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Mar 6, 2020 09:48:52   #
saltwind78
 
American Vet wrote:
I keep hearing about 'criminal behaviors' from all the TDS crowd. schiff and company failed to produce anything after all that time spent 'investigating'. Even after schiff said, numerous times, he had incontrovertible proof. End result - nothing.

And he was a playboy - and rich - and ALLEGATIONS abound with that.

obama never went bankrupt because he never worked....in the public sector. There's a pretty strong argument he never worked - period. Putting a company into bankruptcy is a common business tactic. And businesses routinely contest charges made against them.

He has every right to expect people working for him to be loyal to him. That does not preclude being loyal to other obligations as well - nor does it mean they should protect any 'criminal' activity. This is an issue that liberals are simply using as a form of attack.

Yes, you can go on and on - and surely will - for you are as you accuse others - a cult member.
I keep hearing about 'criminal behaviors' from all... (show quote)

Harry Truman owned a mens clothing store that went bankrupt, but paid every cent owed back. He was a man of honor. Obama taught law.Teaching is work. The evidence against Trump in not only compelling, it is overwhelming. The US Senate refused to allow evidence against him in his impeachment trial. How can they even use the word trial, if they didn't allow evidence? What about the Trump University scandal? It was a clear fraud, but was handled in a civil court. How about the 15 plus women that accused him of sexual assault, including two rapes? He attacks democratic institutions like the free press constantly. Fact checkers say that he has lied or misrepresented the truth over 16,000 times in the past three years. He uses his Justice Department to attack his political foes and reward his criminal friends. The Ukraine scandal and all the others speak volumes about him. His supporters ignore and/or refuse to believe all the crazy, undemocratic, and criminal things he has done while in office. Thats why I call them a cult!

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Mar 6, 2020 11:46:53   #
American Vet
 
saltwind78 wrote:
Harry Truman owned a mens clothing store that went bankrupt, but paid every cent owed back. He was a man of honor. Obama taught law.Teaching is work. The evidence against Trump in not only compelling, it is overwhelming. The US Senate refused to allow evidence against him in his impeachment trial. How can they even use the word trial, if they didn't allow evidence? What about the Trump University scandal? It was a clear fraud, but was handled in a civil court. How about the 15 plus women that accused him of sexual assault, including two rapes? He attacks democratic institutions like the free press constantly. Fact checkers say that he has lied or misrepresented the truth over 16,000 times in the past three years. He uses his Justice Department to attack his political foes and reward his criminal friends. The Ukraine scandal and all the others speak volumes about him. His supporters ignore and/or refuse to believe all the crazy, undemocratic, and criminal things he has done while in office. Thats why I call them a cult!
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If the evidence was so compelling, why didn't schiff (who promised he had it) didn't bring it out?

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Mar 6, 2020 14:23:35   #
saltwind78
 
I just heard from the last of the therapists I worked with. He is of the opinion that Trump is not a sociopath. He is so narcissistic that when somebody disagrees with him he becomes cruel. He did offer a rather nonclinical description, he said that Trump is just an a**h**e.

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Mar 6, 2020 14:29:38   #
saltwind78
 
I looked at the evidence, and can't understand how anybody in his right mind couldn't understand his guilt. I don't understand how any fair minded person can't see it plainly, even without the Republican Senate not allowing any evidence to be presented.

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Mar 6, 2020 16:04:41   #
American Vet
 
saltwind78 wrote:
I just heard from the last of the therapists I worked with. He is of the opinion that Trump is not a sociopath. He is so narcissistic that when somebody disagrees with him he becomes cruel. He did offer a rather nonclinical description, he said that Trump is just an a**h**e.


You need to add "a**h**e the is getting the job done".

I have worked with a lot of "a**h**es" who get the the job done.

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Mar 6, 2020 16:06:58   #
American Vet
 
saltwind78 wrote:
I looked at the evidence, and can't understand how anybody in his right mind couldn't understand his guilt. I don't understand how any fair minded person can't see it plainly, even without the Republican Senate not allowing any evidence to be presented.


And what evidence did you look at? Links please - not your opinion.

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Mar 7, 2020 12:51:52   #
saltwind78
 
Stared down Kim? Kim ate his lunch, and made him look like the fool he is. What did Trump get from this murdering dictator? He never gave up his nukes, and never will. He continues developing his ballistic missiles, and may soon be able to deliver a nuke to the continental US. Trump gave him what he wanted, recognition from us, and all the prestige that comes with it. Another such victory from the Donald, and might as well declare ourselves to be a client state of one of his murderous anti American buddies!

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Mar 7, 2020 14:00:03   #
American Vet
 
saltwind78 wrote:
Stared down Kim? Kim ate his lunch, and made him look like the fool he is. What did Trump get from this murdering dictator? He never gave up his nukes, and never will. He continues developing his ballistic missiles, and may soon be able to deliver a nuke to the continental US. Trump gave him what he wanted, recognition from us, and all the prestige that comes with it. Another such victory from the Donald, and might as well declare ourselves to be a client state of one of his murderous anti American buddies!
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What a crock. President Trump has made efforts to open the door to North Korea. It has to start somewhere. Kim continues to develop his weapons, but we need to continue to try and keep that door open.

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Mar 7, 2020 15:29:58   #
saltwind78
 
I am not a conservative. I wouldn't vote for one under most conditions, but I do respect conservatives that are men of honor. You mentioned a few. I have zero respect for Trump. As far as I can tell, he is a sexual predator, a serial adulterer, a pathological liar, a malignant narcissist, an admirer of murderous anti- American dictators, a draft dodger, an attacker of American democratic institutions, a xenophobic and isolationist racist, possibly a sociopath, and a con man. I never have felt this way about any former American President. The Republican Party has produced some of our greatest Presidents, but Trump is in my view, the worst.

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Mar 7, 2020 15:39:12   #
saltwind78
 
I can understand your view, and I agree with you to a point. Personality disorders are not good subjects for analysis. For the most part, they are diagnosed by their past behavior. The last therapist I heard from agrees with you. The six signs of sociopathic personality disorder is not meant as a diagnosis, but as a warning sign. your point is well taken. I take back my statement that he is a sociopath even though he shows every one of the six signs, and will say that he may be a sociopath.

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Mar 9, 2020 20:59:57   #
saltwind78
 
Not callus? How about separating children from their parents? He fired one guy a day or two before he would have been vested in a government pension. He fired Lt. Colonel Vindman because he testified about what he knew. He even fired Vindmans brother who had nothing to do with it. I think that qualifies as callous.

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Mar 9, 2020 21:12:24   #
saltwind78
 
American vet, I've been called a party hack by some people, but never a cultist. He doesn't have the right to expect people that work for him to be loyal to him. He appoints people to high office because they will be loyal to the constitution, not himself. He violates a hell of a lot of protocols and traditional values of the government. His Attorney General Barr is acts more like his personal lawyer, not the AG. If somebody on his staff says anything he doesn't like, he's gone. The list is long.

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Mar 9, 2020 21:26:59   #
American Vet
 
saltwind78 wrote:
Not callus? How about separating children from their parents? He fired one guy a day or two before he would have been vested in a government pension. He fired Lt. Colonel Vindman because he testified about what he knew. He even fired Vindmans brother who had nothing to do with it. I think that qualifies as callous.


Callous is posting things that aren't true.

Border patrol chief: Family separations began long before Trump
https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/401221-border-patrol-chief-family-separations-began-long-before-trump

***. You lie to investigators, you get fired. Perhaps McCabe should have thought about that before he was fired......
"In explaining the firing in April 2018, the Justice Department cited a "lack of candor" in McCabe's interviews with investigators looking into a 2016 media leak in the waning weeks of the presidential campaign."
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/08/693598382/ex-deputy-fbi-director-andrew-mccabe-sues-over-what-he-calls-wrongful-firing

*** Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman admitted he made up elements of President Donald Trump’s call with Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky in an official summary.
https://www.statedepartmentwatch.org/2019/11/20/breaking-alexander-vindman-admits-to-massive-lie-we-knew-it-all-along/

Vindman's brother was not fired......

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Mar 9, 2020 21:28:23   #
American Vet
 
saltwind78 wrote:
American vet, I've been called a party hack by some people, but never a cultist. He doesn't have the right to expect people that work for him to be loyal to him. He appoints people to high office because they will be loyal to the constitution, not himself. He violates a hell of a lot of protocols and traditional values of the government. His Attorney General Barr is acts more like his personal lawyer, not the AG. If somebody on his staff says anything he doesn't like, he's gone. The list is long.
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If you worked for me, and you said something I didn't like - you are gone. That's a boss's prerogative.

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