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Sep 27, 2013 10:07:30   #
Homestead
 
Molly wrote:
Which failure in life is that exactly? What are you talking about? I am actually quite successful in my life so wtf are you talking about?

bmac- first off your post shows me how little you know about how healthcare has already had to raise its standards to comply. It is about health care and it is about being insured.. its got a lot of both. Second- I have worked at least one job since I was 15. I have worked hard.. completed 5 years of college while working 2-3 jobs so that I could take care of my family. One weird crazy diagnosis later and I am facing losing my job. Shit happens.. and its easy to say everyone should be able to provide for that but thats not real life.

oldroy- we don't ask about guns or bank accounts... another of your hare brained theories shot down. I don't even know what to say to someone who lives so far out of touch with reality. Don't get me wrong- your world sounds very imaginative. However, you need to come back down to what is and not just what you can think up.
Which failure in life is that exactly? What are yo... (show quote)


Listen, no-nothing:
obviously you have never read what was in the bill! Nor do you understand that 2/3 of ObamaCare has not been implemented yet.
The bill itself was about three thousand pages and so far there have been ten thousand pages of amendments and regulation written for it, with more coming.

This is video that tells you about the requirement that doctors ask you about your guns.

WATCH Obamacare Requires Doctors To Ask You About Your Guns!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-obamacare-requires-doctors-ask-guns/

This is how they've been treating our veterans.
FULL INTERVIEW- VA Psychiatrist Exposes National Gun Confiscation Program
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ppVC6cTpxY

Since you obviously let the media do your thinking for you and you don't check anything out for yourself, I'm giving you the link, (below), to the story mentioned in the link above.

Veteran’s Guns Confiscated After Forced ‘Psychiatric Evaluation’
http://www.infowars.com/veterans-guns-confiscated-after-forced-psychiatric-evaluation/

As to ObamaCare having access to your bank account???????............

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!

Here's a news flash for you........................

OBAMACARE is run by the IRS.

They already have your financial information and they are going to use it to find out if you've followed the law.

You are not just required to have insurance, but, you must have insurance that meets the governments requirements and what you have to meet, depends on what your worth.

You have done nothing to educate yourself about ObamaCare and at this point there is no excuse for it. Those of us that have spent, in inordinate amount of time deciphering the hell, that this administration has fostered on us, are not going to stand by while you keep your head stuck in the ground.

This attitude that you have that nothing exists until you know about it, will not stand, get your f**king head out of your a*s.

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Sep 27, 2013 10:33:52   #
vernon
 
Molly wrote:
bmac.. you know nothing about me. This could easily effect everything about my life.. especially since I work in health care.. especially because I need brain surgery next month and may have some serious issues following that. You don't know me.. or my situation.

I am not saying it will work. I don't know that it will.. but I also don't know that it won't. This could effect my health care and my livelihood. I know there is risk. But this bill wasn't created in a vacuum. Many people with more education than I have worked on this. They looked at every area and they put in work to make sure it did work. He didn't just sit down at a desk and start guessing. Already there are areas that have needed tweaked.. and those areas need addressed. There will be areas that don't work and once the facts support that changes will be made. This is is signature legislation... he wants it to work because it is his legacy. If it doesn't work then his legacy will be tarnished forever.. so what makes you think he is out to make it fail? That doesn't make any sense.

If it fails I will be right there trying to make sure I elect people who will fix it. But until then the rest is speculation... people responded this way to social security and medicare too. But when they get their social security checks or are able to get care if their world falls apart.. they sure aren't complaining now.
bmac.. you know nothing about me. This could easil... (show quote)


your last sentence tell it all .fdr created a govt that every one is dependent on govt it is really serious what happens when in the future our dictator decides certain people or races are not covered.

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Sep 27, 2013 11:29:33   #
vernon
 
[quote=DennisDee]Also look into what the insurance companies have done(?) for doctors: Inordinately high premiums; limiting the amount of time spent with each client, for openers. They've changed the doctors' visits into assembly lines. HUH?

Don't like waiting lines? Wait till Obamacare is in full force.

well alicia you go ahead and get 100 dol.a month obama care but you might have a problem with the 6,000 $ perpay butyou know you situation

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Sep 27, 2013 11:37:13   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Beat ya, started at 13 making pizza boxes, sweeping floor, gringing cheece and stocking cooler. My parent were of you want it you pay for if also bought all my school clothes from 15.
Raising what standards? You mean when your rate goes up but your care goes down? Sure if you had no insurance it's an upgrade but that doesn't mean it's good insurance. Maybe I don't know the inner working of health care but I'm looking out for my family.

50 years old is sort of early for the first stroke but I manage to return to work and worked for another 3 years.Then they decided I wasn't getting enought blood to my heart so a stent was put in only to have it completely cloug the day I was to return to work.

Molly wrote:
Which failure in life is that exactly? What are you talking about? I am actually quite successful in my life so wtf are you talking about?

bmac- first off your post shows me how little you know about how healthcare has already had to raise its standards to comply. It is about health care and it is about being insured.. its got a lot of both. Second- I have worked at least one job since I was 15. I have worked hard.. completed 5 years of college while working 2-3 jobs so that I could take care of my family. One weird crazy diagnosis later and I am facing losing my job. Shit happens.. and its easy to say everyone should be able to provide for that but thats not real life.

oldroy- we don't ask about guns or bank accounts... another of your hare brained theories shot down. I don't even know what to say to someone who lives so far out of touch with reality. Don't get me wrong- your world sounds very imaginative. However, you need to come back down to what is and not just what you can think up.
Which failure in life is that exactly? What are yo... (show quote)

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Sep 27, 2013 11:52:17   #
Molly
 
Homestead wrote:
Listen, no-nothing:
obviously you have never read what was in the bill! Nor do you understand that 2/3 of ObamaCare has not been implemented yet.
The bill itself was about three thousand pages and so far there have been ten thousand pages of amendments and regulation written for it, with more coming.

This is video that tells you about the requirement that doctors ask you about your guns.

WATCH Obamacare Requires Doctors To Ask You About Your Guns!
http://www.westernjournalism.com/watch-obamacare-requires-doctors-ask-guns/

This is how they've been treating our veterans.
FULL INTERVIEW- VA Psychiatrist Exposes National Gun Confiscation Program
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ppVC6cTpxY

Since you obviously let the media do your thinking for you and you don't check anything out for yourself, I'm giving you the link, (below), to the story mentioned in the link above.

Veteran’s Guns Confiscated After Forced ‘Psychiatric Evaluation’
http://www.infowars.com/veterans-guns-confiscated-after-forced-psychiatric-evaluation/

As to ObamaCare having access to your bank account???????............

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!!!!!!!

Here's a news flash for you........................

OBAMACARE is run by the IRS.

They already have your financial information and they are going to use it to find out if you've followed the law.

You are not just required to have insurance, but, you must have insurance that meets the governments requirements and what you have to meet, depends on what your worth.

You have done nothing to educate yourself about ObamaCare and at this point there is no excuse for it. Those of us that have spent, in inordinate amount of time deciphering the hell, that this administration has fostered on us, are not going to stand by while you keep your head stuck in the ground.

This attitude that you have that nothing exists until you know about it, will not stand, get your f**king head out of your a*s.
Listen, no-nothing: br obviously you have never re... (show quote)


You get so worked up. Let me use little words. I work in health care and we have had to raise our standard of care under this law. We have been financially charged with doing so... like we don't get paid if we don't. That might be something YOU don't know.If there is such a thing as something you DON'T KNOW

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Sep 27, 2013 11:58:51   #
VladimirPee
 
So far my experience has been negative. From the cap on Flex Spending to the increases in my premiums. Then of course in order to meet the requirements of Obamacare we had raise deductibles and out of pocket costs in order to make our plan affordable. So far this is a disaster

Molly wrote:
You get so worked up. Let me use little words. I work in health care and we have had to raise our standard of care under this law. We have been financially charged with doing so... like we don't get paid if we don't. That might be something YOU don't know.If there is such a thing as something you DON'T KNOW

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Sep 27, 2013 11:58:52   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
[quote=vernon]
DennisDee wrote:
Also look into what the insurance companies have done(?) for doctors: Inordinately high premiums; limiting the amount of time spent with each client, for openers. They've changed the doctors' visits into assembly lines. HUH?

Don't like waiting lines? Wait till Obamacare is in full force.

well alicia you go ahead and get 100 dol.a month obama care but you might have a problem with the 6,000 $ perpay butyou know you situation


In life we come to forks in the road. We can choose to take ether fork not know what is down ether road. But we can assume that someone has gone down these roads before.

Now we have to guess as to which road is best. Is it the road that leads to Obamacare or the road that leads to more costly health care with no changes.? The road we have been on.

Or should we just go off road in any old direction?

Good or bad the road to Obamacare seems the safest choice.

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Sep 27, 2013 12:08:34   #
VladimirPee
 
OBAMACARE is safe for who? Certainly not for me. Its forcing insane premium increases on me.


Floyd Brown wrote:
In life we come to forks in the road. We can choose to take ether fork not know what is down ether road. But we can assume that someone has gone down these roads before.

Now we have to guess as to which road is best. Is it the road that leads to Obamacare or the road that leads to more costly health care with no changes.? The road we have been on.

Or should we just go off road in any old direction?

Good or bad the road to Obamacare seems the safest choice.

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Sep 27, 2013 12:20:30   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
DennisDee wrote:
OBAMACARE is safe for who? Certainly not for me. Its forcing insane premium increases on me.


So just what has been happening in the past for health care.

I haven't heard that health care has been getting cheaper or better have you?

Obama care is a hope. If the house had not put in a bunch of junk it might have been okay.

I for one would not risk shutting down the government to get rid of it. Those politicians making noise about shutting down government over this will soon be looking for new work.

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Sep 27, 2013 12:23:04   #
VladimirPee
 
Premiums were going up. But now on top of it my deductible doubled and my out of pocket tripled. The cap on Flex Spend Accounts cost me an extra $700 in taxes THIS year already. The Pelosi Congress wrote this disaster


Floyd Brown wrote:
So just what has been happening in the past for health care.

I haven't heard that health care has been getting cheaper or better have you?

Obama care is a hope. If the house had not put in a bunch of junk it might have been okay.

I for one would hot risk shutting down the government to get rid of it. Those politicians making noise about shutting down government over this will soon be looking for new work.

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Sep 27, 2013 12:26:10   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Think premiums are high now just wait for 2015 or 2016.


DennisDee wrote:
Premiums were going up. But now on top of it my deductible doubled and my out of pocket tripled. The cap on Flex Spend Accounts cost me an extra $700 in taxes THIS year already. The Pelosi Congress wrote this disaster

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Sep 27, 2013 12:26:39   #
Homestead
 
Molly wrote:
You get so worked up. Let me use little words. I work in health care and we have had to raise our standard of care under this law. We have been financially charged with doing so... like we don't get paid if we don't. That might be something YOU don't know.If there is such a thing as something you DON'T KNOW


Before Obama was even nominated for running for president, Dick Morris wrote a book called Fleeced.

He pointed out that ObamaCare was HillaryCare and he would know, because, he was a Clinton advisor during Clinton’s Presidency.

He went through a lot of facts, but, I'll keep it simple for you, since you seem to be having trouble concentrating. So I'll stick with two.


He said, there are only so many hospitals that are built right now, ObamaCare does not build any more.

There are only so many doctors that are staffing those hospitals right now, ObamaCare does not create more doctors.

Obama is also trying to flood this country with over thirty million new illegal aliens that are going to be covered under the new ObamaCare.


Just how do you think that is going to work out????

In 2012, the AMA only approved thirteen new licenses for doctors. that doesn't even replace the number of doctors who retired that year.

We have already seen the posts from doctors who have retired early and are leaving the country do to ObamaCare.

Before Obama was nominated for presidency, he said that, "you can't demand that people buy insurance they can't afford." He said, "if we could do that we could demand that everyone has to buy a house."

I can write a law that says, "You shall flap your arms and fly to work," as a means to solve transportation problems.
That doesn't mean that I just solved the transportation problem.

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Sep 27, 2013 12:35:35   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
DennisDee wrote:
Premiums were going up. But now on top of it my deductible doubled and my out of pocket tripled. The cap on Flex Spend Accounts cost me an extra $700 in taxes THIS year already. The Pelosi Congress wrote this disaster


The thing that brings me to voicing my opinion here is that the state of affairs in this country & around the would is that too few people have too big of an impact on issues affecting us. Others make the rules & we are made to follow them. A lot of the rules are good for some & harmful to others.

Being what I would feel we are here is a bunch of reasonable people we should be able to asses the issues & offer decent answers.

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Sep 27, 2013 12:35:46   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Dick is one democrat who cares. Read 'Fleeced' and was amazed at the Clinton agenda vs the agenda of today, basically the same only with more new taxes.


Homestead wrote:
Before Obama was even nominated for running for president, Dick Morris wrote a book called Fleeced.

He pointed out that ObamaCare was HillaryCare and he would know, because, he was a Clinton advisor during Clinton’s Presidency.

He went through a lot of facts, but, I'll keep it simple for you, since you seem to be having trouble concentrating. So I'll stick with two.


He said, there are only so many hospitals that are built right now, ObamaCare does not build any more.

There are only so many doctors that are staffing those hospitals right now, ObamaCare does not create more doctors.

Obama is also trying to flood this country with over thirty million new illegal aliens that are going to be covered under the new ObamaCare.


Just how do you think that is going to work out????

In 2012, the AMA only approved thirteen new licenses for doctors. that doesn't even replace the number of doctors who retired that year.

We have already seen the posts from doctors who have retired early and are leaving the country do to ObamaCare.

Before Obama was nominated for presidency, he said that, "you can't demand that people buy insurance they can't afford." He said, "if we could do that we could demand that everyone has to buy a house."

I can write a law that says, "You shall flap your arms and fly to work," as a means to solve transportation problems.
That doesn't mean that I just solved the transportation problem.
Before Obama was even nominated for running for pr... (show quote)

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Sep 27, 2013 13:07:12   #
Homestead
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
So just what has been happening in the past for health care.

I haven't heard that health care has been getting cheaper or better have you?

Obama care is a hope. If the house had not put in a bunch of junk it might have been okay.

I for one would not risk shutting down the government to get rid of it. Those politicians making noise about shutting down government over this will soon be looking for new work.



Health care wasn't getting cheaper, your wrong about it's not getting better, but, it wasn't getting cheaper, because, of the socialist policies that were interfering with capitalism and the free market.

The only licensing agency for doctors is the AMA. They deliberately keep the number of doctors below what's needed, because, the resulting shortage keeps their incomes high. When you can get them to admit it they tell you they are just looking after their members, because, it cost soooooo much to become a doctor. They never talk about the individuals who have also spent the money, time and intern ship who are denied their licenses, but, still have the bills to pay for their education.


A farmer who only grew wheat on his farm for the bread that he ate at his table, had to abide by the rules for interstate commerce, because somehow, some day his wheat might somehow be sold across state lines.

But, insurance that people are looking for and want is forbidden to be sold across state lines, even if they find a policy that they want in another state.


In an area that has a lot of water front, you will find marinas. Many people that have bought their first marina, for the first time has figured out that most of the profit in the marina is in new boat sales and summer slip rentals. The carpenter shop and the mechanic shop, barley break even, if at all. So the new owners want to eliminate all departments that don't make tones of money.

The funny thing is, that people buy boats to use them. If they can't get them fixed or afford to fix them, then they don't want them. New boats don't get sold and then there's no reason to buy a summer slip rental.

Like it or not there is a cost of doing business that goes along with every business. There may be things and services that you don't make as much money on, but, eliminate them and your customers go elsewhere.
In capitalism, to remain competitive, you have to provide what your customers need whether you want to or not. Otherwise they will go to someone who does or someone will start a new company that does.

In this country, Drug companies don't want to produce certain drugs that people need, because, they say there is not a big enough profit margin in it.
Under capitalism, this is not a problem, because a smaller company that wants to get bigger would take it over and produce it.
The greedy companies would lose customers, over time and change their policy or go under.

But, because, this country is run by socialist and no-nothing voters, we no longer operate that way.

Now whenever a drug company threatens to cancel a product, we don't look to see if we've over regulated the industry, stopping new companies to forming that could take up the slack.......No, No, No! What we do now is subsidize the drug companies using our tax dollars to reward them for their un-capitalistic, uncompetitive and un-American attitude.

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