Radiance3

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Who cares, it's over, trump lost

bylm1-Bernie

Now there's a really sensible response! As long as Trump lost, everything else is meaningless. That's what Trump-haters believe. Is that really the way we want to look at this Country and our elections?

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Yes, actually. It is.
If you don’t get enough votes to Win, then you Lose. Take your crap and get off the field. Go cry at home because if you cry here you may get your asses kicked again.
Bunch o little buttercups.
Get off the field, go home and work on having a better game next time.
But don’t stop crying those tears are delicious.

Besides, once you take out trumps lies, the election looks like any other.
It’s his lies that we are actually fighting about.
No Lies No Problems. Fancy that !

Michael10

Actually is't not all, when we can remove Republicans who are steadily chipping away at the Constitution and possibly freedom and Democracy itself then I'll be happy. Republican governors and state congresses making it harder to vote should be tossed. Any legalization making it harder for legal citizens to vote should be scrapped. Any politician R or D who puts party over country need to be removed from office.

I'm all for you live your life the way you like and let me live mine the way I want. In other words mind your own business and I'll mind mine.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Top ALEC Official Is Behind Conspiracy Theory-Fueled Arizona Ballot Audit
Ballots are pulled aside for a hand audit by Maricopa County Elections Department staff ahead of Tuesdays election on October 31, 2020, in Phoenix, Arizona.
Ballots are pulled aside for a hand audit by Maricopa County Elections Department staff ahead of Tuesdays election on October 31, 2020, in Phoenix, Arizona.

BY
David Armiak, PR Watch


The public face of the preposterous Maricopa County ballot audit is Republican Arizona State Senate President Karen Fann — who also serves as the second-highest ranking board member of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), the country’s pre-eminent pay-to-play corporate lobbying group.

The audit, which has now earned the nickname “The Mess in Maricopa,” is the most conspicuous ongoing attempt by Republicans to bolster the “Big Lie” conspiracy theory that Donald Trump didn’t really lose the presidential election in November.

In her role as ALEC board treasurer, Fann oversees the group’s agenda and is likely next in line to become its national chair, as ALEC does not currently have a vice chair. Unlike other ideologically conservative lobbying groups, ALEC’s business model is specifically to pursue corporate agendas at the state level.

So while American corporations are trying to distance themselves from extremist Republican challenges to democracy at the state level, Fann’s prominent and unapologetic role in the Arizona farce adds to the already ample evidence that at least some American corporations are aggressively supporting state-level actions that, as over 100 democracy scholars explained on Tuesday, “are transforming several states into political systems that no longer meet the minimum conditions for free and fair elections.”

In 2012, ALEC was forced to publicly disband its “Public Safety and Elections” task force after scores of major corporations started dropping their membership due to its pursuit of “Stand Your Ground” and Voter ID model legislation.

But in the summer of 2019, ALEC secretly launched a “Process Working Group” that is tasked with elections and redistricting. Fann is part of that group, which is chaired by fellow Arizona State Rep. Shawnna Bolick (R) as well as disgraced attorney and Trump advisor Cleta Mitchell.

As Senate president, Fann approved the initial state payment of $150,000 for the audit. The audit is now also receiving funds through a dark money vehicle run by staffers with the ultra-right-wing broadcasting company One America News (OAN), which traffics in election conspiracies.

“We are paying for some of the security and the cost of the Coliseum [where the audit is held],” Fann told CNN last week, adding that “anything over and above is being covered by others” and that she does “not know who they are.”

The private funding of the audit comes shortly after Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey (R) signed a bill in April banning the private funding of elections going forward, and “pledged to partner with the Legislature to provide elections officials with adequate resources.”

Fann Questioned Vote Count Within a Week After the Election

Six days after the election, on November 9, 2020, Fann wrote a letter to Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs (D) urging her to “make available all data and the logic and accuracy tests to independent expert evaluation.”

Fann argued that claims of voter fraud in the state “will linger indefinitely and may cause substantial damage to the credibility of our democratic processes if something isn’t done to alleviate claims that the election was conducted unfairly, if not fraudulently.”

But no evidence of voter fraud emerged in Arizona.

A number of legal challenges to the election results were filed in the state, but all were dismissed. One was filed by Arizona GOP Chairwoman Kelli Ward, a former ALEC-tied lawmaker, who has faced allegations within her own party that her election to the party’s top post in the state was fraudulent.

Ward tweeted on the day of the Capitol insurrection: “Congress is adjourned. Send the elector choice back to the legislatures.”

Ward told Newsmax she hoped the Maricopa audit would set a national precedent: “Arizona is the first domino that will fall and then other states will look into irregularities, abnormalities, mistakes and potentially outright fraud that happened in their states as well.”

To conduct the audit, Fann in March chose a fellow Stop the Steal advocate, Doug Logan, owner of an untested Florida-based company called Cyber Ninjas. This is Cyber Ninjas’ first election audit.

The Arizona Mirror reported that in December, Logan had reposted a tweet from “Ron Watkins — a conspiracy theorist and former administrator of 8chan who has promoted QAnon and is believed by some to have run the Q account — that claimed an audit of the election might show that ‘Trump got 200k more votes than previously reported in Arizona.'”

The Center for Media and Democracy filed a public records request with Arizona state senators for records related to the Cyber Ninjas selection, but has not yet received a response. American Oversight has sued the Arizona Senate for failing to produce records related to the audit.

An official with Dominion Voting Systems, whose vote-counting machines are being examined as part of the audit, told reporters: “The firms selected to conduct this audit are beyond biased. Publicly available information shows they are led by conspiracy theorists and QAnon supporters who have helped spread the Big Lie.”

Arizona Democrats and others concerned with the security and motives of the audit sued the Arizona Senate in an attempt to stop the audit, but settled on May 5 when guarantees were put in place for ballot security and voter privacy, as well as spaces for the press and others to observe.

On May 20, Hobbs, the secretary of state, announced that the voting machines turned over to Cyber Ninjas and other companies would need to be replaced because of uncertainty over what is being done to them.

In an apparent act of retaliation, Republicans in the Arizona House then stripped Hobbs of her ability “to defend election lawsuits,” and transferred that ability to Republican Attorney General Mark Brnovich. Brnovich is a member of the Republican Attorneys General Association, a group that recently doubled down on Trump’s Big Lie, leading to an exodus of staff and leadership.

Maricopa County Board of Supervisors Chairman Jack Sellers (R), called the ongoing recount a “grift disguised as an audit” at a news conference earlier in the month, after Fann was forced to backtrack a claim that the county deleted a database and that ballots were missing.

Maricopa County internal and external reviews of the November 2020 election found zero evidence of fraud.

Fann told CNN last week that Arizona’s audit will be “a lesson in democracy” and “the basis of a gold standard.” History will almost assuredly prove her correct about that first part.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Koch owned and initiated ALEC .

bylm1-Bernie

The typical response by the left is to simply call this kind of thing a lie and then keep calling it a lie. Eventually, enough people, led by accomplices in the media will convince enough people that it will be gradually dropped. Unfortunately, the Repubs are not pit bulls like the Dems and won't continue to go after dissenters, trying to shut them up while the press shelters the public from the truth.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

** Maricopa County internal and external reviews of the November 2020 election found zero evidence of fraud**
Hmmm....

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Zero evidence of fraud.
We are only fighting to protect Trumps lie !
Zero.

ed4short Loc: New Hampshire

Radiance - You hit the nail on the head. Anybody that is not for proper and legal recounts are not on the side of Democracy, and believe there is something to hide. There is nothing wrong with putting an alleged conspiracy theory to rest by proving it false. So lets wait for the final results

Radiance3

[quote=Radiance3] Commentary:
The most unprecedented election in the US history was the Nov. 2020. This election was STOLEN, and massive evidences and proofs have been gathered supporting that.

The LEFT has all the powers to do it and they did it. They've hated so much president Trump since he entered into politics in 2016. He was not a politician, not been a member of their corrupt system that they run for so many years.

So, everything was done to remove, to destroy, to prevent him from coming back. The LEFT has even intensified destruction against Trump, aware that Trump may come back. Majority of the American people voted for him in 2020, waiting for his come back to save our country, now destroyed on its route to Marxism.

Despite all the barriers placed against him, Trump won in 2016. For 4 years the Left put obstacles on his administration. Trump has proven that his 4 years performance was excellent. It could not be denied. US was restored back at the top of the world. Trump had successfully managed the world on the right track. Peace was restored from the enemies, especially NK, and the radical Islam in the ME. Actually Russia, and China were under control.

China's ambition was minimized, cause Trump stopped China's aggressive and silent take over against the US on the economy, and the defense mechanism. I believe that CCP purposely created the pandemic to halt the US and to weaken the world for its goal of world dominance.

Here we are battling this most aggressive virus that hit US since 1917-18. More than a century ago, we are still winning. Under president Trump he expedited the manufacture of vaccine for the virus and for 9 months, under Warp Speed, US Moderna and Pfizer laboratories, were able to manufacture vaccine against the virus. Other laboratories are also on the rise creating the vaccine. With this, US is able to share to the world that suffers.

With the absence of Trump, our country is moving towards the opposite direction. We are rapidly taken over by Marxism, a platform desired and invented by Bernie Sanders since several years of his plan. He had created a Manifesto on this type of governance, and now Biden and his administration has implemented it.

Majority of the people are aware ; we are not on the right track. They are calling back president Trump. The LEFT intensifies their attacks on all possible means to prevent him from coming back. They sued him on all kinds invented and manufactured. The LEFT still continue the WITCH hunt against president Trump.

While all their crimes towards the people remain free, and hidden. The LEFT created a double standard of justice, that allow them to abuse and hide their crimes without facing any accountabilities. (/quote
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The most important thing that was stolen was not only the election , but our FREEDOM.!

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

There has been zero evidence of ANY rampant, systemic fraud, in ANY precinct. There are no do overs, just because you didn't get what you wanted.

I'll ask one more time for someone to explain the math, whereby a person with a 57% DISapproval rating, can win.

Radiance3

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What a dumb reply! Unfortunately, your retarded brain could not understand numbers. The votes were stolen by the communist-democrats from Donald Trump, and moved them to Biden to make him win. Don't you know how to add and subtract? Or do you need a CRT?

Radiance3

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Non-sense, of course crooks will deny. Massive evidence of fraud was audited.