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Mar 17, 2023 17:03:28   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Pulled from Quora...

Try not to dismiss it, but rather to think about it for a bit..

Since fentanyl is killing more Americans than cancer and guns combined, how come Biden is ignoring the drug problem?

But it isn’t. in 2021 67,325 died of all opioids including fentanyl and heroin. Cancer deaths in 2021 were 608, 570 gun deaths, 45,222 gun deaths.

You do know the numbers can be actually looked up and it isn’t close almost 10 times as many cancer deaths as opioid deaths.

Biden isn’t ignoring the drug problem but to be perfectly brutal drug abusers volunteer for their problems and while there have been record amounts of fentanyl intercepted at the border under this administration. Drug users are the problem. The DOJ under Biden has been prosecuting doctors and pharmacies that hand out drugs like candy, they have tightened the border and intercepted record amounts of drugs the problem is the Americans who choose to use drugs. Do you expect a president to go door to door and check out medicine cabinets.

I have massive sympathy for the over 600,000 Americans who die from Cancer and the over 45,000 Americans who die from gunfire. I have less for the 67,000 Americans who knowingly choose to become addicted to a drug that is very dangerous and overdose. They are not victims they are participants. They chose their sad end. I had an excellent dentist who knowingly became addicted to Fentanyl and was found at a rest stop dead because he chose to use a drug.

This isn’t Biden’s fault this is the fault of those who chose a very risky high and and lost the gamble.



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Mar 17, 2023 17:07:16   #
Liberty Tree
 
permafrost wrote:
Pulled from Quora...

Try not to dismiss it, but rather to think about it for a bit..

Since fentanyl is killing more Americans than cancer and guns combined, how come Biden is ignoring the drug problem?

But it isn’t. in 2021 67,325 died of all opioids including fentanyl and heroin. Cancer deaths in 2021 were 608, 570 gun deaths, 45,222 gun deaths.

You do know the numbers can be actually looked up and it isn’t close almost 10 times as many cancer deaths as opioid deaths.

Biden isn’t ignoring the drug problem but to be perfectly brutal drug abusers volunteer for their problems and while there have been record amounts of fentanyl intercepted at the border under this administration. Drug users are the problem. The DOJ under Biden has been prosecuting doctors and pharmacies that hand out drugs like candy, they have tightened the border and intercepted record amounts of drugs the problem is the Americans who choose to use drugs. Do you expect a president to go door to door and check out medicine cabinets.

I have massive sympathy for the over 600,000 Americans who die from Cancer and the over 45,000 Americans who die from gunfire. I have less for the 67,000 Americans who knowingly choose to become addicted to a drug that is very dangerous and overdose. They are not victims they are participants. They chose their sad end. I had an excellent dentist who knowingly became addicted to Fentanyl and was found at a rest stop dead because he chose to use a drug.

This isn’t Biden’s fault this is the fault of those who chose a very risky high and and lost the gamble.
Pulled from Quora... br br Try not to dismiss it,... (show quote)


There is nothing for which you will not make an excuse fir Biden.

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Mar 17, 2023 17:33:26   #
Puds Loc: So Centrl MN
 
Over 100,000 dead from FENTANYL!

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Mar 17, 2023 17:43:06   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Puds wrote:
Over 100,000 dead from FENTANYL!


It is a very serious problem.. but keep to the real figures, they are bad enough..

The fentanyl category of opioids accounted for 67,325 preventable deaths in 2021, representing a 26% increase over the 53,480 total in 2020.

Drug Overdoses - Data Details - Injury Facts

National Safety Council

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Mar 17, 2023 17:47:24   #
Justice101
 
permafrost wrote:
Pulled from Quora...

Try not to dismiss it, but rather to think about it for a bit..

Since fentanyl is killing more Americans than cancer and guns combined, how come Biden is ignoring the drug problem?

But it isn’t. in 2021 67,325 died of all opioids including fentanyl and heroin. Cancer deaths in 2021 were 608, 570 gun deaths, 45,222 gun deaths.

You do know the numbers can be actually looked up and it isn’t close almost 10 times as many cancer deaths as opioid deaths.

Biden isn’t ignoring the drug problem but to be perfectly brutal drug abusers volunteer for their problems and while there have been record amounts of fentanyl intercepted at the border under this administration. Drug users are the problem. The DOJ under Biden has been prosecuting doctors and pharmacies that hand out drugs like candy, they have tightened the border and intercepted record amounts of drugs the problem is the Americans who choose to use drugs. Do you expect a president to go door to door and check out medicine cabinets.

I have massive sympathy for the over 600,000 Americans who die from Cancer and the over 45,000 Americans who die from gunfire. I have less for the 67,000 Americans who knowingly choose to become addicted to a drug that is very dangerous and overdose. They are not victims they are participants. They chose their sad end. I had an excellent dentist who knowingly became addicted to Fentanyl and was found at a rest stop dead because he chose to use a drug.

This isn’t Biden’s fault this is the fault of those who chose a very risky high and and lost the gamble.
Pulled from Quora... br br Try not to dismiss it,... (show quote)


It isn't Biden's fault that there is a DEMAND for illicit fentanyl and other highly addictive narcotics, but it Biden's BORDER POLICY that is allowing the drug cartels to SNEAK into the United States and sell the drugs across the whole country.

Democrat-run Oregon decriminalized all hard drugs and Washington state legalized all hard drugs.
https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/are-all-drugs-now-legal-in-washington-state-for-now-the-answer-is-yes
You don't think that these insane policies don't go against your argument Frosty? They are supposed to encourage the addicts to go to centers to cure themselves, but that is a friggin' joke.

https://www.familiesagainstfentanyl.org/research/byrace
Black Americans are more likely to die from fentanyl poisoning than any other racial demographic; although the total number of fentanyl deaths is highest among White people. The per capita rate of fentanyl deaths per 100,000 Black people reached 26.6 last year, compared to the 19.2 fentanyl deaths out of 100,000 White people.

Fentanyl fatalities more than doubled in just two years, and more than tripled among Indigenous and Multiracial Americans. Since 2015, fentanyl deaths among Black and Indigenous communities increased 13x.

Teen fentanyl deaths more than tripled since 2019, and increased more than five-fold among Black teens. Fentanyl is the number one cause of death among Multiracial and White Americans ages 18 to 45, and is the number two cause of death among Black and Indigenous Americans ages 18 to 45, surpassed only by homicide and liver disease respectively.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/01/19/recent-surge-in-u-s-drug-overdose-deaths-has-hit-black-men-the-hardest/
While overdose death rates have increased in every major demographic group in recent years, no group has seen a bigger increase than Black men. As a result, Black men have overtaken White men and are now on par with American Indian or Alaska Native men as the demographic groups most likely to die from overdoses.

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Mar 17, 2023 18:18:16   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
permafrost wrote:
Pulled from Quora...

Try not to dismiss it, but rather to think about it for a bit..

Since fentanyl is killing more Americans than cancer and guns combined, how come Biden is ignoring the drug problem?

But it isn’t. in 2021 67,325 died of all opioids including fentanyl and heroin. Cancer deaths in 2021 were 608, 570 gun deaths, 45,222 gun deaths.

You do know the numbers can be actually looked up and it isn’t close almost 10 times as many cancer deaths as opioid deaths.

Biden isn’t ignoring the drug problem but to be perfectly brutal drug abusers volunteer for their problems and while there have been record amounts of fentanyl intercepted at the border under this administration. Drug users are the problem. The DOJ under Biden has been prosecuting doctors and pharmacies that hand out drugs like candy, they have tightened the border and intercepted record amounts of drugs the problem is the Americans who choose to use drugs. Do you expect a president to go door to door and check out medicine cabinets.

I have massive sympathy for the over 600,000 Americans who die from Cancer and the over 45,000 Americans who die from gunfire. I have less for the 67,000 Americans who knowingly choose to become addicted to a drug that is very dangerous and overdose. They are not victims they are participants. They chose their sad end. I had an excellent dentist who knowingly became addicted to Fentanyl and was found at a rest stop dead because he chose to use a drug.

This isn’t Biden’s fault this is the fault of those who chose a very risky high and and lost the gamble.
Pulled from Quora... br br Try not to dismiss it,... (show quote)


I'll address the Biden part of your post first. If you allow the amount of fentanyl to double it only makes sense that the amount intercepted also increases. It's not really a win to intercept more if you also allow more to go un-intercepted. The amount of fentanyl crossing the border has skyrocketed under Biden policies. That's just fact.

As far as the responsibility of the end user taking their own risks. Much of the illegal fentanyl crossing the border is disguised as something else such as candy or other opiates. The end user has no idea if they are buying legally manufactured drugs or illegally manufactured drugs. That's a problem.

The idea of addiction being a self choice is true to a point. The question is what to do about it? Obviously the "war on drugs" for the last 60 years has been a total failure. So, if you believe the end user is the real problem, how do you suggest the problem of the end user should be handled? Casting blame and solving a problem are two different things.

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Mar 17, 2023 18:29:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Justice101 wrote:
It isn't Biden's fault that there is a DEMAND for illicit fentanyl and other highly addictive narcotics, but it Biden's BORDER POLICY that is allowing the drug cartels to SNEAK into the United States and sell the drugs across the whole country.

Democrat-run Oregon decriminalized all hard drugs and Washington state legalized all hard drugs.
https://www.leafly.com/news/politics/are-all-drugs-now-legal-in-washington-state-for-now-the-answer-is-yes
You don't think that these insane policies don't go against your argument Frosty? They are supposed to encourage the addicts to go to centers to cure themselves, but that is a friggin' joke.

https://www.familiesagainstfentanyl.org/research/byrace
Black Americans are more likely to die from fentanyl poisoning than any other racial demographic; although the total number of fentanyl deaths is highest among White people. The per capita rate of fentanyl deaths per 100,000 Black people reached 26.6 last year, compared to the 19.2 fentanyl deaths out of 100,000 White people.

Fentanyl fatalities more than doubled in just two years, and more than tripled among Indigenous and Multiracial Americans. Since 2015, fentanyl deaths among Black and Indigenous communities increased 13x.

Teen fentanyl deaths more than tripled since 2019, and increased more than five-fold among Black teens. Fentanyl is the number one cause of death among Multiracial and White Americans ages 18 to 45, and is the number two cause of death among Black and Indigenous Americans ages 18 to 45, surpassed only by homicide and liver disease respectively.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/01/19/recent-surge-in-u-s-drug-overdose-deaths-has-hit-black-men-the-hardest/
While overdose death rates have increased in every major demographic group in recent years, no group has seen a bigger increase than Black men. As a result, Black men have overtaken White men and are now on par with American Indian or Alaska Native men as the demographic groups most likely to die from overdoses.
It isn't Biden's fault that there is a DEMAND for ... (show quote)


Interesting information..

Looking at the OP, I should have pointed out that the thing I wanted to emphasize is the change of calling those users as Participants rather than victims.. As they are called locally.. after all they get into drug on their own, no one forces them to start.. Other than occasionally in the movies..

Anyway, thanks for the reply and information..

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Mar 17, 2023 18:36:28   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Strycker wrote:
I'll address the Biden part of your post first. If you allow the amount of fentanyl to double it only makes sense that the amount intercepted also increases. It's not really a win to intercept more if you also allow more to go un-intercepted. The amount of fentanyl crossing the border has skyrocketed under Biden policies. That's just fact.

As far as the responsibility of the end user taking their own risks. Much of the illegal fentanyl crossing the border is disguised as something else such as candy or other opiates. The end user has no idea if they are buying legally manufactured drugs or illegally manufactured drugs. That's a problem.

The idea of addiction being a self choice is true to a point. The question is what to do about it? Obviously the "war on drugs" for the last 60 years has been a total failure. So, if you believe the end user is the real problem, how do you suggest the problem of the end user should be handled? Casting blame and solving a problem are two different things.
I'll address the Biden part of your post first. If... (show quote)


Disguising the drug as candy is the most infuriating development in my view.. I know kids will gobble up what they think is candy and they would be gone. And this has happened in Minnesota.

Yes, while I wanted to stress the "participant" POV, I have no idea how to stem the movement nor why people pursue these things..

Thanks for the input.

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Mar 17, 2023 18:46:13   #
Justice101
 
permafrost wrote:
Interesting information..

Looking at the OP, I should have pointed out that the thing I wanted to emphasize is the change of calling those users as Participants rather than victims.. As they are called locally.. after all they get into drug on their own, no one forces them to start.. Other than occasionally in the movies..

Anyway, thanks for the reply and information..


Of course if the demand isn't there, then the drug cartels and drug pushers would be put out of business. That isn't likely to happen here in the United States, when parents aren't held responsible for the violent actions of their children. We live in a privileged society where many societal norms are ignored or thrown away altogether to please the sinful and hedonistic nature of the "participants".

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Mar 17, 2023 18:48:30   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
permafrost wrote:
Pulled from Quora...

Try not to dismiss it, but rather to think about it for a bit..

Since fentanyl is killing more Americans than cancer and guns combined, how come Biden is ignoring the drug problem?

But it isn’t. in 2021 67,325 died of all opioids including fentanyl and heroin. Cancer deaths in 2021 were 608, 570 gun deaths, 45,222 gun deaths.

You do know the numbers can be actually looked up and it isn’t close almost 10 times as many cancer deaths as opioid deaths.

Biden isn’t ignoring the drug problem but to be perfectly brutal drug abusers volunteer for their problems and while there have been record amounts of fentanyl intercepted at the border under this administration. Drug users are the problem. The DOJ under Biden has been prosecuting doctors and pharmacies that hand out drugs like candy, they have tightened the border and intercepted record amounts of drugs the problem is the Americans who choose to use drugs. Do you expect a president to go door to door and check out medicine cabinets.

I have massive sympathy for the over 600,000 Americans who die from Cancer and the over 45,000 Americans who die from gunfire. I have less for the 67,000 Americans who knowingly choose to become addicted to a drug that is very dangerous and overdose. They are not victims they are participants. They chose their sad end. I had an excellent dentist who knowingly became addicted to Fentanyl and was found at a rest stop dead because he chose to use a drug.

This isn’t Biden’s fault this is the fault of those who chose a very risky high and and lost the gamble.
Pulled from Quora... br br Try not to dismiss it,... (show quote)


Well said...
I agree...
And would take it a step further...
Execute those who trafficked in drugs... Be they sellers or users...

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Mar 17, 2023 18:49:46   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Justice101 wrote:
Of course if the demand isn't there, then the drug cartels and drug pushers would be put out of business. That isn't likely to happen here in the United States, when parents aren't held responsible for the violent actions of their children. We live in a privileged society where many societal norms are ignored or thrown away altogether to please the sinful and hedonistic nature of the "participants".


Agreed

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Mar 17, 2023 19:47:44   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
permafrost wrote:
Pulled from Quora...

Try not to dismiss it, but rather to think about it for a bit..

Since fentanyl is killing more Americans than cancer and guns combined, how come Biden is ignoring the drug problem?

But it isn’t. in 2021 67,325 died of all opioids including fentanyl and heroin. Cancer deaths in 2021 were 608, 570 gun deaths, 45,222 gun deaths.

You do know the numbers can be actually looked up and it isn’t close almost 10 times as many cancer deaths as opioid deaths.

Biden isn’t ignoring the drug problem but to be perfectly brutal drug abusers volunteer for their problems and while there have been record amounts of fentanyl intercepted at the border under this administration. Drug users are the problem. The DOJ under Biden has been prosecuting doctors and pharmacies that hand out drugs like candy, they have tightened the border and intercepted record amounts of drugs the problem is the Americans who choose to use drugs. Do you expect a president to go door to door and check out medicine cabinets.

I have massive sympathy for the over 600,000 Americans who die from Cancer and the over 45,000 Americans who die from gunfire. I have less for the 67,000 Americans who knowingly choose to become addicted to a drug that is very dangerous and overdose. They are not victims they are participants. They chose their sad end. I had an excellent dentist who knowingly became addicted to Fentanyl and was found at a rest stop dead because he chose to use a drug.

This isn’t Biden’s fault this is the fault of those who chose a very risky high and and lost the gamble.
Pulled from Quora... br br Try not to dismiss it,... (show quote)


About 3/4 of the gun deaths are suicides. Last time I looked, that was a choice also.

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Mar 17, 2023 19:49:23   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Well said...
I agree...
And would take it a step further...
Execute those who trafficked in drugs... Be they sellers or users...


Addicts should be put in a serious rehab program, not some feel good bullshit. They should be given a chance and choice to turn it around. If they choose not to..........

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Mar 17, 2023 19:59:00   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Smedley_buzkill wrote:
Addicts should be put in a serious rehab program, not some feel good bullshit. They should be given a chance and choice to turn it around. If they choose not to..........


Only if they can afford it...

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Mar 17, 2023 20:04:34   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
permafrost wrote:
It is a very serious problem.. but keep to the real figures, they are bad enough..

The fentanyl category of opioids accounted for 67,325 preventable deaths in 2021, representing a 26% increase over the 53,480 total in 2020.

Drug Overdoses - Data Details - Injury Facts

National Safety Council


Fentanyl is now the leading cause of death for Americans between ages 18-45.

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