JW wrote:
Please, if you have only derision and name-calling to add, post it somewhere else. Everyone's contributions are welcome but, seriously, an honest request, let's keep this thread courteous and on topic.
I have spent many years trying to understand the reality that we exist within. Some people are convinced God created everything and others are convinced that God is a byproduct of everything that exists. Either way, we face the same question, where is the point of origin; was there a mysterious Big Bang that started everything or where did God come from in order to create everything. Neither point of view has a logical answer. Where is the point of origin?
So, if God created everything, where did God come from? One could argue that God has always existed but that makes no logical sense. If everything came out of the Big Bang, where did the thing that banged come from? One could say that the material that materialized has always existed but that makes no logical sense either. Perhaps our concept of logic is wrong.
Einstein developed an interesting concept when he presented the world with E=MC2. That equation is the basis of every nuclear power plant, every nuclear weapon and explains radioactive decay. It says that energy and matter can be converted into each other, E=MC2 and M=E/C2. We know it works. We've tested it and some of us are charging our computers by its output. That also confirms the validity of our logic, by the way.
Our brains work by electricity. OK, maybe not exactly, electricity like in your walls, but they do work because various chemicals move electrons about. That is what the EEG machine reads when a patient undergoes a scan.
Are there any circumstances that would allow for energy having always existed? Because, if there is, and if the brain runs on electrical energy then there is no reason God, or a universal mind, could not have evolved in a field of pure energy, able to think and, being energy, manipulate energy to its own ends. After all, brains did, not exactly the same way, I'll grant. We know for a fact that brains have a very long developmental history on Earth.
That is the basis of my considerations, so far. I have not reached a conclusion and may never accomplish that, but it is a beginning point... and yes, energy could have an infinite existence.
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So, let's start in Genesis 1:1, with what I consider the most controversial passage of the entire Bible. It says this; "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth."
If you believe that, nothing else in the Bible is hard to believe. Nothing existed and God created it all out of nothing. God created the universe, the heavens, everything you see, everything you don't see. He created it all. And then He created earth as a special one of the planets to be inhabited by all humankind; the crown of His creation. If you believe that, there's nothing else in the Bible that will be hard for you to believe.
But most people don't make it out of Genesis 1:1 without saying, "No, that's not how it happened." There's no way there was a God who created everything out of nothing, let alone on six literal days. Listen, God created everything out of nothing in six literal 24 hour days, 'cause that's what the Word of God teaches. So, at the end of our day, if we can believe chapter one and verse one, then everything else is not a problem.
So, chapter 1 verse one says that in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And so, we see that the earth was formless and void, and there was darkness over the surface of the deep and the Spirit of God was moving on the surface of the waters.
You may say so what? But what we have here with further revelation is the Triune God. In the beginning, God, the Hebrew
Elohim, plural, the strong, powerful God, created the heavens and the earth. So, who all was there?
In John 1:1, John, speaking of Jesus says: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us." So, who else was there?
Jesus.
And who else was there? The Holy Spirit hovering over the waters.
So, what do you have? The Father, Son and Holy Spirit creating everything!
Here's what we also know. Because God was the only eyewitness at creation, His testimony is the only one that counts, right?
Charles Darwin wasn't there.
We weren't there.
Nobody else was there.
Anytime you don't believe that God is the only one who created. And anytime you don't believe the way He said what He did, it's because you'd rather believe man's ideas than what God has to say in His Word. It's as simple as that. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.