doesn't come from right wing sources, obviously it is "f**e news". The Redstate article is the newer of the 2 and more detailed since more details were known by it's print time than the article from 4 days earlier in the USnews article.

The article I read, dated one day later, I won't bother showing you that one, it is obviously "f**e news" since it was a center-left news source. It had even more detail and Devin Nunes explaining about the fact that actual Trump tower communications having actually been "trapped" and Trump campaign officials having been "unmasked" due to the communications haven taken place with a person of interest under surveillance, oops, they should have been more selective of who they talked with huh? Of course that is "f**e news" since it is from a center-left news source.


I love how many (if not ALL) "righties", they so readily believe anything that fits their narrative, if it doesn't, that is the only time they seem to demand proof. Me, I prefer proof if the story comes off as "too juicy" period. I will admit, I too am picky about what sources I will acknowledge as real, I only like more centered sources, left, right, I don't care much as long as they are more "centered", ALL other sources MUST be fact checked, PERIOD!
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Mar 12, 2019 03:28:50   #
maximus wrote:
I did some background research and this is what I found. Two news sources disproved the story, Three had proof and two were suspicious of Omar because she didn't respond for quite some time. There are twice as many for as against. I wasn't surprised that NO MSM outlet even mentioned the story, rumor, wh**ever you want to call it. She is their rock star right now.
This one thing is proven though; there is mo divorce on record for the UK man she legally married. She said they divorced per their faith. That might be OK with Alla, but not for the American legal system. In effect, she is legally married to one man and living with another. Whether or not he is her brother, that's pretty far out there. I mean look at all the hoopla raised about Trump having sex with a s**t 10 years ago while this senator is married to one man while living with and having children with another man. No big deal for Hollywooders or maybe some others, but it's a pretty big deal for the US Congress. PLUS, she is a r****t. Now, that's all we heard there for a while about Trump, but her r****m is no rumor. AND she refuses to apologize for it. Look at all the people who have went down the tubes over r****m since Trumps e******n, yet she suffers nothing for it.
I will give you this; it's possible and "maybe" likely that the man she is living with is NOT her husband, but enough people are convinced of it that I have to say I'm divided about it.
One source said there was no marriage certificate for her and the UK man, but another source says there is. She says that she and the UK man got a license but never used it. The she says she IS married but is working on a divorce. How many versions of the facts are we going to find here?
I'll say this, if she IS married, she should get a legal divorce and then marry the man she is living with to be respectable in the eyes of the nation.
While she may NOT be married to her brother, there is certainly enough reasonable doubt amid all the versions she herself has given, that I am comfortable in repeating the story. Prove me wrong and I'll retract my statements and apologize to you.

After I posted this, I saw that she indeed WAS married legally and has divorced and married the man she is living with. Neither was her brother, which I said was possible and maybe likely, but the rest of my statements were true it seems. I said I was divided on the brother thing, and the sources I used were wrong, making me wrong and I retract that part of my statements.
It was a 3 part story and I was right on 2 parts of it, but if you feel that I owe you the apology I promised, just let me know and I'll do as I said.
I did some background research and this is what I ... (show quote)


Those making the false allegations are the alt-right media and those that believe the alt-right media, some of the very media that should NEVER be believed, same goes for alt-left media. The only real t***h you will actually find is all from center-left/center/center-right media sources, they do a decent job in fact checking, the more extreme media sources do not, in fact, they seem to prefer the juicier less t***hful, less fact based news. Those that read/watch the more extreme media sources, both from the left AND the right, those are the ones with less t***h and fact to support their claims since their media sources give them little if any real t***h or facts. Stick to the more centered media and you will be far better informed with actual facts and t***h. If news is not based on facts and t***h, it is not real information, it is garbage information. One of the ways to help you avoid the "garbage information" the juicier the headline, the more likely it isn't based on true facts, the more "tame" the headline, the more likely you will find the real news contained within.

As for her r****m, yes, she has made some r****ts remarks, but then so has Trump and the right backs him, not saying that I back her mind you, just that what is good for the goose is good for the gander. The Justice department filed suit against Trump, his father and their company back in 1973 for Donald Trump discriminated against certain tenants and potential tenants based on race.

https://www.clearinghouse.net/detail.php?id=15342

During the period in question, 1973, Donald Trump was the president of Trump management (the company Fred Trump founded and passed onto his son, Donald) and it is claimed that Donald Trump was a very hands on president of the company, that he managed even very minute details of the company right down to what tenants to accept and/or decline. There has been other evidence over the years where Donald Trump has proven that he is in fact r****t, comments he makes, tweets he posts, but that right there is enough evidence for now.

You claim three points but I only pick up two, unless your third is the fact that she is Muslim. We should not condemn her based on religion.
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Mar 12, 2019 02:33:07   #
Seth wrote:
These facts are true, have been established. I do believe that somewhere along the line, at President Trump's pleasure, some chickens will be coming home to roost.


No, it was proven that Trump tower was NOT tapped when no taps were found. I believe that he made that claim either because he personally knew that there was communication between his campaign and Russian interests or that someone within the campaign suggested to Trump that he thought the lines were tapped due to the FBI having information that the person thought could only have come from tapping Trump tower lines. Either way, no taps were found though almost immediately after the investigation started is when Trump went on his tirade claiming the Democrats tapped Trump tower lines, in any case, that myth was debunked when it no taps were discovered.
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Mar 12, 2019 02:27:01   #
maximus wrote:
Ohhh...I don't know about government sources being factual where Trump is concerned. It's pretty far alt left for a sitting president to order an illegal wire tap on a p**********l candidate, and for the CIA and FBI to take part in an investigation to take down the president elect, for a judge to issue a FISA on an unproven document obtained from a foreign agent from another foreign (Russian) agent, was paid for by the Democratic party. You won't find any of this on those particular government sources. I got this information from various sources and I trust that it is true. That being said, can ANYONE prove that I'm wrong? Show me your proof. If I'm wrong, I will retract my statements and apologize for spreading false facts.
Ohhh...I don't know about government sources being... (show quote)


No, alt-right to claim that they have been tapped when that myth was debunked long ago, there were no wire taps at Trump tower.
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Mar 12, 2019 01:37:11   #
maximus wrote:
Facts are arbitrary. I have posted some facts that I was sure were correct and true, only to be called out on them, and then further research proved me to be wrong. I retracted my false "facts". If I'm wrong, I WANT to be called out because I want only the t***h. All lefties tell the tale about Trump not trusting the CIA and the FBI. When you just throw it out there, it sounds bad. The thing they fail to mention is that BOTH agencies were actively involved in spying by electronics, by infiltrating Trump's cabinet, all on orders and loyalty to a past president from the opposing party. That changes things. Trump was saying that he could trust Putin more than his own intelligence agencies, because they were working against him. Both statements are true, but the second of these 2 statements turn #1 from a fools jibber, to a man stating that he is well aware of sabotage going on in his shadow by the very agents who are expected to back him without political influence, and that, no, he doesn't trust them. Now, the l*****ts,concerning this thread, are saying that THEY have the true facts. When you say only that Trump said he trusted Putin but not his intelligence agencies, you are telling only half of the story. Maybe not even half because a past president started it, almost all high ranking officials in the CIA, FBI, and DOJ were involved in it, and add to that, the DNC hired a foreign agent to get a dossier from another foreign agent, namely a Russian. They paid for this false document. A judge granted a FISA even though none of the statements were vetted. Even individual agents were involved in the plot.
I didn't say all this to try to insult ANYBODY on either side of the aisle, but IMHO, these actions were not only illegal, they were treasonous!
Now, there are lots of thing to argue ( or debate) concerning Trump, but this one situation is more than enough to establish a pattern. I believe that there are facts that are reliable to back up my statements. I won't post them because we have all read about it. What I ask the left is this...can any of you prove that I am wrong? If I see your proof, I will retract my statements. If you can't prove me wrong, will you admit it?
Facts are arbitrary. I have posted some facts that... (show quote)



maximus wrote:
Now, there are lots of thing to argue ( or debate) concerning Trump, but this one situation is more than enough to establish a pattern. I believe that there are facts that are reliable to back up my statements. I won't post them because we have all read about it.


No, we have not ALL read it, many of us avoid extreme bias media sources. Yes, the FBI IS conducting an investigation on Trump, that investigation was not started as a political assassination as you claim, but based on actual concerns that came up during Trump's p**********l campaign trail, it stated BEFORE the Steele dossier which regardless what your alt-right media sources told you, was a legitimate investigation conducted by a ex-foreign intelligence agent with an excellent record for discovering the facts, came to light, that investigation wasn't even completed nor any of it's findings released when the investigation into Trump was started. There were legitimate concerns about Trump and his Russian contacts because our country, as with other countries, we keep tabs on known persons of interest, these "tabs" sometimes include listening in on telephone conversations. During normal monitoring of some of these "persons of interest", conversations with the Trump campaign were discovered, likely the reason that Trump went nuts about his assertion that the Democrats had Trump tower phones tapped, because our intelligence community knew things they shouldn't have known if his phones weren't tapped, or in actuality, those that Trump campaign officials were contacting were the ones that actually had their phones tapped by our agencies. That was the trigger for these investigations, NOT the Steele dossier, Not the non-existent line taps on Trump tower phones, line taps on his Russian contact's phone lines.

I recommend trying out these more centered, less far right media sources for actual facts rather than the "facts" your alt-right media sources try to feed you, the stories may be less sensational, but they will be based on actual facts, not rhetoric, propaganda, conspiracy theories and lies. For the news you want (if you want actual t***hs and facts) would be center-right media, it will give you the Republican lean without all the propaganda.
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Mar 12, 2019 01:02:31   #
Seth wrote:
Which pretty well describes the left. At leftie blogs, for example, one sees, in the comment sections, scores of "progressives" preaching to the choir, but when a conservative types in a comment it is deleted and the conservative is banned from future commenting.

Go figure.


I wouldn't know much about that, I typically don't venture too far into the alt-left, just like I avoid the alt-right. The t***h isn't in the alt-left or the alt-right sites, the t***h is best achieved from the center-most sources. That is what I have pushed for, the t***h, being more centered. Facts and t***h should be the goal of any thinking man, we should all know that the further you head into either extreme, the less t***h you will find.
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Mar 12, 2019 00:31:35   #
Seth wrote:
And for all that "center" media and aloof points of view, your every utterance seems to take the perspective of the far left.

There was another commenter who, like you, "camouf**ged" his leftism with an almost identical brand of pontification, but the homogeneous context of his arguments rendered his persona utterly t***sparent very quickly.

Don't worry, I have an uncle who is a gated community "progressive," and I've heard it all from him. Same far left perspective delivered in disguise as "impartial, reasonable views."

Wh**ever floats your boat, I guess.

One thing I like about my fellow conservatives is that we tend to be more plain spoken and less surreptitious about who we are.
And for all that "center" media and aloo... (show quote)


If you say so, I post facts, usually gotten from the "horse's mouth", government sites, are you saying actual facts attained from government sites are left leaning? It is true, the facts do tend to contradict alt right propaganda, that doesn't mean is is far left rhetoric, just that facts may support certain "talking points" of the left. I guess we can look at one possible take away from that, perhaps the "left talking points" are based on actual facts. If that is the case, doesn't that give one pause to wonder why your media sources argue against those "talking points"?

I have found many "alt-right talking points" on many right wing web sites that so badly distorted their "facts", facts so easily verified from reliable sources such as government sources for governmental stats, or actual interviews where the alt-right mis-quotes statements from Democrats where you go watch the interview and you see what/where they took comments out of context, they just know their patrons won't fact check them since it is what they want to hear. This is why I recommend getting your information from more centered media sources, you are more likely to get the t***h, rather than the rhetoric, propaganda, conspiracy theories and outright lies that many are currently buying into no questions asked.
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Mar 12, 2019 00:15:21   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Of course...
Yet not all of us are capable of carefully measuring our words...
My philosophy has always been "don't break the law asshole"... But I have experienced problems due to ignorance or bias (I live in China remember )


Yeah, there are some crazy outdated laws everywhere, some were useless when enacted even.
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Mar 12, 2019 00:01:53   #
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Ideally... Yes


Let's just say that someone were to misstep during the "interrogation" on the stand, the prosecutor still has the burden of proof, he has to prove that you actually lied when your perjury trial comes up. It would suck, it will cost thousands of dollars out of pocket but then all that could be saved by measured words.
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