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Do You Think That Trump Even Wants The Level Of Testing We Should Have?
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Apr 5, 2020 16:31:32   #
woodguru
 
It's hard to figure out why more tests are not being done, the military just said last week that they had a dozen labs that were not being asked to do tests. I don't think this president has any interest in "making the numbers bigger".

On top of the fact that weekly new cases and deaths are going to start to display what exponential increases really mean, do you think this president wants to see testing ramp up to where we are doing hundreds of thousands or more tests a day, which is actually a fraction of what we need to be doing?

Think of how doubling or tripling the number of tests over the next couple of weeks would add to the spike in numbers of new cases. It wouldn't change deaths as much because they will be what they are...except for states that prefer to call coronavirus deaths by the underlying conditions such as pneumonia or other things. The fact of the matter is that cases not tested are called other causes than coronavirus.

My wife got a letter from Kaiser saying they would not test for Covid unless symptoms got severe enough to have to go to the hospital. This leaves the question just how many people likely to have it are not being tested at all?

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Apr 5, 2020 16:40:55   #
JoyV
 
woodguru wrote:
It's hard to figure out why more tests are not being done, the military just said last week that they had a dozen labs that were not being asked to do tests. I don't think this president has any interest in "making the numbers bigger".

On top of the fact that weekly new cases and deaths are going to start to display what exponential increases really mean, do you think this president wants to see testing ramp up to where we are doing hundreds of thousands or more tests a day, which is actually a fraction of what we need to be doing?

Think of how doubling or tripling the number of tests over the next couple of weeks would add to the spike in numbers of new cases. It wouldn't change deaths as much because they will be what they are...except for states that prefer to call coronavirus deaths by the underlying conditions such as pneumonia or other things. The fact of the matter is that cases not tested are called other causes than coronavirus.

My wife got a letter from Kaiser saying they would not test for Covid unless symptoms got severe enough to have to go to the hospital. This leaves the question just how many people likely to have it are not being tested at all?
It's hard to figure out why more tests are not bei... (show quote)


We have tested 1,751,296 people. Only one other country has tested even half as many. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Do you really think anyone else if they were president could have given us 330 million or more test kits? How many were tested for H1N1?

I have the mild symptoms and never even considered taking up resources that others will need more.

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Apr 5, 2020 16:44:38   #
Big dog
 
woodguru wrote:
It's hard to figure out why more tests are not being done, the military just said last week that they had a dozen labs that were not being asked to do tests. I don't think this president has any interest in "making the numbers bigger".

On top of the fact that weekly new cases and deaths are going to start to display what exponential increases really mean, do you think this president wants to see testing ramp up to where we are doing hundreds of thousands or more tests a day, which is actually a fraction of what we need to be doing?

Think of how doubling or tripling the number of tests over the next couple of weeks would add to the spike in numbers of new cases. It wouldn't change deaths as much because they will be what they are...except for states that prefer to call coronavirus deaths by the underlying conditions such as pneumonia or other things. The fact of the matter is that cases not tested are called other causes than coronavirus.

My wife got a letter from Kaiser saying they would not test for Covid unless symptoms got severe enough to have to go to the hospital. This leaves the question just how many people likely to have it are not being tested at all?
It's hard to figure out why more tests are not bei... (show quote)


Why test healthy people that may get infected in the future. Millions of people testing negative would just screw up the numbers two weeks down the road if tested again and even 1% come back positive.

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Apr 5, 2020 17:22:11   #
moldyoldy
 
JoyV wrote:
We have tested 1,751,296 people. Only one other country has tested even half as many. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Do you really think anyone else if they were president could have given us 330 million or more test kits? How many were tested for H1N1?

I have the mild symptoms and never even considered taking up resources that others will need more.


https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/24/820981710/fact-check-u-s-testing-still-isnt-close-to-what-south-korea-has-done

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-claims-trump-misleading-or-false-003607453.html

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Apr 5, 2020 18:22:09   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
moldyoldy wrote:
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/24/820981710/fact-check-u-s-testing-still-isnt-close-to-what-south-korea-has-done

https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-claims-trump-misleading-or-false-003607453.html

npr and yahoo...two disreputable sources...

A couple days older than JoyV's data.



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Apr 5, 2020 18:56:57   #
moldyoldy
 
[quote=Parky60]npr and yahoo...two disreputable sources...

A couple days older than JoyV's data.

[/At about 300,000 tests in each country, that means South Korea has tested 1-in-170 people; the United States: 1-in-1,090.

That's more than six times less, per capita, than South Korea.

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Apr 5, 2020 19:44:46   #
Lonewolf
 
[quote=moldyoldy][quote=Parky60]npr and yahoo...two disreputable sources...

A couple days older than JoyV's data.

[/At about 300,000 tests in each country, that means South Korea has tested 1-in-170 people; the United States: 1-in-1,090.

That's more than six times less, per capita, than South Korea.[/quote]

Math is funny some times

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Apr 5, 2020 19:46:22   #
Lonewolf
 
woodguru wrote:
It's hard to figure out why more tests are not being done, the military just said last week that they had a dozen labs that were not being asked to do tests. I don't think this president has any interest in "making the numbers bigger".

On top of the fact that weekly new cases and deaths are going to start to display what exponential increases really mean, do you think this president wants to see testing ramp up to where we are doing hundreds of thousands or more tests a day, which is actually a fraction of what we need to be doing?

Think of how doubling or tripling the number of tests over the next couple of weeks would add to the spike in numbers of new cases. It wouldn't change deaths as much because they will be what they are...except for states that prefer to call coronavirus deaths by the underlying conditions such as pneumonia or other things. The fact of the matter is that cases not tested are called other causes than coronavirus.

My wife got a letter from Kaiser saying they would not test for Covid unless symptoms got severe enough to have to go to the hospital. This leaves the question just how many people likely to have it are not being tested at all?
It's hard to figure out why more tests are not bei... (show quote)


Short answer no it would start to show just how pathetic our response was and still is!

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Apr 5, 2020 20:19:50   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
moldyoldy wrote:
That's more than six times less, per capita, than South Korea.

You lie like a rug and don't even have anything to back up your ridiculous claim...



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Apr 5, 2020 20:20:53   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Lonewolf wrote:
Math is funny some times

See above you fool!

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Apr 5, 2020 20:44:58   #
moldyoldy
 
Parky60 wrote:
See above you fool!


You added a little more now

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Apr 5, 2020 20:48:36   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
moldyoldy wrote:
You added a little more now

Why did you lie?

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Apr 5, 2020 21:11:03   #
moldyoldy
 
Parky60 wrote:
Why did you lie?


There is no lie at all, maybe you have reading problems

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Apr 5, 2020 21:41:44   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
moldyoldy wrote:
There is no lie at all, maybe you have reading problems

moldyoldy wrote:
That's more than six times less, per capita, than South Korea.

You provided nothing to back up your claim.

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Apr 6, 2020 02:20:12   #
woodguru
 
JoyV wrote:
We have tested 1,751,296 people. Only one other country has tested even half as many. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Do you really think anyone else if they were president could have given us 330 million or more test kits? How many were tested for H1N1?

I have the mild symptoms and never even considered taking up resources that others will need more.


This country could easily be up to at least hundreds of thousands a day, it has the labs and resources, I do not understand what the delays are...they are either controlling the mass testing through CDC for the monetary control or the statistical control. There is no reason that at least 50 other labs are not going full tilt, except trump doesn't want them up to speed.

"The president" could have kicked a level of testing into gear that was at least ten times where we are at now, and the question remains why has he not turned loose a coordinated effort...like S Korea did? The testing that has and is being done is nothing compared to the population or what we could have been doing. A nurse just died in Detroit who had it, called twice from home reporting symptoms, and was told that according to CDC guidelines (still the controlling bottleneck), no hospital employees were to be tested at this time.

Newsom has put a task force together because he is tired of an eight day delay for results and pathetic CDC blocking of needed testing, he has organized UC Davis and UC San Diego to coordinate a multitude of labs to cover different areas, he is looking to increase testing capabilities by 5x, Stanford is also got a serum test that will be available to start testing people for antibodies. And another role of task forces he is gearing up is sourcing protective wear, he has received 42 million N95 masks in a few days and already has them out to hospitals.

California and other states have been left to do the coordination the federal government is supposed to be doing, instead Trump has FEMA running an extortion racket...which will be coming out soon...leaks happen.

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