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Many of the founding fathers—Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe—practiced a faith called Deism. Deism is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems.Jan 8, 2008
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“The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” These words, placed in the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli by founding father and first vice-president John Adams, are often used as a springboard for debate.Feb 4, 2018
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Moldy,
You are correct that not all the framers of the Constitution were “Christians”.
Deism does not reject the notion of a Supreme Being, rather, it defines man’s relationship to Him in a unique way:
“Deism is the philosophical position that rejects revelation as a source of religious knowledge and asserts that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to establish the existence of a Supreme Being or creator of the universe.”
As a deist, Thomas Jefferson wrote:
"the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth— that God governs in the affairs of men." Max Farrand, ed. (1911). The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787. 1. New Haven: Yale University Press. p. 451.
Your “argument” is therefore a non-sequitur. It has no bearing on the issue, which seems to go right over your head, which is this:
The Christians and deists met together AS Christians and Deists, NOT to deny each other each their individual right to practice their beliefs and convictions in the body politic, but to guarantee each the free expressions of those believes AS part of the body politic.
Thus they collectively arrived at the precise wording:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble...” ( and etc)
Nowhere did any of the Deists or Christians conclude the artificial manufactured “right” of leftists to mean some supposed right “from” religion, which is the opposite of freedom “of” religion, and absolutely negates the words “free exercise thereof” in regards to one’s religious convictions.
You leftists have no commonality with Deists on this point.
Rather, the Deists, whom you attempt to hijack in your defense, DID NOT by any means suppress or deny anyone’s right to speak or to practice their religion openly in, and as members of, the corporate body politic, as your leftist cronies are now attempting in many ways to impose on all Americans.
Until you leftists can acknowledge this basic, foundational truth, and basic human right, you only prove yourself, over and over, to be antithetical to true American liberty, and thus nothing short of traitors to the Constitution, having NO true fidelity to said Constitution, which is the covenant, that holds these United States together, by an unbreakable, immutable bond... which you leftists are “hell-bent” on “fundamentally transforming”.
As long as you act like the fact of “prohibiting the free exercise thereof” isn’t part of the Constitution, you will continue to be met with strong resistance, and rightfully so, by those of us who love the Constitution of the United States of America and the REPUBLIC that it established.