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Oct 20, 2014 23:53:15   #
Yankee Clipper
 
Alicia wrote:
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Homosexuals did not give that label to themselves. It was a demeaning term awarded by heterosexuals who were afraid of any thinking or actions that did not coincide with their own. I can understand their using that term now that they've received equal status (actually not yet). They've won a battle (or part of it) and are feeling freed sufficiently to "come out of the closet."

Sorry, your excuse doesn't hold water. You too are equivocating marxism and socialism - why not add fascism to the others? After all, they're all "isms" of which you do not know the difference. Ma'am I did a thesis on Marxism in college and you have to look no farther than Barry Soetoro to see socialism and its ill effects on this country.
Your reference to our President is insulting. Why should I not have negative feelings toward you? If you were truly an American and lived by the truth of the purpose of this nation, you would never think of using such a reference to President Obama. Let the President show some respect while he earns the respect he craves. The problem is that he is a Marxist/democrat/socialist/commie/pinko bastard who respects nothing because of his ideology. The truth is that you have no self respect and have taken the easy way out by demeaning others "rather" than raising your own self-awareness. This last line is something I would expect from a "useful idiot commie" like yourself, the major has more class than you could muster on your best day.

Please, don't come to me with hat in hand and whine about how poorly I've treated you. Your motto should be "what, who me?" and you comport yourself exactly in accordance with that phrase. Wow, you just described yourself better than anyone else could have. Again you lose to Major Ahrens.

Have a lovely day. :roll: ;) ;)
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Oct 21, 2014 09:30:44   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
Alicia wrote:
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Homosexuals did not give that label to themselves. It was a demeaning term awarded by heterosexuals who were afraid of any thinking or actions that did not coincide with their own. I can understand their using that term now that they've received equal status (actually not yet). They've won a battle (or part of it) and are feeling freed sufficiently to "come out of the closet."

Sorry, your excuse doesn't hold water. You too are equivocating marxism and socialism - why not add fascism to the others? After all, they're all "isms" of which you do not know the difference. Your reference to our President is insulting. Why should I not have negative feelings toward you? If you were truly an American and lived by the truth of the purpose of this nation, you would never think of using such a reference to President Obama. The truth is that you have no self respect and have taken the easy way out by demeaning others "rather" than raising your own self-awareness.

Please, don't come to me with hat in hand and whine about how poorly I've treated you. Your motto should be "what, who me?" and you comport yourself exactly in accordance with that phrase.

Have a lovely day. :roll: ;) ;)
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I have noticed several times you refer to heterosexuals being afraid or fearful of homosexuals. If anything I feel pity for the confused bastards.
They have only lead to the downfall of every great civilization that adopted they're ways and considered such behavior acceptable. You do know history of Sodom, Rome, France( ;) ) still, right, or did you party take issue and change that too.
Perhaps I should feel pity on us.
Did you ever come up w/ something positive Obamas done for all American CITIZENS, not just a selected few? :hunf:

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Oct 21, 2014 09:35:08   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
the waker wrote:
I have noticed several times you refer to heterosexuals being afraid or fearful of homosexuals. If anything I feel pity for the confused bastards.
They have only lead to the downfall of every great civilization that adopted they're ways and considered such behavior acceptable. You do know history of Sodom, Rome, France( ;) ) still, right, or did you party take issue and change that too.
Perhaps I should feel pity on us.
Did you ever come up w/ something positive Obamas done for all American CITIZENS, not just a selected few? :hunf:
I have noticed several times you refer to heterose... (show quote)



You have that right on target.

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Oct 21, 2014 10:20:26   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
I get tired of posting this, so you conservatives would do us all a favor and stop claiming President Obama has done nothing. It has been a problem with all the right wing trying to stop any and all policies he champions...

This is only one of many lists, even a 30 second serch will find a number of them..


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all


Will only post a few of the 50 items, I have post all of the list several times and if you need another look at all 50, simply follow the link...


Features
March/ April 2012 Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

By Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu
Facebook Twitter Digg Reddit StumbleUpon Delicious

(Also check out the main article, The Incomplete Greatness of Barack Obama, and the issue’s Editor’s Note.)

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed

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Oct 21, 2014 10:25:31   #
Viet Nam Vet 67-68
 
Alicia wrote:
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Many of President Obama's successes have been stated on this forum but either you don't believe them (or are unwilling to research them) or you prefer to give credit to something else. Just so long as Obama doesn't get the credit. Please do, just once, access WH.gov and find out the reality. Over half the country does not have any objection to homosexuality, gay marriage or whatever. It is only narrow-minded people like you who think the "entire" structure is being upset. You are considering only your structure.

Change is difficult, especially if you've been inundated with set ideas. But you must be able to see that the world, including the U.S. is changing. If you don't keep up with it, you are left by the wayside. The young people are seeing much more clearly than those old farts who will avoid change as much as possible. The old have built a dam but the fluidity of the young will, of necessity, pull it apart for their own survival.

Ya gotta be with it, man! The only thing definite in life is change.
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Alicia, are you a relative ofr obamination?? Are you an idiot and can't see what he change is? Its Communism with Sharia Law mixed in, he's flooding this Country with ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO HATE THIS COUNTRY AND TERRORISTS WHO ARE GOING TO MURDER AMERICANS. Our Pravda Press has not reported hundreds of cases of terrorism in this Country because it would look bad for our Illegal Kenyuan Born Half Breed NOT BLACK for your information who is a Marxist Sunni Muslim. He has personally stated that he would side with ISLAM if we went to war against Islam, that is not an American President. He has Buried this Country in an insurmountable Debt that we will not recover from. He has committed Treason so many times I have lot count, arming our enemies with arms and munitions and Billionsd of dollars in cash (our tax money) Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda all sworn enemies of America. He has lied since the first day in office and that is part of his Muslim Cult where he is allowed to Lie to the Infidels (US) about our Health Care, Fast and Furious, IRS targeting of Conservatives, BENGHAZI, targeting Americans and Murdering them with Drones, passing bills taking our rights from the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th a5th and 6th Amendments. Printing $4 Trillion Dollars of worthless money devaluing our dollar to $0.04 cents. Doubling Poverty, Food Stamps, Gasoline, 35% increase in food costs 46 Million people STILL out of work aqnd a president who wants to give Amnesty to 40 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO HOLD 13-15 MILLION AMERICAN JOBS. ICOULD CONTINUE BUT I DOUBT YOU NWILL CARE YOUR A LIB/MARXIST PROBABLY BLACK AND MUSLIM.

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Oct 21, 2014 14:46:59   #
Yankee Clipper
 
Viet Nam Vet 67-68 wrote:
Alicia, are you a relative ofr obamination?? Are you an idiot and can't see what he change is? Its Communism with Sharia Law mixed in, he's flooding this Country with ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO HATE THIS COUNTRY AND TERRORISTS WHO ARE GOING TO MURDER AMERICANS. Our Pravda Press has not reported hundreds of cases of terrorism in this Country because it would look bad for our Illegal Kenyuan Born Half Breed NOT BLACK for your information who is a Marxist Sunni Muslim. He has personally stated that he would side with ISLAM if we went to war against Islam, that is not an American President. He has Buried this Country in an insurmountable Debt that we will not recover from. He has committed Treason so many times I have lot count, arming our enemies with arms and munitions and Billionsd of dollars in cash (our tax money) Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda all sworn enemies of America. He has lied since the first day in office and that is part of his Muslim Cult where he is allowed to Lie to the Infidels (US) about our Health Care, Fast and Furious, IRS targeting of Conservatives, BENGHAZI, targeting Americans and Murdering them with Drones, passing bills taking our rights from the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th a5th and 6th Amendments. Printing $4 Trillion Dollars of worthless money devaluing our dollar to $0.04 cents. Doubling Poverty, Food Stamps, Gasoline, 35% increase in food costs 46 Million people STILL out of work aqnd a president who wants to give Amnesty to 40 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO HOLD 13-15 MILLION AMERICAN JOBS. ICOULD CONTINUE BUT I DOUBT YOU NWILL CARE YOUR A LIB/MARXIST PROBABLY BLACK AND MUSLIM.
Alicia, are you a relative ofr obamination?? Are ... (show quote)


While what you said is pretty much how it is, Alicia is blind, deaf and dumb. Because of her handicaps she has no idea what you're talking points mean. The good new is the rest of us liked your post.

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Oct 21, 2014 16:57:59   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
permafrost wrote:
I get tired of posting this, so you conservatives would do us all a favor and stop claiming President Obama has done nothing. It has been a problem with all the right wing trying to stop any and all policies he champions...

This is only one of many lists, even a 30 second serch will find a number of them..


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all


Will only post a few of the 50 items, I have post all of the list several times and if you need another look at all 50, simply follow the link...


Features
March/ April 2012 Obama’s Top 50 Accomplishments

By Paul Glastris, Ryan Cooper, and Siyu Hu
Facebook Twitter Digg Reddit StumbleUpon Delicious

(Also check out the main article, The Incomplete Greatness of Barack Obama, and the issue’s Editor’s Note.)

1. Passed Health Care Reform: After five presidents over a century failed to create universal health insurance, signed the Affordable Care Act (2010). It will cover 32 million uninsured Americans beginning in 2014 and mandates a suite of experimental measures to cut health care cost growth, the number one cause of America’s long-term fiscal problems.

2. Passed the Stimulus: Signed $787 billion American Recovery and Reinvestment Act in 2009 to spur economic growth amid greatest recession since the Great Depression. Weeks after stimulus went into effect, unemployment claims began to subside. Twelve months later, the private sector began producing more jobs than it was losing, and it has continued to do so for twenty-three straight months, creating a total of nearly 3.7 million new private-sector jobs.

3. Passed Wall Street Reform: Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (2010) to re-regulate the financial sector after its practices caused the Great Recession. The new law tightens capital requirements on large banks and other financial institutions, requires derivatives to be sold on clearinghouses and exchanges, mandates that large banks provide “living wills” to avoid chaotic bankruptcies, limits their ability to trade with customers’ money for their own profit, and creates the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (now headed
I get tired of posting this, so you conservatives ... (show quote)


Well I'm tired of debuting this so perhaps you progressives should pay attention:

1) universal health care has cost the tax payers close to a 850 million dollars to cover a quarter of the people that didn't have it before (15 million, some of which already had it)
The reason the last five presidents didn't touch it is because there was no way to justify the cost. Its simple arithmetic. Also still does nothing for those who go to the emergency who don't have insurance ( like the 65,000 illegals).

2) Passing out 787 billion dollars of our children's tax payer dollars to crony friends that got him elected and other various wasteful spending, did nothing but band aid the situation. True world wide economic indicators tell a different story.
Also how can you eliminate debt w/ more debt? Just what dollar amount do you believe our deficit has reached? Do you believe this to be sustainable?

3) Now as far as wall street, how repealed the Glass Steagal act that lead to the market collapse? No, not Bush. So really allObama did was put back into place the same regulations Clinton got rid of.
Not a lot to hang your hat on after 5 yrs, the fact is he pushes his agendas for his benefit.

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Oct 21, 2014 17:27:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
the waker wrote:
Well I'm tired of debuting this so perhaps you progressives should pay attention:

1) universal health care has cost the tax payers close to a 850 million dollars to cover a quarter of the people that didn't have it before (15 million, some of which already had it)
The reason the last five presidents didn't touch it is because there was no way to justify the cost. Its simple arithmetic. Also still does nothing for those who go to the emergency who don't have insurance ( like the 65,000 illegals).

2) Passing out 787 billion dollars of our children's tax payer dollars to crony friends that got him elected and other various wasteful spending, did nothing but band aid the situation. True world wide economic indicators tell a different story.
Also how can you eliminate debt w/ more debt? Just what dollar amount do you believe our deficit has reached? Do you believe this to be sustainable?

3) Now as far as wall street, how repealed the Glass Steagal act that lead to the market collapse? No, not Bush. So really allObama did was put back into place the same regulations Clinton got rid of.
Not a lot to hang your hat on after 5 yrs, the fact is he pushes his agendas for his benefit.
Well I'm tired of debuting this so perhaps you pro... (show quote)





Haave to go back outside and get ready for the mild coming winter, so I will simply post this over-long piece and knowing this will go on, may add to later...


Obama’s Other Success
Dodd-Frank Financial Reform Is Working

By PAUL KRUGMANAUG. 3, 2014

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Although the enemies of health reform will never admit it, the Affordable Care Act is looking more and more like a big success. Costs are coming in below predictions, while the number of uninsured Americans is dropping fast, especially in states that haven’t tried to sabotage the program. Obamacare is working.

But what about the administration’s other big push, financial reform? The Dodd-Frank reform bill has, if anything, received even worse press than Obamacare, derided by the right as anti-business and by the left as hopelessly inadequate. And like Obamacare, it’s certainly not the reform you would have devised in the absence of political constraints.

But also like Obamacare, financial reform is working a lot better than anyone listening to the news media would imagine. Let’s talk, in particular, about two important pieces of Dodd-Frank: creation of an agency protecting consumers from misleading or fraudulent financial sales pitches, and efforts to end “too big to fail.”

The decision to create a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau shouldn’t have been controversial, given what happened during the housing boom. As Edward M. Gramlich, a Federal Reserve official who warned prophetically of problems in subprime lending, asked, “Why are the most risky loan products sold to the least sophisticated borrowers?” He went on, “The question answers itself — the least sophisticated borrowers are probably duped into taking these products.” The need for more protection was obvious.

Of course, that obvious need didn’t stop the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, financial industry lobbyists and conservative groups from going all out in an effort to prevent the bureau’s creation or at least stop it from doing its job, spending more than $1.3 billion in the process. Republicans in Congress dutifully served the industry’s interests, notably by trying to prevent President Obama from appointing a permanent director. And the question was whether all that opposition would hobble the new bureau and make it ineffective.

At this point, however, all accounts indicate that the bureau is in fact doing its job, and well — well enough to inspire continuing fury among bankers and their political allies. A recent case in point: The bureau is cracking down on billions in excessive overdraft fees.

Better consumer protection means fewer bad loans, and therefore a reduced risk of financial crisis. But what happens if a crisis occurs anyway?

The answer is that, as in 2008, the government will step in to keep the financial system functioning; nobody wants to take the risk of repeating the Great Depression.
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But how do you rescue the banking system without rewarding bad behavior? In particular, rescues in times of crisis can give large financial players an unfair advantage: They can borrow cheaply in normal times, because everyone knows that they are “too big to fail” and will be bailed out if things go wrong.

The answer is that the government should seize troubled institutions when it bails them out, so that they can be kept running without rewarding stockholders or bondholders who don’t need rescue. In 2008 and 2009, however, it wasn’t clear that the Treasury Department had the necessary legal authority to do that. So Dodd-Frank filled that gap, giving regulators Ordinary Liquidation Authority, also known as resolution authority, so that in the next crisis we can save “systemically important” banks and other institutions without bailing out the bankers.
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Bankers, of course, hate this idea; and Republican leaders like Mitch McConnell tried to help their friends with the Orwellian claim that resolution authority was actually a gift to Wall Street, a form of corporate welfare, because it would grease the skids for future bailouts.

But Wall Street knew better. As Mike Konczal of the Roosevelt Institute points out, if being labeled systemically important were actually corporate welfare, institutions would welcome the designation; in fact, they have fought it tooth and nail. And a new study from the Government Accountability Office shows that while large banks were able to borrow more cheaply than small banks before financial reform passed, that advantage has now essentially disappeared. To some extent this may reflect generally calmer markets, but the study nonetheless suggests that reform has done at least part of what it was supposed to do.

Did reform go far enough? No. In particular, while banks are being forced to hold more capital, a key force for stability, they really should be holding much more. But Wall Street and its allies wouldn’t be screaming so loudly, and spending so much money in an effort to gut the law, if it weren’t an important step in the right direction. For all its limitations, financial reform is a success story.

A version of this op-ed appears in print on August 4, 2014, on page A21 of the New York edition with the headline: Obama’s Other Success. Order Reprints|Today's Paper|Subscribe

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Oct 21, 2014 17:30:42   #
pas Loc: Flordia
 
lol i'll take comfort in that :-D

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Oct 21, 2014 18:42:41   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
the waker wrote:
I have noticed several times you refer to heterosexuals being afraid or fearful of homosexuals. If anything I feel pity for the confused bastards.
They have only lead to the downfall of every great civilization that adopted they're ways and considered such behavior acceptable. You do know history of Sodom, Rome, France( ;) ) still, right, or did you party take issue and change that too.
Perhaps I should feel pity on us.
Did you ever come up w/ something positive Obamas done for all American CITIZENS, not just a selected few? :hunf:
I have noticed several times you refer to heterose... (show quote)

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Please see Permafrost's posted reply. That should do it as he has a site you should look into. That will answer your questions. :roll: ;) ;) :wink:

My husband's best friend told of the time he beat up on a "queer" who approached him. As we left their home, my husband commented that anyone who would do that is usually "latent" and are afraid to let "those people" near for fear of discovering what is truly within themselves.

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Oct 21, 2014 19:06:54   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
[waker}
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Have you even accessed the site? I imagine not as it would take so much effort on your part to disprove the beneficial listing. You evidently would prefer to let your fingers do the walking, as in your replies) rather than your brain. People like you refrain from thinking as [b]it hurts their heads.[/b]

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Oct 21, 2014 19:14:26   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
the waker wrote:
Yes all too often I'm reminded of the wisdom of youth.
As far as Obamas contributions to our way of life they came from my tax dollars, forgive me if I want to see something other than than brainwashing our children and citizens w/ it.
Check out some of the other reading materials for Commom Core high schoolers, like " Blue eyed Girl" the perspective of a pediphile, great reading material, every child should read it, what is wrong w/ you people?
Instead of books like 1984 and Animal Farm,were as they can actually see what's happening in society today, so they don't become brainwashed simpltons that can't think for themselves.
The reason you can't name one thing positive Obama has done is because there aren't any! Your brain is so washed of common sense all you know is Obama good, Republicans baaaaad.
You tell me I need to get w/ it, I say catch a clue, cause this joy ride is destoying society and close to an end!
Yes all too often I'm reminded of the wisdom of yo... (show quote)

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Orwell's two famous books were designed to cause the reader to think and compare. Haven't read "Blue Eyed Girl" but will get to it and, by actual reading, disprove your claims. I gather you are mimicking someone else and have not actually read the book. You have a right to create your own opinion but DO NOT have the right to create your own facts. Either back up your statements or shut up!

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Oct 21, 2014 19:18:18   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
Viet Nam Vet 67-68 wrote:
Alicia, are you a relative ofr obamination?? Are you an idiot and can't see what he change is? Its Communism with Sharia Law mixed in, he's flooding this Country with ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO HATE THIS COUNTRY AND TERRORISTS WHO ARE GOING TO MURDER AMERICANS. Our Pravda Press has not reported hundreds of cases of terrorism in this Country because it would look bad for our Illegal Kenyuan Born Half Breed NOT BLACK for your information who is a Marxist Sunni Muslim. He has personally stated that he would side with ISLAM if we went to war against Islam, that is not an American President. He has Buried this Country in an insurmountable Debt that we will not recover from. He has committed Treason so many times I have lot count, arming our enemies with arms and munitions and Billionsd of dollars in cash (our tax money) Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda all sworn enemies of America. He has lied since the first day in office and that is part of his Muslim Cult where he is allowed to Lie to the Infidels (US) about our Health Care, Fast and Furious, IRS targeting of Conservatives, BENGHAZI, targeting Americans and Murdering them with Drones, passing bills taking our rights from the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th a5th and 6th Amendments. Printing $4 Trillion Dollars of worthless money devaluing our dollar to $0.04 cents. Doubling Poverty, Food Stamps, Gasoline, 35% increase in food costs 46 Million people STILL out of work aqnd a president who wants to give Amnesty to 40 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO HOLD 13-15 MILLION AMERICAN JOBS. ICOULD CONTINUE BUT I DOUBT YOU NWILL CARE YOUR A LIB/MARXIST PROBABLY BLACK AND MUSLIM.
Alicia, are you a relative ofr obamination?? Are ... (show quote)

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People who have nothing to say very often substitute thought with name calling. Please stop making like a parrot. You are quite boring.

"Polly want a cracker?" :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Oct 21, 2014 20:53:54   #
the waker Loc: 11th freest nation
 
Alicia wrote:
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Orwell's two famous books were designed to cause the reader to think and compare. Haven't read "Blue Eyed Girl" but will get to it and, by actual reading, disprove your claims. I gather you are mimicking someone else and have not actually read the book. You have a right to create your own opinion but DO NOT have the right to create your own facts. Either back up your statements or shut up!


Aren't we feisty today. Did the scarecrow finally get a brain.
OK, I'll humor you.
Did you read the book? No, so as usual you speak of things you don't know.
Can you tell me the benefits of the Common Core curriculum over say Race to the Top, or even the curriculum we teach our kids Classical Conversations.
The Common Core curriculum is no more beneficial to our young ones than ebonics, another one of you wacko Libby idea that not only didn't work but disrupted the learning of many students.

Tell me scarecrow did you read either one of Orwell's books? You really can't see the connection. Don't you see how they're changing history to fit they're agenda. Are you so blind to what others see as obvious?.

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Oct 21, 2014 23:51:36   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
the waker wrote:
Aren't we feisty today. Did the scarecrow finally get a brain.
OK, I'll humor you.
Did you read the book? No, so as usual you speak of things you don't know.
Can you tell me the benefits of the Common Core curriculum over say Race to the Top, or even the curriculum we teach our kids Classical Conversations.
The Common Core curriculum is no more beneficial to our young ones than ebonics, another one of you wacko Libby idea that not only didn't work but disrupted the learning of many students.

Tell me scarecrow did you read either one of Orwell's books? You really can't see the connection. Don't you see how they're changing history to fit they're agenda. Are you so blind to what others see as obvious?.
Aren't we feisty today. Did the scarecrow finally ... (show quote)

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I've read both Orwell books - more than once and years apart. I will get the the "Blue" book probably next week as I am presently involved with another (or two).

Claiming that President Obama's mention in history is absolutely foolish. It had already become history the moment he was elected and took office. That fact that he is the first non-caucasian cannot be denied. It happened, of course to the dismay of many but not as many who voted for him twice. You fools are the ones that are attempting to change history by proving he was not eligible for the office. You lost!

Orwell's books haven't changed. They still tell the same story. It is a warning of what could happen if "creative" people like you had the opportunity to take over. :roll: :roll: ;)

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